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    Skull Screening....

    I have a question about a possible arrangement from BP, if anyone who knows about screening can PM me, I'd be so grateful!

    (The preexisting threads I've searched here and elsewhere on screening didn't answer the question I have, and it's probably best if I don't discuss it here on the openly-accessible boards, which is why I'd rather discuss this via PM)

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    Default Re: Screening....

    Hello Libra, You can join websites like Verifyhim.com. Verifyhim.com is a great site for those in the escorting business. We have found child molesters, rapists, cops with this service alone. I, personally, would also recommend signing up for myhoneysuckle's free newsletters. Erin has a great screening guide on her website. Good luck.

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    Default Re: Screening....

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Hello Libra, You can join websites like Verifyhim.com. Verifyhim.com is a great site for those in the escorting business. We have found child molesters, rapists, cops with this service alone. I, personally, would also recommend signing up for myhoneysuckle's free newsletters. Erin has a great screening guide on her website. Good luck.

    Rose
    Thank you - I just applied for membership of that site and will hopefully be approved!!

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    Default Re: Screening....

    But since I haven't gotten any PMs, maybe I can just go ahead and lay out the situation here:

    In summary:
    Basically, I'm a little worried that this guy from Backpage could be LE. He's (supposedly) seeking an ongoing arrangement.

    Why he might be LE:
    * Requested face pic
    * Has MetroPCS as a phone carrier
    * When doing a reverse phone lookup, the name I got was just a first name and an initial of the last name
    * His cell phone, email and name listed on the email address, I can't find anything on via Google
    * He's posted the same ad over and over again on Backpage for at least a few months
    * Offer sounds too good to be true, making the above point very suspicious
    * He's soliciting at all - there's an escort section right there for his picking
    * Seemed a little pushy if I didn't respond to my emails promptly

    Why he might not be:
    * No mention of any illicit activity at all, specified that he was paying for time
    * Mentioned 18 and up...if he was LE, I'd imagine he'd be efficient and try to lure children and their traffickers as well as adult sex workers (unless LE is separating their hopeful targets via different ads)
    * Willing to travel across city lines (I heard that local LEs aren't permitted to do that)


    I'm new to the screening game, so I don't know whether these register as surefire red flags or not.

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    Once a guy gets pushy it's time to walk. He could not be LE and still be an asstwat, so just tell him that you wish him the best of luck and something came up that precludes you from accepting an arrangement with him at this time.
    Ungoogle yourself:


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    Default Re: Screening....

    Okay, a couple comments/questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by LibraSnake View Post
    Why he might be LE:
    * Requested face pic -
    Flag that hes either a pic collector or LE

    * Has MetroPCS as a phone carrier -
    Lots of guys use a prepaid phone to hobby

    * When doing a reverse phone lookup, the name I got was just a first name and an initial of the last name
    MetroPCS allows you to use any name you want to show up for caller ID

    * His cell phone, email and name listed on the email address, I can't find anything on via Google
    It happens...if he has no references, and nothing is coming up for him, then that is when I move onto employment verification

    * He's posted the same ad over and over again on Backpage for at least a few months
    You lost me, so he didnt reply your your ad, he posted ads on BP and you replied to him??? If so, red flag!

    * Offer sounds too good to be true, making the above point very suspicious
    Yeah, anything that sounds too good to be true usually is. So what is his offer?

    * He's soliciting at all - there's an escort section right there for his picking
    FLAG! I would not reply to someone elses ad period. I would see it as, he doesnt want to play by anyone elses rules, he wants to place an ad so that whoever answers it will have to play by his rules...and he will assume business is pretty bad if you have to answer mens ads, and use that to his advantage.

    * Seemed a little pushy if I didn't respond to my emails promptly
    This just wouldnt sit well with me if someone was annoyed with me for not replying promptly, especially if I in fact was. Sounds like a personality/control issue.

    Why he might not be:
    * No mention of any illicit activity at all, specified that he was paying for time
    Id need to hear more about his too good to be true offer before I could say anything about this...

    * Mentioned 18 and up...if he was LE, I'd imagine he'd be efficient and try to lure children and their traffickers as well as adult sex workers (unless LE is separating their hopeful targets via different ads) <----Fair enough assumption.

    * Willing to travel across city lines (I heard that local LEs aren't permitted to do that)
    How do you know hes across city lines? Because he said so? Make sure you do an email trace to see if a guy is actually located where he says he is.
    All in all though...My suggestion is dont reply to ads on Craigslist.
    That just screams danger danger, abort mission type situation.

    The fact he placed an ad really is the biggest red flag...theres just no way....
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    Sharpie did a great job summing that up - There are so many ladies to choose from in each city , unless he is looking for something unique (off the wall fetish) i would be leery of anyone posting ads- Always trust your instinct - i would rather be wrong with an empty hand than be wrong with a charge on my record

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    The way-too-good-to-be-true offer amounts to 800/hr.

    @BlkSharpie - I don't have any ads up myself, but I have been casually checking out the listings on BP for a while. I've never responded to them before now, but it's very suspicious that it takes so long to find someone who will accept $800/hr...

    And I know darn well what he meant in his ad, lol. But the fact that he wasn't incriminating in his wording adds a point in his favor.

    Yeah, according to phone trace, he's outside of city lines. But I'm sure a cheap prepaid can be picked up and registered anywhere, so maybe that's not even a sure bet.

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    For all you know there are girls who have responded to that ad, and hes busy collecting bodies in his basement somewhere.

    You know...a very long time ago, I saw this csi type show, not the scripted kind but something about a case that actually happened, where the guy placed an ad online, this girl answered it, he had her over, and then made a video of himself raping and beating her...then he told her to look into the camera and apologize to her kids for being a slut right before he killed her. Talk about disturbing...

    For some crazy reason...this guys ad has me thinking of that particular incident....
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    Girrrl - you just gave me chills - how horrific - Libra your instincts are correct - it does not take long to give greedy escorts $800.00 -is that rate higher than the norm in your area? just because he is careful with his post doesnt mean there are not other issues - run forest run

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    @BlkSharpie:

    O_O

    ...that does not make me a happy panda. You're right though, I do get a creepy vibe from him.

    I did meet one guy from BP before, but with him, I got only good vibes from him, and I was able to trace him successfully - and we've hit it off, I see him regularly now.

    But this current guy...I'm feeling iffy to the point that I'm not sure if I should even reply to him.


    @Nikki_Fox:

    It is MUCH higher. In San Fran, we have girls posting $80 specials. In fact, rates are almost never above $180/hr on Backpage. For everything...

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    Yeah...sorry to be so morbid, but I havnt thought about that case in a really long time, and this really did bring out that sort of creeps.

    You know, I wouldnt use backpage as an indicator, only cause I found out that there are guys who will post ads on there, with low ass rates, to try and get girls to compete and lower their own rates. Shaaady right?! Here in SoFla, we have a lot of those $80 specials, and rates around $100-150hr. NUTS! But of all the ladies I talk to, most of them charge at least $200, some slightly lower, some up to about $400. And when looking at eros, or even just ladies sites based here in SoFla, $200-400 is the going rate.

    But $800? Yeah, no way...there are ladies who charge that, but its not the norm. For a guy to offer above market price, Run Forest Run does sum it up pretty well
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    Now he's being VERY pushy about my lack of email response.

    I emailed him back and was honest - I had no way to verify that I wouldn't be placed in any sort of danger.

    If he's legit, he'll calmly ask what I need to verify him.

    If he's a psycho or LE, he'll get defensive about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibraSnake View Post
    Now he's being VERY pushy about my lack of email response.

    I emailed him back and was honest - I had no way to verify that I wouldn't be placed in any sort of danger.

    If he's legit, he'll calmly ask what I need to verify him.

    If he's a psycho or LE, he'll get defensive about it.
    I think you just need to trust your gut on this one. He just has too many flags. Guys on craigslist or BP usually aren't there because they're big spenders. I don't know what city you're in but in most cities he could go through a respected agency and still pay less than $800 an hour. So him offering so much upfront screams "be careful". I also don't do pushy men under any circumstances. Why would he even be pushy? he doesn't know you so it's not like he's attached. And at the rate he's offering, if you don't respond then it would be really easy to find someone else. I've said it before but I'm terribly over cautious with this line of work. I'm sure i've turned down some good guys but I don't care. I cannot go to jail and I do not want to end up in a creek somewhere.

    I wouldn't take the date but that's just me.

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    So, against my better judgment, I saw him.

    First, I got a feel of him on the phone - though he wasn't happy about the fact that I gave him my Google voice number.

    Before meeting, I clarified via email that I'd be meeting him "out of friendship" - and that anything that happened beyond that would simply be motivated by friendship - friendly acts (such as giving gifts, spending time, etc).

    With that, I figured that it'd be harder to charge me for anything even if there was an arrest.

    Then, I had him drive to a completely different city to meet me for coffee, since LE can't cross city lines unless they're Feds or in hot pursuit of someone who'd already committed a crime.

    So we met inside a mall, in a busy food court.

    His reasoning behind having to post an ad checked out, and he seemed normal, up until the end.

    "Next time" he wants to meet inside a public spa house, which is safer than getting in his car or going to his house.

    However, two red flags:
    - He wanted me to touch him inappropriately right there in public. Where there were grannies and little kids prancing around. I refused, he balked. In fact, he kind of tried to grab my hand, but I pulled back. Entrapment?

    - He wouldn't show me his ID. His reasoning being that cops would gladly show theirs, so what does it matter.

    Anyhow, I'm wondering if he could still be LE after all that? We chatted for over an hour, and part ways without a problem.

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    Please tell me you got paid for your time with him...?
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    I really never thought he was LE as much as a time waster weirdo. I hope you were carefull leaving that he didnt follow you. And as Sharpie said I hope you got paid. Old saying " Pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered." Not trying to say he is going to slaughter you - more in refernce to chasing that $800.00 - Dont let dollar signs override good judgement. Several seasoned ladies in here called it and you knew too or you would not have been questioning it so hard.Not trying to beat you up about it .

    And what he said about cops with fake id's is true.

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    Default Re: Screening....

    Some guys post ads on BP or back in the day on CL, trying to lure girls into a cheap hookup. They make promises, flash some cash around but aren't really planning on spending much of it on the girl. It's a game to them, to get attention and hopefully action on the cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Please tell me you got paid for your time with him...?
    Please, please, PLEASE tell me you got paid for being with him.

    I agree that he's not a cop, but that's not really the issue. He's the kind of guy that wants you to give him sexual favors in a mall food court with kids around.... what do you think he's going to try and do to you if he gets you alone??


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    ...no, I didn't get paid. I wasn't sure whether I was entitled to ask, since all we did was talk, and the agreement wasn't "on" at that point.

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    Yes. You are entitled to be paid for your time. That's the whole point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibraSnake View Post
    ...no, I didn't get paid. I wasn't sure whether I was entitled to ask, since all we did was talk, and the agreement wasn't "on" at that point.
    woooooooooow! dude you totally got ripped off.

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    So you spent hour(s) with a guy who wouldn't even show you his ID, spent your time and gas money driving to another city, and had him forcibly try to get you to grope him in public.... for free? Wow....


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    Just let this be a lesson. Always get paid for your time... That's what your rate is for... Time with you. Doesn't matter what goes on during that time. Hanging out with a guy for free is not good business... When you show up if a guy doesn't give you your rate within the first few minutes then its time to end the date.

    This guy took advantage of you... And with you feeling like your not entitled to get paid, that's not a good combination. You are "on" as soon as you greet a guy. Your presence *is* the agreement. Just remember that and don't let a guy get one over on you or disrespect you in public like that again.
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    Also - be mindful of your time spent on emails and the phone - a lot of guys will attempt to suck up your time with endless dialog -
    Please change your mindset - if you don't see the value of your time the clients never will - you are fabulous and you DESERVE to be paid -
    As Sharpie said - you are "on" at the greeting - I pretty much stick to a 5 minute collection rule - if they haven't paid by then I start for the door

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