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    Does anyone know a link where I can find legal information pertaining to what is allowed in clubs? This one guy is my reg, and he spends quite a bit on me. He likes to jerk off under his pants and coat (his clothes stay on and I do not see his parts.) I was told that this isn't allowed, even though im technically doing less than what id normally do in a room/lapdance...since he is doing all of the work.

    However, my mngr said if I go in a room WITHOUT a camera, I would be ok. I am guessing this is their way of making more $ off of me...:/

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    good starting point is to check the 'fine print' of your state's prostitution laws. In many states, a dancer receiving money from a customer in exchange for ( self-service or otherwise ) sexual activity could be considered an act of prostitution.

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    Check your state's compiled laws, which should be available with a simple Google search. For example "Michigan Compiled Laws".

    Then search for terms like:
    "Prostitution"
    "Lewd"
    "Obscene"
    "Sexual"

    They should also have a state "penal code" that you can search for, (example: Michigan Penal Code), which tells you what the penalties are for violating these laws.

    To take a step further you need to look at the city or county ordinance. Typically each city has ordinances governing what is defined as prostitution or lewd conduct. For example, in Detroit touching is illegal and there is a "6 feet" rule (rarely adhered to), but in other cities there is no "6 feet rule". BUT the Michigan law states that simulating sexual activity or groping of a sexual area (breast, buttock) in public (money is not mentioned) is lewd conduct. So it's not technically prostitution, but rather lewd conduct. You will need to contact the county clerk for this. You could call the police department too, they will tell you about laws regarding dance cards and general questions you have, but their "advice" should be verified.

    So you have to decide what rules you are willing to push.

    Most police departments won't raid a place over girls allowing some titty fondling, but dick sucking right before a mayor's re-election campaign is good shit for his "look" and you'll find yourself in a world of shit.

    Lastly, consider the club's rules. These should be outlined to you either as "we do not allow X" or "we allow X, but not X" or "do what you are comfortable with/don't do anything that makes you uncomfortable".
    If you are willing to do for one year what other's won't, you can spend a lifetime doing what other's cant.


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    Yup, in most places the bottom line is that the 'business as usual' activities going on in strip club private rooms ... and sometimes onstage and/or in the club's 'public' areas ... are technically considered to be sexually related misdemeanor crimes. So working as an exotic dancer now always involves some element of legal risk. And this is arguably just as true for a 'clean' dancer who chooses not to personally participate ... since in the typical club bust 'sweep' scenario she'll be charged first and given the opportunity to 'prove her innocence' later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    It depends on your city and whether or not they do raids. My city is strictly hands off with strip clubs so even though this would technically be against the law, we know we are all safe from LE. My club openly allows this (though I don't choose to do it) and the rest of the clubs turn a blind eye to whatever happens behind the curtain of rooms without cameras (every club here besides mine has them). It sounds like your club has the same attitude and wants to remove itself from any liability. If you allow this with your one regular only and do it in the room without cameras, then you should be pretty safe, even of your city does have occasional raids.
    SF is hands off? I've found some of the highest contact clubs are here, and even the nice club or too allows anything but the clothing touched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    1st, if you're not comfortable with customers touching you then you don't have to let them, even if the club allows it. I'm a very low contact dancer.

    2nd, I was referring to law enforcement not raiding the clubs left and right even though there is blatant prostitution going on in every single one. But then again I just heard today through the grapevine that MB got raided a few weeks ago though since I can't find a news article about it I doubt it was a big deal.
    I know I don't have to do high contact dances. I just thought you were saying contact in sf is illegal, which I didn't know and I've been working here since September so that freaked me out a little but because I usually do offer medium contact if a guy is spending a good amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    lol k, just making sure. I've seen so many girls complain about the contact here and its like...dude. you don't have to do it. I've worked at basically every club in SF and I've been low contact in all of them and I've never noticed a difference in the amount of contact by other girls. Actually, I was really surprised when I made a move from a really "dirty" club to a really "clean" club because all of the "dirty" girls I worked with did air dances for $40 whereas the "clean" girls were humping away for $20. Lol. I just do my thing and ignore them. Yah contact is definitely not illegal but I'm not sure where the technical line between legal and illegal is because the police don't care about the clubs. Idk what club you are at but I'm guessing you see cops chilling with the managers from time to time...we really don't have to worry about police presence because they are paid off so well.

    But I am extremely disturbed about the MB raid so I am definitely going to watch my mouth when talking to guys and you should too. I'm very clean but of course part of the game is that a portion of your customers are going to be thinking that they are getting "extra" in part from the amount of winks and giggles when we talk about the private rooms so I think it would be best to just walk away from any guys that try to get info about the CR/VIPs out of you. I've worked with a lot of girls who have said that there have been raids in LV where girls got arrested for saying things like "wanna have some fun with me?" and I would hate for a clean girl to get arrested here for some dumb publicity reason when there is blatant prostitution going on in every single club.

    I was at roaring 20's for a while because I didn't have a social and they didn't care and basically most of the girls were pretty honest about the extras. I just left a few weeks ago for hustlers after taking a bit of a break. Pretty much any time a guy implies he wants more I flat out leave them where they are. You know the type of guys that are like yeah well that's a lot just for a dance... Which is always the Indian and Asian guys at least with me.

    Thanks for the heads up. Which one is mb? O farrels right? I've never been in there but I heard it was pretty bad. But I pass by that freaking whale mural every day. O.o

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Yah Mitchell Brothers. It's a flat out brothel there but the girls do really well so I say more power to them. I'd hate for them to get shut down.

    I've never had a social and none of the clubs I've worked at or inquired at (I think 6-7?) cared. Every one of them has accepted a passport. So don't let that stop you from auditioning at a club. At Hustler it's pretty easy to take their money and laugh after because everything is so open there. "Really, you thought you were going to get a bj when there's a bouncer 6 feet away? well that was stupid of you, wasn't it?!" Most guys want to be sold on the idea of spending more than $20 and usually all you have to do is bat your eyes and tell him "of course you get a lot more back there." I rarely had guys argue after handing over their money that I had lied to them.

    Btw I love 20s. It's such a pretty little club.

    I don't want them to get shut down either, and deja vu to have a complete monopoly. I've always been asked for my social. I auditioned at new century and they hired me but not until I had my social but I never went back, I hate sharing stages. I don't have a passport though, just an ID. I have had guys argue with me at 20's, during a VIP one argued he wanted his money back since he didn't want to spend 250 for just dances blah blah blah and this asian guy got pissed because I wouldn't let him play with my nipple piercings.

    20's is so adorable, I love the decorations, but I stayed away from the VIP after the DJ fucked this girl in the ass there. I just did my VIPs in the regular rooms.

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    In most state public masturbation is not legal.

    Yes I understand dancers do extras. You need to maintain control of your customers.

    I have heard the private room trick from managers before.

    But I mean if you're going to allow a customer to do this why not consider being an independent where you can charge by the hour?

    It's kind of a rule of mine that customers aren't supposed to get off because they stop spending money.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    . Idk what club you are at but I'm guessing you see cops chilling with the managers from time to time...we really don't have to worry about police presence because they are paid off so well.

    But I am extremely disturbed about the MB raid so I am definitely going to watch my mouth when talking to guys and you should too. I'm very clean but of course part of the game is that a portion of your customers are going to be thinking that they are getting "extra" in part from the amount of winks and giggles when we talk about the private rooms so I think it would be best to just walk away from any guys that try to get info about the CR/VIPs out of you. I've worked with a lot of girls who have said that there have been raids in LV where girls got arrested for saying things like "wanna have some fun with me?" and I would hate for a clean girl to get arrested here for some dumb publicity reason when there is blatant prostitution going on in every single club.
    This is soooo true. I'm pretty certain that a lot of the clubs here have deals with the cops too...cause I've seen tons of shaaady shit going on way out in the open and no one does jack shit about it and I've never seen cops in the clubs around here. Totally different story in ottawa, the cops are always checking in on the clubs, one of the cleanest clubs I ever worked at had a routine police check-in almost every weekend. As a law abiding citizen I've thought about bringing the issue up with the police, because I honestly think that the lack of policing is a huge contributing factor as to why the clubs in toronto are so god damn disgusting.

    OP, if you mention your location someone might be able to point you towards more detailed information. What you're talking about doing is definitely borderline illegal, as in if it is legal, I think with a really determined cop you could still get into trouble...also: stds. I know it would be a really rare instance but...if the guy is jacking off and then touching you...enh I dunno but this is where I personally would draw the line. Getting caught with a customer with their pants off/partially off puts you in a pretty compromising position. Also the thing with no camera is also shady...if you are caught there is no actual proof that you WEREN'T sucking dick. Which is what it is going to look like if you're caught in VIP with a guy with his pants off, then it would come down to policeman vs stripper...who do you think is gonna win that one? Honestly, if you really think this is neccessay (I get that you want to be accomodating of this guy, you mentioned he spends a lot), keep doing it in the room with the camera. Make sure your customer is very discreet about it (under the coat and in the pants like you said) so that the cameras can't catch it. That way if you are caught, at least you have proof you weren't actually doing a sexual act. And your customer being discreet like that should also give you plausible deniability I think...as in you could hypothetically pretend you had no idea what he was doing--he could have stuck his hand down there while your back was turned. I know a lot worse and more incriminating things have happened to me at work while my back has been turned.

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    ^^^ umm, while it would never be admitted publicly, in certain locations the club owners do make generous 'contributions' to the local police 'widows' and orphan's fund', as well as to he the political campaigns of local DA's, Sherriffs, and politicians. However, where 10 years ago such 'contributions' were more or less guaranteed to result in quid pro quo for those clubowners, today there is an increasing problem of outside pressures causing local DA's, Sherriffs, politicians to no longer 'stay bought' ! This is a by-product of increased federal and state LE ties to local LE ( result of post 9/11 changes ), as well as a reduced ability of local mainstream media to effectively 'bury' inconvenient news stories ( result of internet media ).

    At any rate, today's situation is such that, for a club that has managed to avoid being busted for years thanks to strategic clubowner 'contributions', outside pressures could now result in a club bust happening tomorrow !!! And this is especially true during election years !!!

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