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    Do you girls think a Petition would be a good idea to get some changes for us all on SM ?
    We could all put ideas out there and vote on the best ones.
    Then Put it all on paper sign it and send it to Sm, see how far it gets.
    I would like to see some changes that benefited us all not just the few chosen ones.
    Busygirl had a great idea about Min price for gold shows.

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    I can maybe see a petition for some small changes working but I definitely don't think it'll work to set a minimum on gold shows, or any pricing to be honest. I really don't mean to take the wind out of your sail and I hope I'm wrong I just dont think they have an incentive to change =( Unfortunately SM has gotten big to the point where our opinion means little to them. New sites like Xpeeps listen to our input because they need good new models. They have done a great job of listening so far and as a result lots of girls are signing on. With everything I've read over the years and the huge number of girls who message them including myself all the time asking for the most basic help, questions, and suggestions for improvements and they blow us off. I remember threads about girls trying to "boybott" SM with no luck. Bleh I have more to say but falling asleep sorry.

    With that being said..............
    This in no way at all is intended to be a mean post. I hope I'm wrong and if you feel its the right thing to do, do it. You never know what may happen till you try. I know when a lot of us collectively decided to up or prices I actually saw a small change in the prices of gold shows and per minute rates. Even non SW girls caught on to the trend and made the changes too. So it can go either way =)

    Best of luck giry!
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    Your probably rite Diamond SM has gotten to the point where they don't give a poop anymore about model input. When i write them the messages i get back are cold and never helpful.
    Its like i get the run around every time like im talking to a Bot.
    I wonder if they have a rep on here listening?

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    Streamate won't do anything about it. They are making more profit than ever (according to them) although models in general are probably each making less. The only person that can change the company is the owner, and if they are legally covered and making more $ then ever, things aren't going to change. If that method worked, no girls would be doing public shows on MFC.

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    As discussed in many other threads, StreaMates faces a situation where their current internet backbone connection capacity, their current server 'farm' capacity etc. are already 'maxxed out'. Thus any REAL improvement in SM technical performance or total number of customers would cost SM literally millions of dollars in additional investment ... which is NOT going to happen.

    While there is no way to prove this, it would appear from 'reading between the lines' that SM is subtly encouraging 'low paid sales conversion rate' camgirls to simply give it up. From the standpoint of a SM owner / manager, this makes absolute economic sense because the costs to SM of providing a 'free' video stream to a marginal camgirl, versus providing a 'paid' video stream to a top rated camgirl, are actually the same - but the marginal camgirl provides far less in the way of paid sales 'revenue' percentage back to SM than a top rated camgirl does to cover SM's actual operating costs associated with providing bandwidth and server capacity.

    Before rocking SM's 'boat' too severely, it might be worthwhile to keep in mind that, from an overall SM financial standpoint, 'the few chosen ones' are not only providing SM with a disproportionately high amount of paid sales revenues = SM income, but they may also be subsidizing outright financial losses created by marginal camgirls whose paid sales conversion rates are lower than the point required for SM to 'break even' versus the costs incurred by SM to provide their 'free' video streams. And with HD significantly increasing SM's bandwidth costs per camgirl, the 'break even' point is pushed even higher where marginal camgirls operating in HD is concerned.

    If a sustained poor economy continues to keep webcam customer spending levels down, the potential net loss created by marginal camgirls whose 'free' video streams create more costs to SM than their paid sales revenue share 'pays back', the 'problem' of webcam hosts losing money by allowing marginal camgirls to remain in operation will have to be actively addressed. One webcam host has already taken action in this regard, via instituting 'tiered' percentage payouts based on the actual level of individual camgirl paid sales revenue that was generated during a particular time period. So far, SM appears to be addressing this problem passively.
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    I;d sign it....
    Im all for positive change..

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    I don't mean to sound so harsh why do you think they care about the models?? THEY DON'T!... sorry to tell you this but they only change things to improve their bottom line.. they cater to the customer not the host.. I don't care if you are the top earner... there will be a new one tommorrow.. this is NOT an employer..

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    Just listen to yourself girls, so full of negativity, no wonder they treat us the way they do. And if a Streamate representative reads this thread i'm ashamed of what they see, because it's exactly what they want to see: Obeying, sheep mentality people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    Just listen to yourself girls, so full of negativity, no wonder they treat us the way they do. And if a Streamate representative reads this thread i'm ashamed of what they see, because it's exactly what they want to see: Obeying, sheep mentality people.
    i've read this message several times and i still can't make any sense out of it.

    streamate doesn't care about individual models (unless they are bringing in a LOT of money). i don't understand what's 'obeying' or 'sheep mentality' about pointing that out, and i'm not ashamed to point it out - it's the truth. whether you think that's good, bad, or indifferent, it's a fact. the one positive thing they have done for models is to hire vanessa, and contacting her is much better than regular support, but i can't even get a response from her after multiple emails on some issues. their model support is usually not helpful at all. their current business model involves recording and selling our shows without our consent and without us making any money off of it whatsoever, and they have one of the lowest payouts in the industry for paid chat. that's also a fact.

    to the op - i don't think a petition would do anything, to be honest. their business model is obviously working for them, and their business model does not include significant changes for our benefit, unless there's a lot of money in it for them.

    i'm grateful to be able to work on streamate, and i make most of my money on streamate and cams, both of which have low payouts, ruthless business practices, and don't seem to care much about their models. but that's the truth, as is the fact that i'm completely and totally replaceable to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    Just listen to yourself girls, so full of negativity, no wonder they treat us the way they do. And if a Streamate representative reads this thread i'm ashamed of what they see, because it's exactly what they want to see: Obeying, sheep mentality people.
    No its factual. There what? Like hundreds of thousands of models on there? And SW is less than 1% I'm sure. They AREN'T our employer. They don't owe us anything. They won't change their business plan for us. Especially when they claim they are making more money. Its a numbers game for them. Just like any business.

    Do you think WE would listen to a suggestion that 1% of our customers told us to do when we are making MORE money doing things the way its already being done? No, we would not. Its a business that we do not control. In fact, we don't even have the contact info of those who create the rules anyway, and why would they listen to the 1% when I'm sure the developer has years of experience, a lot of power, and knows what they're doing. Its a lost cause.

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    I do have to say!! that since i found this site i think i started making less money...LOL.. while informative.. i started feeling bad because I see that the girls go through the same struggles.. but instead of bucking up.. i let it effect my performance.. as if we are team.. when in fact we are not... sad but true.. i wish we were a team.. only here we are.. I just don't know!...

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    Tiny and glamour are you employed to defend streamate practises, because you sure talk like them. While i understand all you are saying and makes sense,
    i think this thread it's a good place for cam girls to express, what changes they might need in order to be more productive in a more pleasant work environment, without you coming here and saying how streamate it's the all mighty. So what would you change?

    I agree however, a petition will not work, because a camgirl is a rare kind of slave. I would slap you for a reality check if you tell me you are your own boss, while working with a business partner who does all the rules and you just obey.

    Changes that would make me happy:

    No more 30 seconds free. I'm pretty sure the company knows about the abuse going on.

    Ban guests, members by IP, not user name. This is an important security treat to the cam girl who tries to maintain their anonymity and security.

    45 % payout percentage. This lives room for the middle man and streamate to be fairly compensated. (who's genuinely happy for a 5 dollar tip anymore? 35% payout percentage only made the prices to be set higher than majority of camsites, thank god, so we still get some income after the cut, but i'm pretty sure lots would work for 25% too.)

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    I think the blocking issue is doable. Definitely don't see a percentage increase ever. Why would they pay the girls more when they already have a surplus of girls waiting in the wings to join SM and the top girls are content as is?

    I admire you enthusiasm busy girl and its apparent drastic changes are needed but some just don't make sense on SM's end =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    Tiny and glamour are you employed to defend streamate practises, because you sure talk like them. While i understand all you are saying and makes sense,
    i think this thread it's a good place for cam girls to express, what changes they might need in order to be more productive in a more pleasant work environment, without you coming here and saying how streamate it's the all mighty. So what would you change?

    I agree however, a petition will not work, because a camgirl is a rare kind of slave. I would slap you for a reality check if you tell me you are your own boss, while working with a business partner who does all the rules and you just obey.

    Changes that would make me happy:

    No more 30 seconds free. I'm pretty sure the company knows about the abuse going on.

    Ban guests, members by IP, not user name. This is an important security treat to the cam girl who tries to maintain their anonymity and security.

    45 % payout percentage. This lives room for the middle man and streamate to be fairly compensated. (who's genuinely happy for a 5 dollar tip anymore? 35% payout percentage only made the prices to be set higher than majority of camsites, thank god, so we still get some income after the cut, but i'm pretty sure lots would work for 25% too.)
    People have asked Streamate (and other cam sites) for stuff repeatedly and they NEVER do it. Why? Because why fix what's not broken? Especially they THEIR profit's are reportedly on the increase. And talking about all the things we *would* change is pointless because they WON'T change. How about we focus on how we can make more money given the system we are dealt?

    I am my own boss. I am an independent contractor. I don't only work on Streamate. In fact, I barely work on Streamate. And if I didn't like it, I would terminate my contract. I signed and sent a contract knowing the terms. I mean, if that's the logic you're going to use, then is someone who owns a restaurant not really their own boss because they have to pay rent every month for the lease they have on their building/restaurant just because the "rules" state that it needs to be paid every month in full by the 1st of the month? Rules happen. We live in a society dependent on rules for EVERYTHING. The western world in particular is obsessed with them, and obsessed with classifying things into smaller and smaller subgenres unlike the indigenous Native American who were/are the complete opposite. Rules happen. Its our society. Pick and choose which ones you want to break, but I advise not to break ones where your income stream will be shut off.

    Good luck, but its just not going to happen. They don't care about the cam girls. They are greedy business people only in it for the money. And not getting legally in trouble. There are hundreds of girls that would take the spot of the one girl quitting over not liking a rule. If you don't like the rules, don't work there.

    I'm not discouraging people from doing this (it is a good idea but not realistic at all), but just know that you're wasting your time and time is money. I mean, if I was a business owner for years and some random person came to me and was like "look, this is how you SHOULD be running your site: blah blah blah" I'd smile, agree, say I'll look into it, and then when they leave I'd talk about how crazy they are because they absolutely no experience running a business like mine so why would I ever take their advice? Especially if my profits are on the INCREASE? I'd probably find it strikingly hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    Tiny and glamour are you employed to defend streamate practises, because you sure talk like them. While i understand all you are saying and makes sense,
    i think this thread it's a good place for cam girls to express, what changes they might need in order to be more productive in a more pleasant work environment, without you coming here and saying how streamate it's the all mighty. So what would you change?
    i'd change the same things you would, but streamate is never going to do that except on their own timeline if they think it will up their profits, so in order to get those things realistically, i would have to work on another site. that's the reality. and if i were paid to defend streamate's business practices, i would definitely not be wasting my time camming

    I agree however, a petition will not work, because a camgirl is a rare kind of slave. I would slap you for a reality check if you tell me you are your own boss, while working with a business partner who does all the rules and you just obey.
    streamate is not my business partner. i am an independent contractor. that means that they do not have to do anything but honor their contract with me. it also means they don't have to provide me with any benefits whatsoever. that is what it means to be an independent contractor in any industry, but it's worse in the sex industry because we are infinitely replaceable.

    if i were streamate's employee, i might have a leg to stand on (in terms of demanding changes). if i were actually their business partner, i would have a leg to stand on. but i'm not. i'm an independent contractor. no camsite functions with girls as employees or business partners because that would require much more regulation and it would cut into their bottom line.

    Changes that would make me happy:

    No more 30 seconds free. I'm pretty sure the company knows about the abuse going on.

    Ban guests, members by IP, not user name. This is an important security treat to the cam girl who tries to maintain their anonymity and security.

    45 % payout percentage. This lives room for the middle man and streamate to be fairly compensated. (who's genuinely happy for a 5 dollar tip anymore? 35% payout percentage only made the prices to be set higher than majority of camsites, thank god, so we still get some income after the cut, but i'm pretty sure lots would work for 25% too.)
    that's nice to know. but streamate doesn't care. i don't understand what is so wrong with pointing that out. after reading your second post, i still don't understand what is so wrong with pointing that out, or why anyone would be ashamed for streamate to read this thread.

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    i have to say Im shocked to see how many other models say they'd pretty much not sign up.. or could care less..
    I do agree with Busygirl. Thats exactly what the sites count of... this " whatever" behavior.
    there is no harm in trying , yet so many say they would not try?
    ok then...wow.
    .. write it up, Cassie, Ill sign it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    i have to say Im shocked to see how many other models say they'd pretty much not sign up.. or could care less..
    I do agree with Busygirl. Thats exactly what the sites count of... this " whatever" behavior.
    there is no harm in trying , yet so many say they would not try?
    ok then...wow.
    .. write it up, Cassie, Ill sign it!
    That's not the issue. The issue is that many people already tried to get various things changed on cam sites a million times and even Streamate has replied back (more than once!) saying "our traffic has increased!" "our revenue is only increasing!" They're either telling the truth and they don't care or they're lying because they don't care. There's no harm in trying, but its wasted effort and its been tried a million times before.



    They've answered these questions/inquiries a million times! Here, I'll even tell you the exact answers they've given. I mean seriously guys, if you're going to petition or write back weird refutes, at least take the time to read StripperWeb where Streamate's exact answers to these questions have been posted. Seriously:

    "No more 30 seconds free. I'm pretty sure the company knows about the abuse going on."
    - Credit card companies REQUIRE this. It is out of Streamate's control unless you don't want Streamate to accept credit card payments for customers (which means you will make NO money).

    "Ban guests, members by IP, not user name. This is an important security treat to the cam girl who tries to maintain their anonymity and security."
    - What about roommates that share a computer? Multiple family members with accounts? Doesn't work. Plus, some men log on at work, travel frequently, etc anyway.

    "45 % payout percentage. This lives room for the middle man and streamate to be fairly compensated. (who's genuinely happy for a 5 dollar tip anymore? 35% payout percentage only made the prices to be set higher than majority of camsites, thank god, so we still get some income after the cut, but i'm pretty sure lots would work for 25% too.)"
    - They CANNOT offer a higher payout percentage. That's why they have an affiliate program where you can get close to 100%. Its one or the other. Affiliate program or higher payouts. And the affiliate program is working fine. MoneyTree is a great program. As is the Cammodels link model revshare program.

    All of this has come straight from Streamate's mouth and posted on here several times (yes, recently).

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    I think it is a very noble idea - but as my mom always say "save your breath to cool your soup" There is no motive on SM's end to impliment any changes. They are making money - new models continue to sign up under the existing conditions - what reason do they have to change? Do I like the pay out - no - do I like having vid's sold with no payout to me - no - do I have to sign on there - no . I know the trade off for all the above is steady traffic / no chargebacks / timely payout - we each have to decide if the positive outweighs the negative - unfortunately SM holds all the cards - that is just the way it is.

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    I think the only way something like this could work is if you got ALL the top models and they all threatened to leave at once. Then again, SM would probably just say screw it, we will find 50 more ex porn stars or super hot chicks to replace you tomorrow.

    So yeah.

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    I don't mean to sound so harsh why do you think they care about the models?? THEY DON'T!... sorry to tell you this but they only change things to improve their bottom line.. they cater to the customer not the host.. I don't care if you are the top earner... there will be a new one tommorrow.. this is NOT an employer..
    I am also starting to see this side of Streamate, almost an exact mirror of Ifriends who at one time was the untouchable tyranny of the industry. History is very likely to repeat itself as we watch Streamate step up and fill their shoes.

    Once the top models start moving off the site, they ARE NOT replaceable and neither are the high level of viewers they take with them. It's NOT as easy to replenish as you may think. Ask Ifriends. They went from being the top site everyone wanted to be a part of to the low life leapers no one wants anything to do with, they are now. If I had a dime for as many times as I saw performers warn Ifriends their site was nothing without the girls, quit mistreating the girls, quit favoring girls who don't deserve to be favored, quit hiding girls that should be on the front page but aren't------ They didn't listen.

    The question is, who do WE want to be the next big site?

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    I like the idea of some changes, but as has been pointed out, a lot of the changes that everyone would want would be impossible - or at least, incredibly unlikely! Like higher percentages...

    And for the smaller stuff, like gold show minimums and things, I actually WOULDN"T want that in place. I like the way streamamte works, for the most part - which I why I work on streamate!! There are so many other sites that we can work on, that I feel like if you don't like things, you can just move.

    I wouldn't want people logged in by IP address - I like having names, especially when you can tell from the name what the fetish is. And as has been pointed out, multiple people can share an IP address.

    And the 30 secs free makes sense to me, from a customer standpoint. If you are going from free into pvt, then you don't get your junk out for the first 30 secs, and after that, if I'm already getting paid and someone comes in and out, well, I don't really care. I always assume that what I do is recorded and plastered all over the web for free anyway. As a customer, I would like to have a free preview, so I'm fine with it.

    All in all, I LIKE streamate. If I didn't, I wouldn't work there. The one thing that I would like to see is offline tips, but I actually mentioned that to one of the streamate guys and they said I should suggest it. Honestly, I've actually had really awesome support and responses from them. Guess I'm a lucky one.
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    My petition for change is one that would impact our incomes in such a drastic way it's unfathomable. STOP GIVING AWAY FREE SHIT!!

    Example: Camgirl starts her gold show countdown for a whopping total of $30. Buy in is 3 gold. In 17 minutes NOT one of the 40 guys in her chat room made a contribution of $3 BUT one of the guys said, "take your top off". What does she do? She takes her top off, starts shaking her tits, tugs her nipples and the clock runs out. Goal met = $0. Her chat room clears. On to the next free show they go.

    Example: Suzy Top Left Corner logs on. She already has her top off, bending over and showing how pendulous they are. A guy asks is she shaved? She pulls her panties down to reveal half of her pussy, covers her mouth and says "oops I can get banned for that, let me show you my toe polish!".

    Example: Miss Columbia on page 7 with her lotion soaked sheer panties has her pussy zoomed in, fingers in and out of her panties and pulling the panties aside every few minutes.

    Example: Bubblegum Blonde with big fake tits straddling her bed simulating sex, turning around to show her ass, asshole 100% visible as she spreads her cheeks and says come ass fuck
    me.

    Example: Camgirl A just bought Camgirl B's show for ideas. Camgirl A starts using the strip, tease and dance moves she watched camgirl B do IN HER PAID SHOW and starts using everything she saw Camgirl B do. Camgirl A does it in free chat without her top on because she has this belief the more she shows the more people will buy her countdown.

    Um yeah, this is not helping us earn revenue.

    What do I petition? Stop the free smoking shows. Stop the free foot shows. Stop the free tit shows. Stop the free ass shows. Stop the free strip tease shows.

    How angry does this concept make certain girls who say "it will never happen" but how happy are those same camgirls when they log into the site when all the free tease bitches aren't on and their income doubles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    i am also starting to see this side of streamate, almost an exact mirror of ifriends who at one time was the untouchable tyranny of the industry. History is very likely to repeat itself as we watch streamate step up and fill their shoes.

    Once the top models start moving off the site, they are not replaceable and neither are the high level of viewers they take with them. It's not as easy to replenish as you may think. Ask ifriends. They went from being the top site everyone wanted to be a part of to the low life leapers no one wants anything to do with, they are now. If i had a dime for as many times as i saw performers warn ifriends their site was nothing without the girls, quit mistreating the girls, quit favoring girls who don't deserve to be favored, quit hiding girls that should be on the front page but aren't------ they didn't listen.

    The question is, who do we want to be the next big site?

    yes, this is what we want to hear!

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    Yea I remember when Ifriends was #1 as a matter of fact the was the first site i ever knew about.. Same with them, one day SM will fall.. and there will be another site to take it's place...Imlive used to be the top site to.. don't know about anymore now though.

    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    I am also starting to see this side of Streamate, almost an exact mirror of Ifriends who at one time was the untouchable tyranny of the industry. History is very likely to repeat itself as we watch Streamate step up and fill their shoes.

    Once the top models start moving off the site, they ARE NOT replaceable and neither are the high level of viewers they take with them. It's NOT as easy to replenish as you may think. Ask Ifriends. They went from being the top site everyone wanted to be a part of to the low life leapers no one wants anything to do with, they are now. If I had a dime for as many times as I saw performers warn Ifriends their site was nothing without the girls, quit mistreating the girls, quit favoring girls who don't deserve to be favored, quit hiding girls that should be on the front page but aren't------ They didn't listen.

    The question is, who do WE want to be the next big site?

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    I also don't get the whole 640X480 and 320X240 thing. Not only is it a waste of bandwidth but it doesn't exactly make the guys strain for it as much as we do when we are doing c2c in private. Our free chat should make them STRAIN to view. OK, certain girls are very poor business wise so lets make the decision for them. Crop free video down to the size we see in c2c and it wont matter if someone is breaking the rules or not. Those guys will have to either squint and ruin their eyesight trying to see a pussy the size of a pin prick or they can pay the fee and join the show at full video size.

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