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    OK, ladies, maybe I shouldn't be posting this in a blog that so ...public...but fuck it.
    I work for a few different camsites and one of them in particular...is turning out to be more work than it's worth. And by that I mean they have a lot of minimum requirements, yet the traffic is horrible. I make next to nothing on this site except from one regular I have. When I DO catch him he'll drop over 300 on me in one sitting, but this only happens maybe once a month or so, not even.
    My concern is more that I've been hearing quitting horror stories around here, aka camsites holding onto funds for longer than they need to and having to make demands/harass to get money...
    Bah. Thoughts?

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    I don't know about the other girls but I work on SM and I always receive my payment every week. Whenever I needed something, they were always polite and give me what I need. I feel like at times people are making life harder than it should be.
    If you're going through that much pain and distress, I would find another site that better fits your needs.
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    well i have found other sites..that why I want to quit this one site in question...ugh. I'm just putting it off because I don't want to deal with the drama that will surely ensue....=x

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    All the camsites are businesses and I assume but Im not sure that they must have some sort of business liscence to operate. Maybe try the Better Business Bureau? you can search to see if the camsite is listed with them and if it is then you have an outlet in case they decide to give you a hard time. im not sure but maybe its worth checking out? hope this helps take care xoxo

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    You have to "quit" the site? I guess I'm confused. Can't you just sign up with a new site, and while you're waiting for approval work the old site long enough to make payout?... Then don't work it anymore and wait for your check to come?... Then when you cash that check, have the old site close your account?...

    Or just keep the account open in case you want to go back to it?

    I'm sorry you're having a rough time of it. I'm glad I found SM first. It's not all roses, but at least I am not afraid of them retaliating.

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    I would just work until I make payout, get paid and then close the account. They won't have any of your money so there shouldn't be any issues.
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    Oh is this like a small site / closeknit group of models kind of site? Like are you close to the owner or exclusive to it or something?

    Just stop signing in. After youve made the last payout or enough time has passed that the drama wont be inviting to you, ask them to close it.

    Or are you in a studio?

    Unless this is like [uhhhh site whose acronym is made of 3 letters] or sites in its network that asks for your twitter pswd and monitors your brand whereever you go type of deal.... if that is the site Im thinking of, ppl who leave seem to deal with headaches from the management so I can understand your hesitation. Id suggest deleting all of your content there slowly or something since one person here not only had her payment frozen but all geo-restrictions were removed and they kept her content... Im not sure of that site's TOS cant verify what happened - but it sounded as if some of it was out of spite bc of how insular and selective the site is (like how dare you leave US after all that we did for you, or something).

    If it is them, delete your content and wait until you get your last paycheck (you may have to pester them for it).

    If youre in a studio, it depends what site it is but we can try to get you out of it?





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    It's a pretty well known site...it was the second site I joined. I currently work three. I reecently started working MFC and I adore it, so I want to devote most of my time to that site as well as my first site cos they helped me get started =p
    They pay out you know behind schedule...so they still owe me money
    My plan was to keep up my minimums and then let them know once I have very little money left in my account there. I suppose that would make sense.

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    You should be fine. Yes, there are some horror stories, but that's because no one feels the need to post a thread about "Oh, I just quit x-site, and it was totally fine.".

    Make your payout for the pay period, then stop signing in. You will get sent the money, then, if you really feel it is necessary, you can quit the site/close your account. Girls take a week or two off all the time, so they are hardly going to start asking questions about why you haven't worked in a week or so!

    I honestly think that you may be over-thinking this one, and expecting the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by o0Pepper0o View Post
    It's a pretty well known site...it was the second site I joined. I currently work three. I reecently started working MFC and I adore it, so I want to devote most of my time to that site as well as my first site cos they helped me get started =p
    They pay out you know behind schedule...so they still owe me money
    My plan was to keep up my minimums and then let them know once I have very little money left in my account there. I suppose that would make sense.
    The "help you get started" part + behind schedule + wellknown, I mean, I think it is the site Ive been referring to. Im just guessing here but you may want to search SW for that site's name to check out what happened to a handful of people associated with the site? It isnt rosy at all but it may give some insight on how to leave, like learning from other's mistakes.

    Just to add they helped you get started to help themselves, so dont feel too obligated to remain loyal based on that. Hours wasted on a dead site is money lost for you and just free advertising for them. My understanding is many of the models on that site bailed for MFC or mostly work MFC... and ppl who even liked the site/owner just got tired of pestering them for payout. So makes sense youre going in that direction.

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    You should be fine. Yes, there are some horror stories, but that's because no one feels the need to post a thread about "Oh, I just quit x-site, and it was totally fine.".

    Make your payout for the pay period, then stop signing in. You will get sent the money, then, if you really feel it is necessary, you can quit the site/close your account. Girls take a week or two off all the time, so they are hardly going to start asking questions about why you haven't worked in a week or so!

    I honestly think that you may be over-thinking this one, and expecting the worst.
    This advice applies more for mainstream super popular sites like SM, MFC, LJ, etc where turnover is rapid and administration is used to opening and closing accounts and one lost account wont make a dent in their overall revenue. Smaller sites and studios can have its own set of politics that are a pain in the ass to deal with because *some* site owners hoard their performers for fear of losing them. Not everyone gets paid once they leave, there is even one cam site I saw that said if you dont give enough notice they can hold onto your earnings.

    Smaller sites that operate professionally definitely (thankfully) exist ---but not all of them do.





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    Well, its none of those sites lol...
    But ya I wouldn't say they're a huge site but they ARE well known and have been around for a while..
    The one that has 3 sister sites....I'm on the sister sites and they require you to do a LOT of leg work to even get anywhere near the main site...
    And it's just becoming not worth my time.
    My first site, I'll stick with because their minimums aren't horrible at all, everyone is super nice, and even if I don't bank like crazy on it I still MAKE money lol

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    If they hold your money for a pay period, tell them that you are going on a vacation? So that they still pay you out and it wont look sketchy that you haven't worked during the current pay period. And all the while work on some other site that they cant track so you still make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    This advice applies more for mainstream super popular sites like SM, MFC, LJ, etc where turnover is rapid and administration is used to opening and closing accounts and one lost account wont make a dent in their overall revenue. Smaller sites and studios can have its own set of politics that are a pain in the ass to deal with because *some* site owners hoard their performers for fear of losing them. Not everyone gets paid once they leave, there is even one cam site I saw that said if you dont give enough notice they can hold onto your earnings.

    Smaller sites that operate professionally definitely (thankfully) exist ---but not all of them do.
    This is a good point - so I re-iterate, just take some time off, get the money owed to you, and THEN close the account. If they are really nosy and into your business, tell them that you are going on vacation for a while. They aren't going to withold your money because you haven't signed in for a week! (And if they do, that's what lawyers are for!)
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    I'm kind of interested in the "giving notice" thing. I can see how some site owners get way too entitled. However, unless you are classified as an employee, I don't think they can require that you give notice. (Unless, of course, it's in your contract. Then I guess them's the breaks.) One of the main differences between being an employee and an independent contractor, according to the government, is whether or not you're told how to do your job and when you should work, etc. If your camsite is trying to control that, then they're exerting too much control and you need to move on or receive benefits for being treated as an employee.

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    The "giving notice" thing is weird, because it wouldn't work. Because most sites have no set hours that you have to work, you are able to take off whatever time you want. You could work one hour a year, if you wanted.

    So even if a site required you to "give notice" - well, Ok. Here's my notice, but I'm not going to log on during it.
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    Leave, and take your lone regular with you, babe. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Model_Jess View Post
    I'm kind of interested in the "giving notice" thing. I can see how some site owners get way too entitled. However, unless you are classified as an employee, I don't think they can require that you give notice. (Unless, of course, it's in your contract. Then I guess them's the breaks.) One of the main differences between being an employee and an independent contractor, according to the government, is whether or not you're told how to do your job and when you should work, etc. If your camsite is trying to control that, then they're exerting too much control and you need to move on or receive benefits for being treated as an employee.

    /threadjack (sorry, i'm full of "jacks" today apparently)
    Crazy right? But so common.

    Example of this in motion where on paper Independent Contractor is one thing but in application in can be another: Stripclubs(especially). Brothels. Dungeons....

    Some business owners take the lack of lawsuits that ppl file in the sex industry as a license to do whatever the hell they want (lawsuits = time-intensive, expensive, invasive, many are a matter of public record and most in the sex industry dont want a public record, most business owners know this, so they skirt around the law with impunity bc the system is... what it is). It is stupid but common. I get it sounds ridiculous but it happens all of the time. If you agree to their TOS it doesnt mean your independent contractor status trumps it. If it does, file a lawsuit, but most sites know the vast (vast) majority of performers wont.

    There are many dispatch phone sex sites for example that will just terminate your account if you dont log 20hours or your scheduled times, they equate not showing up as not giving notice. You're still an independent contractor. The one site Im referring to upthread's policy is essentially the same - dont put in hours without giving an explanation for your absence and it is considered quitting/not giving notice, so your earnings are forfeited. The site is not popular for reason, but models work on it? Not everyone has SW to see how many other sites exist and what their options are (unfortunately). So since people dont (or cant or wont) sue these people, they do it.

    SW tends to talk about the same ~3-5 sites, beyond those there is a whole unexplored bizarro world of camming out there.

    For example - most of us forfeit copyright of our streams in perpetuity by working on certain sites... that means youre giving over your labor for life to a company essentially uncompensated. That strikes me as more what an employee does, not an independent contractor who is just renting out the space/bandwidth. It is above and beyond.

    There are a few other examples of cammodels forfeiting what privileges being an independent contractor is to work on sites bc they dont contest it and there isnt much legal precedent to work from. This one just sounds bizarre because it isnt common.

    Take for example everyone says "well it is normal for us to be on adult dating sites bc we gave it up in our contracts", well someone just filed a lawsuit against AdultFriendFinder for doing this with her images from her Cams.com acct (well I think Danni.com which I believe is in Cams.com network) bc she said it was fraud, dishonest, out of the scope of her contract, etc. One could interpret the premise of her lawsuit as saying that she was suing for a violation of her independent contractor status. AFF asked the judge to throw it out bc she forfeited copyright in her TOS.... and the judge refused bc he decided the case had merit bc 'copyright' is being wildly misinterpreted, so it is still in court. I dont think AFF or the Cams.com subsidiary ever expected anyone -let alone an adult performer- to sue. If she wins that will be a huge important precedent.... but up until now no one has ever contested our presence on adult dating sites. So kind of a similar principle.

    For some "independent contractor" just means "taxes are hard and paying you anything set is expensive, so let me give you a bunch of rules and take high fees and legally pretend youre not employee but totally treat you like one", it doesnt afford a specific set of rights that people (rightfully can and should but cant) contest. It is dumb.

    It is just the usual debate over that big fun gulf between definition and application. The sex industry especially is where that gulf can be very wide because of the lack of regulation and also performer's vulnerabilities when it comes to filing suits. I support a lack of regulation in some cases - but shit like "dont tell me why you dont sign in or I keep your moneys" is dumb. Of course you can just choose not to work there, which I think is probably anyone's best and least expensive option.
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