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    Warning, this is a bit of a whining post.

    I've been camming for just under two years. Started out on MFC and did okay, but moved over to Streamate pretty early on 'cause it was fucking fantastic in comparison, so here I am about a year and a half later and actually wanting to find a better site. I don't like where the site has gone with gold shows. I have never fully embraced it. I've stayed a private/exclusive girl and I have lots of regulars that appreciate that. I still do okay but it's just not like it was when I first started out.

    So I thought, maybe I should start trying to do the gold show thing. The past couple nights I've started countdowns and not reached my goal once. We're talking $1 per minute shows. I do NOT want any customers in my room who are not going to pay more than $1 a minute to see me naked, and with a $5 buy in guys were asking me to flash my tits/ass/pussy for their buy in. I'm just like what the fuck is going on here.

    And really I wanted to make this post, because it just blows my mind to see other ladies on here also saying things like "I'm thinking of leaving SM" as well.

    I'm sure ladies that have been in the business longer than me have seen this happen a lot but I'm just in disbelief that a site that was once so great for everyone has changed so much.

    Edit: Oh and on top of this all my placement has slipped on sm and I have no idea why. usually in the top three rows now I can't get out of the 5th. I thought maybe initiated the gold shows would help with that but didn't make a damn difference. Maybe tonight I'll be surprised... but I doubt it.

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    caming is not easy...
    u have to TRY HARD every minute your online...
    once you stop trying...you stop doing as good as you once did......
    thats bottom line.

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    You really have to experiment all the time and find your zone. I made more this past week in a shorter time by changing a few things. Sometimes the smallest things you change can boost your income a lot.

    You don't need to offer gold shows to make money. I rarely do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    caming is not easy...
    u have to TRY HARD every minute your online...
    once you stop trying...you stop doing as good as you once did......
    thats bottom line.
    I know what you're saying. That's the thing though you didn't have to try hard on Streamate back in the day.

    I work my ass off thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    You don't need to offer gold shows to make money. I rarely do.
    Yeah I feel like I just wasted time when I did countdowns last night. Could have been in private or exclusive.

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    if ur looking for a change or to make more money... then just go to a site that offers a way higher percentage and covert ur own traffic or pimp out ur cammodels link big time. it seems like it's getting stale for u so just think of ways for it to become more exciting. whether it's promoting/branding urself more and/or pick up a fetish u might be interested in trying to do. u seem kinda bored so just change it up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette25 View Post
    Warning, this is a bit of a whining post.

    I've been camming for just under two years. Started out on MFC and did okay, but moved over to Streamate pretty early on 'cause it was fucking fantastic in comparison, so here I am about a year and a half later and actually wanting to find a better site. I don't like where the site has gone with gold shows. I have never fully embraced it. I've stayed a private/exclusive girl and I have lots of regulars that appreciate that. I still do okay but it's just not like it was when I first started out.

    So I thought, maybe I should start trying to do the gold show thing. The past couple nights I've started countdowns and not reached my goal once. We're talking $1 per minute shows. I do NOT want any customers in my room who are not going to pay more than $1 a minute to see me naked, and with a $5 buy in guys were asking me to flash my tits/ass/pussy for their buy in. I'm just like what the fuck is going on here.

    And really I wanted to make this post, because it just blows my mind to see other ladies on here also saying things like "I'm thinking of leaving SM" as well.

    I'm sure ladies that have been in the business longer than me have seen this happen a lot but I'm just in disbelief that a site that was once so great for everyone has changed so much.

    Edit: Oh and on top of this all my placement has slipped on sm and I have no idea why. usually in the top three rows now I can't get out of the 5th. I thought maybe initiated the gold shows would help with that but didn't make a damn difference. Maybe tonight I'll be surprised... but I doubt it.
    As for placement here are a few suggestions:

    -upgrade your ram if you have anything less then 8 gig

    -fool around with your encoder settings (this option is obviously free and with the least amount of learning curve)

    -get the best camera money can buy. Do some research and don't just go with any webcam totted to be "the best". In fact stay away from webcams if at all possible. The only time I will use a webcam is if I am traveling, as my camera set ups are not exactly "pick up and go" friendly. Well unless I feel like traveling with the whole set up with stands and all, but that's not too likely seeing as hotel internet speeds are garbage. The best bang for your buck is with the Sony line of products. Even one of their basic Handycam models or heck even a Panasonic camcorder blows the fish out of the water!

    Even something like this http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...52921666415438 is great for webcamming and getting better placement.

    You will need an external capture device if you go with a camcorder option, which can be purchased for around $40 give or take.

    Trust me don't bother with gold shows. I personally cannot wait for the day SM gets rid of gold shows-there is an air of desperation on the site with girls constantly having to "remind" (ie beg) customers to pitch in and it does not look good at all. I refuse to partake in any begging so I quit doing that months ago. We cam girls are a luxury and certainly should not be seen begging for every cheap ass to come in to the show. Even if one is desperate (trust me I know the feeling), we should not be letting our customers seeing us like that.

    Oh and gold shows do nothing for placement. Absolutely nothing. When they first started offering gold shows, SM did include that in their placement algorithm, but now they don't. Or at least I think that is the case.




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    Streamate is not like it used to be. I've barely worked on it since mid-January when it started to crash. My placement dropped from like the second row to the second page because they use a new system to calculate placement now. Not sure what exactly.

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    well?? I am REALLY spoiled.. If you have only been doing cam since 2009.. You have no idea how EASY it used to be.. I never even had to try at all.. i spent a total of 5 mins in free chat at the most in one sitting.. I worked on several sites.. but NO matter what time of day it was I was guaranteed to make over 30 bucks an hour.. there was no over calculations for time of day, how much you charge, what you are wearing.. what you are willing to do etc etc.. I hope those days come back.. from my own personal experience it is on the up and up!!

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    Thanks for the input guys. I've applied for a couple additional sites. Luckily streamate isn't my only source of income but it's that weekly check and is usually the money that comes in all at once. I had a great night last night overall so it's put me back in good spirits. My placement went back to normal too thank god. I think a combination of things have poo pooed on my morale lately. I think at least trying the other sites even if they end up not being as good as streamate for me as well as making some changes to my cam area decor like I've been planning to do will keep me positive. And I ain't never trying gold shows again lol. At least I can say I tried!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous camgirl View Post
    well?? I am REALLY spoiled.. If you have only been doing cam since 2009.. You have no idea how EASY it used to be.. I never even had to try at all.. i spent a total of 5 mins in free chat at the most in one sitting.. I worked on several sites.. but NO matter what time of day it was I was guaranteed to make over 30 bucks an hour.. there was no over calculations for time of day, how much you charge, what you are wearing.. what you are willing to do etc etc.. I hope those days come back.. from my own personal experience it is on the up and up!!
    I know!!! I've heard about the good old days. Funny thing is back in like 03 I was getting on yahoo and showing my lady bits to guys on cam for free out of sheer curiosity and exhibitionism. Should have been capitalizing back then when it was such a piece of cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette25 View Post
    Warning, this is a bit of a whining post.

    I've been camming for just under two years. Started out on MFC and did okay, but moved over to Streamate pretty early on 'cause it was fucking fantastic in comparison, so here I am about a year and a half later and actually wanting to find a better site. I don't like where the site has gone with gold shows. I have never fully embraced it. I've stayed a private/exclusive girl and I have lots of regulars that appreciate that. I still do okay but it's just not like it was when I first started out.

    So I thought, maybe I should start trying to do the gold show thing. The past couple nights I've started countdowns and not reached my goal once. We're talking $1 per minute shows. I do NOT want any customers in my room who are not going to pay more than $1 a minute to see me naked, and with a $5 buy in guys were asking me to flash my tits/ass/pussy for their buy in. I'm just like what the fuck is going on here.

    And really I wanted to make this post, because it just blows my mind to see other ladies on here also saying things like "I'm thinking of leaving SM" as well.

    I'm sure ladies that have been in the business longer than me have seen this happen a lot but I'm just in disbelief that a site that was once so great for everyone has changed so much.

    Edit: Oh and on top of this all my placement has slipped on sm and I have no idea why. usually in the top three rows now I can't get out of the 5th. I thought maybe initiated the gold shows would help with that but didn't make a damn difference. Maybe tonight I'll be surprised... but I doubt it.
    I see posts like this all the time.

    Bad news: it's going to get MUCH worse. More and more girls with cams signing on, slicing up the same customer pie, just like what happened with the strip clubs.

    Unless you're willing to quit the industry like I did, I'm guessing you're going to have to adapt. The question is what the traffic will bear, and the more traffic there is (on the seller side), the more we're going to have to BARE to compete.

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    It isn't where it used to be a year ago, no. Sadly, I think those days are long gone. I used to sulk and whine and cry about it, but now I am accepting it and riding the wave. (However, I DO DEF believe that Streamate recently got a HUGE influx of cheapass troll traffic lately, it really shows in free chat. Holy ***, what loser asshats those guys have been in free chat! I almost have to laugh.)
    Anyway, trying new things is a must. I tweaked with and expiremented with different techniques, changed my style of camming a bit, and it certainly shows.
    We own a business, we gotsta keep things fresh!

    On a side note, and possibly totally unrelated to this thread, but I am seeing that LAME "freecamsexposed" baf ad on the side of TONS of porn sites lately. Oh joy. No wait, actually, that's cool. Bring those fuckers to MFC instead of Streamate. Lol

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    Frenchie it does seem to be getting more competitive and cheap but I refuse to go back on my principles as a cam girl and a woman. I can adapt without doing that. I am going to get out of the biz one day. Probably not ever completely but right now I depend on it 100% to live. I have a plan to get out. It consists of saving money first though lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPinkCupcake View Post
    It isn't where it used to be a year ago, no. Sadly, I think those days are long gone. I used to sulk and whine and cry about it, but now I am accepting it and riding the wave. (However, I DO DEF believe there is a huge influx of cheapass troll traffic, esp in sm free chat--REALLY changed for the WORST!)
    Anyway, trying new things is a must. I tweaked with and expiremented with different techniques, changed my style of camming a bit, and it certainly shows.
    We own a business, we gotsta keep things fresh!

    On a side note, and possibly totally unrelated to this thread, but I am seeing that LAME "freecamsexposed" baf ad on the side of TONS of porn sites lately. Oh joy.
    I haven't seen those ads are they previews of our privates or something? Someone told me they had changed up they're marketing and it seemed like it was in a way that got more freeloaders.

    ETA: Oh nevermind it's for MFC I can't read apparently
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    I just wish streamate would give their models the truth about why things have slowly been going to shit. sadly every time i write customer service i get the run around and they tell me revenue and traffic are going up.Maybe for them i dont see it.Because i have had to almost stop running gold shows because of low traffic and non paying customers and im always on the front page and top of my category so it isn't placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CassieHeart View Post
    I just wish streamate would give their models the truth about why things have slowly been going to shit. sadly every time i write customer service i get the run around and they tell me revenue and traffic are going up.Maybe for them i dont see it.Because i have had to almost stop running gold shows because of low traffic and non paying customers and im always on the front page and top of my category so it isn't placement.
    That would be admitting defeat and instilling fear. Companies will never do that. They'd rather blindside people by randomly declaring bankruptcy one day than telling them the truth.

    Technically their traffic (which is not exclusive with PAYING traffic) is going up. As for their revenue, only they know. But they could be telling the truth. What they fail to mention though is that tons of new girls sign up daily (therefore each girl could easily be making less on average due to spreading out paying traffic) and more girls = higher bandwidth costs (more that they have to pay out).

    They bought cheaper traffic. Or they failed to renew their paying traffic ad fees, and opted for advertising in new cheaper places... new places with customers that aren't spending. I suspect that is actually a disaster in disguise though, because if their revenue is going up like they say it is and they are paying for cheaper not-as-spendy traffic, they will continue to do so. Mean... trend-wise, individual girls with continue to have less and less paying traffic, yet Streamate will make more & more revenue by saving fees from expensive traffic and spreading out the paying traffic so each girl gets less. I wouldn't put it past Streamate to be that dumb TBH. They are only out to make the most amount of profit for THEMSELVES, not for each individual cam girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    caming is not easy...
    u have to TRY HARD every minute your online...
    once you stop trying...you stop doing as good as you once did......
    thats bottom line.
    Actually , I found reverse ecconomics to this - I tried very very very hard , every second I was online , and it paid off .... Now I don't need to try nearly as hard to bank double what I did back then :-) I think this applies to most businesses . The higher you climb the less effort needed to earn what you once worked your butt off for . That's not to say it's not positive to give everything you have , but there comes a time when it's nice to let your hard work pay off - while you take the benefits . If we all had to work like hell , every minute of being online , indefinitely - I think I would shoot myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy View Post
    Actually , I found reverse ecconomics to this - I tried very very very hard , every second I was online , and it paid off .... Now I don't need to try nearly as hard to bank double what I did back then :-) I think this applies to most businesses . The higher you climb the less effort needed to earn what you once worked your butt off for . That's not to say it's not positive to give everything you have , but there comes a time when it's nice to let your hard work pay off - while you take the benefits . If we all had to work like hell , every minute of being online , indefinitely - I think I would shoot myself
    That's a good point and I feel the same. I think I tried very hard for the entire first year even while I WASN'T on cam. So much that I hardly went outside lol. I don't have to do that constantly anymore. Especially not if it's because Stteamate is buying traffic of lesser quality.

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    Do you guys understand that this is a seasonal job?? just wondering.. it's hit or miss certain times of the year and the other parts of the year.. are So awesome you are on cloud nine and you think things cant get better than this... it has been that way for the whole 10 yrs i have been on cam.. things are picking up very soon.. just right around the corner.. and then they slow down a bit starting in October til spring.. that is your hit or miss season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette25 View Post
    . I think I tried very hard for the entire first year even while I WASN'T on cam. So much that I hardly went outside lol. I don't have to do that constantly anymore. Especially not if it's because Stteamate is buying traffic of lesser quality.
    everybody knows what their flaws are when they work..
    they dont work enough - seems thats # 1
    they dont tease/act nice enough - seems thats # 2...
    they dont try to upsell- i dont know what # this is.....
    they dont do this and that... or maybe they do it but not good enough... they dont change things up...
    whatever it is- you, anyone, knows what that is.
    So its up to you to do better.

    A particular site is buy traffic of a lesser quality?
    So how come top models ALWAYS have a room fuLL of paying members?
    How come all of a sudden when a certain someone jumps online, you either see tips like you never thought it was possible... or pledges non stop..... its the same traffic...so its gotta be that this particular someone is working the room better than you and me......and those who complain work is slow.....

    the problem "models who dont do good or as good as in the past"" have is.......they refuse to say to themselves " what I do is not good enough.. the way I do it is not good enough".....its like taking your ego and throwing it in the trash bin..
    But once they understand that this is an acting gig and not a " im being myself on cam".. it all becomes easier...or so it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous camgirl View Post
    Do you guys understand that this is a seasonal job?? just wondering.. it's hit or miss certain times of the year and the other parts of the year.. are So awesome you are on cloud nine and you think things cant get better than this... it has been that way for the whole 10 yrs i have been on cam.. things are picking up very soon.. just right around the corner.. and then they slow down a bit starting in October til spring.. that is your hit or miss season.
    seasonal for who? usually there's a lot of bitching about slow days in the summer on sw. october-december last year, i made more money than i ever have and my hourly average went up by $10-$25. there are traffic ups and downs for sure, but i haven't seen any time be consistently slow or fast for everyone.

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    That's great then that you don't notice.. that is not the case with myself or other cam girls... you are a lucky one.. I believe mostly because most of the disposable income is amongst the younger kids who are in college.. because it revolves pretty much around that.. Not saying you cannot make good money anytime of year.. just doubles and triples over the summer months for me every year... til college starts up again.. most other customers who of not college age has less disposable income.. and more responsibilities.. this is has always been my experience...

    So I am also guessing that none of you were affected by the recession?? since this is an international job.. but the majority of the clients are USA AND UK.. who experienced alot of turmoil.. .. or maybe it is that most of you just started cam a few years ago.. I am talking over a 10 yr span.

    I find that kinda shocking that it is not seasonal for you guys.. that's all me and the other cam girls ever talked about.. hmmm... you must be REALLY GOOD !!

    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    I was honestly shocked by this post, as this has definitely not been my experience of camming. Beyond my personal experience, however, how on earth could camming be 'seasonal'?? We engage with customers all over the world. When it's a holiday in the US, chances are it isn't one in Canada or Europe. When it's snowing in the UK it's warm in the US south. When it's summer in NA it is winter in Australia, etc, etc, etc.
    I keep careful track of my $$$$, and beyond a slight dip immediately after xmas/new years (which I plan for every year so I don't get stressed out) I have never noticed a seasonal pattern in camming.
    We operate internationally, so how could our jobs possibly be seasonally dependent?
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    Streamate is the only camsite where I can look extremely bored sitting there not doing anything in free chat, and make 100+ a day in privates. I don't really see why there is so much bitching about it. Instead of coming on here and whining, why don't you go on there and work. You'll make more money that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    everybody knows what their flaws are when they work..
    they dont work enough - seems thats # 1
    they dont tease/act nice enough - seems thats # 2...
    they dont try to upsell- i dont know what # this is.....
    they dont do this and that... or maybe they do it but not good enough... they dont change things up...
    whatever it is- you, anyone, knows what that is.
    So its up to you to do better.

    A particular site is buy traffic of a lesser quality?
    So how come top models ALWAYS have a room fuLL of paying members?
    How come all of a sudden when a certain someone jumps online, you either see tips like you never thought it was possible... or pledges non stop..... its the same traffic...so its gotta be that this particular someone is working the room better than you and me......and those who complain work is slow.....

    the problem models who dont do good is....they refuse to say to themselves " what I do is not good enough.. the way I do it is not good enough".....its like taking your ego and throwing it in the trash bin..
    But once they understand that this is an acting gig and not a " im being myself on cam".. it all becomes easier...or so it should.
    This might apply to new girls... but I know who Juliette is on cam and I don't think ^this^ is accurate at all. It's not like she's a new girl who doesn't realize you have to LOG ON to make money. Actually, her site is one of the first places I creep when *I* need some ideas for freshening up my work.

    I don't work SM any more, but I've noticed on MGF that there is no way I can use that as my main income any more (when I can't cam, I focus on mgf). Too many girls are undercutting the rest of us and giving everything away for $1. I think *that* is one of the main things that could have impacted incomes.


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