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    Any of you ladies been busted or had that feeling they were vice? What does vice do that stands out to you? In my opinion they look around a lot and are not drunk.

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    Where I work, undercovers are terrible actors and tend to be kind of mechanical. Like they'll ask for extras or out of the club without actually trying to talk you into saying yes. If they get dances they'll only get one and they won't really seem that into it even if they get hard, but will seem more like they're paying attention to the mechanics of what you're doing instead of being relaxed and enjoying themselves. They have a hard time making eye contact and there is usually a slight undertone of discomfort to their body language. Conversation with them is usually lifeless because they're really not that interested in anything you have to say, whereas I've found even an asshole looking just for extras will be a little interested in you because they want you to like them enough to fuck them/blow them/whatever. LE will go for dances quickly or ask you to meet them somewhere for sex quickly, they're usually not going to spend hours and hours in a club.

    I've never been busted but I generally try to follow the rules so I'm really not that worried about it. They've really been cracking down and getting strict in my area lately which is annoying but I just do everything by the book and view them as an easy twenty bucks. I like making them uncomfortable; they always seem to feel like assholes by the time I leave them because I'm clearly a clean dancer with her head on her shoulders.

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    ^ Yes. Mechanical. I didn't realize some law enforcement agencies spend on dances! Usually where I've been they just come in and and something like " do you do extras ? " and when no " does anyone else " so it's kind of obvious .....

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    Meh. I have written at length about this.
    As a dancer that has seen 4 raids first-hand I can assure you there isn't a list of tip-offs or clues.

    To summarize my findings:

    There are a lot of myths swirling about spotting undercover cops. Let's break it down....

    -I've heard undercovers can't have tattoos. Untrue.
    -I've heard undercovers can't drink. Untrue.
    -I've heard undercovers have shaved chest hair. Untrue.
    -I've heard undercovers wear "police" shoes. Untrue

    -I've heard undercovers won't get fully naked (when I was working in a dungeon, house rules stated a custy has to be completely naked before any possibly incriminating 'details' are discussed). This turned out to be true.
    The girl was busted for agreeing to perform sissy-training (doing a dude in the butt with a strap-on) before he removed his boxers. When she returned, she said over & over again how it was her mistake since it is believed to be a dead giveaway.
    In another instance, a girl offered to give a dungeon custy a massage (she didn't have a license to do so) while he was not fully undressed. Again... BUST-O.

    ^^^ Regarding the nudity issue... there really isn't a way to use this as a litmus test since we are the *strippers* and we can't demand that the customer get naked in order to prove he is not a cop. So that's kind of a useless bit of trivia. Especially when you consider that the cop can get naked and then say that he wasn't. Cops word vs. a Strippers word. Who would win?

    I've also heard of undercovers engaging in some sexual contact and then busting a girl. For example: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...Behaving-Badly

    Undercover police can be young, old, thin, fat, bald, etc. They may have an accent, they may be any race, they can be dressed like dapper businessmen or hipster bike-messengers. They may ask for extras on site or they may ask a girl to go outside the club. They may ask for drugs. They can and do drink. They can act shy or be outgoing... more often than not, they are pretty good actors and behave in what we would consider a "normal" manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareaspasia View Post
    Where I work, undercovers are terrible actors and tend to be kind of mechanical. Like they'll ask for extras or out of the club without actually trying to talk you into saying yes. If they get dances they'll only get one and they won't really seem that into it even if they get hard, but will seem more like they're paying attention to the mechanics of what you're doing instead of being relaxed and enjoying themselves. LE will go for dances quickly or ask you to meet them somewhere for sex quickly, they're usually not going to spend hours and hours in a club.
    Untrue. One of my clubs was under surveillance for 6+ months with multiple visits from undercover officers over the course of that time. The Upper East Side Madam that was busted last month... had her establishment "researched" for 5 years (wtf!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Untrue. One of my clubs was under surveillance for 6+ months with multiple visits from undercover officers over the course of that time. The Upper East Side Madam that was busted last month... had her establishment "researched" for 5 years (wtf!).
    5 years? That's crazy!

    I'm sure it varies by area; I work in Cocoa Beach, where they really don't have much of an interest in investing years and money into deep investigations like that. I don't see them investing the money for the kind of training LE vice probably gets in bigger cities. I'm sure it's possible that it could happen but it's such a small town that their idea of cracking down is simply to come into the clubs and tell management to stop allowing certain things, and the clubs want to stay in business so... management enforces it. Seriously. Not at every club, but at all the major ones for sure. Basically, LE makes more money off allowing us to operate (they give people DUIs like it's going out of style, even marking people's car tires with chalk in our parking lots so they'll know to look for those cars later) than they would doing raids. They only do raids when the club is seriously fucking up, like one that was all over the papers a few years back for hiring underage dancers. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just that it doesn't make sense. Obviously our best defense is staying within the confines of the law. It's not always easy but even with the stricter rules I've been working with over the past month or so I'm still making about the same money as I did before they "tightened up." And we went from topless allowing contact of everything but pussy and full on straddle grinding to having to wear latex on the nipples and keeping both feet on the floor at all times and no straddling. We're not allowed to grind but we do anyway, we just do it a lot less. So it's doable. Honestly, I just don't trust anyone because I know they've sent in hot female cops before so I treat every customer the same. But what I said before still stands for me most of the time. A lot of them do give off a certain vibe. I use it to make money off them because I'm not worried, lol.

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    I've come across cops a few times and it's always been SO obvious - just their general demeanor, haircut, the way they carry themselves, I don't know. One time I was playing footsie with a guy at the bar and having a great chat with a guy I knew HAD to be a cop. He said he didn't want to say what he did for work because it sometimes scared girls off, so I told him that I guessed he was a cop. He denied it, and I was like "well then whats with the gun in your ankle holster" I think he was genuinely off-duty though, he seemed like a really cool guy.


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    ^^^ agreed ... SO obvious ! But then again we may just have strong intuition ... or sensitive noses LOL !

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    This makes me think of guys who think they can spot gay guys. They see very effeminate gay men and are like, "He is gay, you can always tell because all gay men always act just like that guy!" But what they don't realize is that not all gay men act or sound effeminate and they are only seeing the ones who are blatantly and outwardly gay.

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    I treat everyone as if they're an undercover cop, then I don't ever have to worry. When a customer starts getting handsy, I tell them it's against the law. When they say "so in so's doing it", my response is when she's caught she's going to jail, there's no amount of money worth jail. My 3rd day working at this club a guy asked me if I could get him some coke. He also knew I was brand new. "sorry can't help you, I don't do drugs", which is the truth there! I got to thinking later on wondering if he was a cop or not.
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    ^^ We had a girl sell heroin to an undercover cop, and she didn't even get fucking arrested!! They should have dragged her cracked-out ass out of there. Instead the cops just called the manager the next day and told him what happened and to fire her.... so he suspended her for one night *SMH*

    Luckily she's gone now. I guess she quit/went to rehab/went to jail/left the state/who knows


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    I've never danced for undercover (that I know of) but I've danced for off-duty. They were both in really really good shape. could be a coincidence, idk. Hot guys.

    Don't even start me on guys asking me where they can find some blow. Way too familiar for my tastes.

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    Guys have "stuff" in there pockets. Cell, keys, money, wallet, ect.. Vice usually do not. A key chain with JUST a car key on it is a red flag to me usually. They rarely buy more than a couple dances. They'll ask you what your menu is like a regular might, but when you dance for them they don't know how to "receive" a dance. They often come in pairs but they don't always sit together. A good door guy should be on alert to a man driving up in a undercover cop car.

    Over the years, I have danced for a few. I have never received a ticket, because you need to spend some serious dough on me before you start getting the good dances. You're not even getting straddled to at least the 10th song. I have received "warnings" from vice for things like my underwear not covering enough of my buttcheeks and touching my own boobs. But everyone that dances for vice gets either a ticket or warning. What freaks the fuck out of me is when they burst in the club in uniform. This freaks me out. Its happened in 3 different clubs I've worked in. One time recently, they "cattle called" us all into the dressing room and took pictures of us and ran our name. I didn't have anything to worry about, but scary nonetheless. In Drake's words "I ain't never met a good cop" lol!!

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    Nicc, that sounds so scary. I have never experienced any of that, its like guilty before innocent.

    What state do you work in where they are so strict?

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    ^^It has happen to me in both WA and CA. Both have pretty strict no contact laws, that do not get enforced by the club. In both cases I'd say that the clubs were mid-range on the "extras" gauge, meaning some girls were pretty high millage and some were total prudes. It is just vice doing their job. I was working in a club in WA one night about 5 years ago where uniformed police came in, pointed at 5 random girls that were on the floor, cuffed them, put them in paper dresses, loaded them in the paddy wagon, and took them in. THANK BABY JESUS I was in the booth flirting with the DJ when all this went down. They technically didn't get arrested, just held and cited.

    The most resent was about 6 months ago. (CA). I'd say about 10 uniformed police came in during the dayshift. Had all of the dancers stand in the dressing room. Took 2 pictures, one face forward and one profile, of each girl. Then after the picture, we had to show our entertainers permit and DL to a cop who then ran out names. No one got hauled off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicc View Post
    Guys have "stuff" in there pockets. Cell, keys, money, wallet, ect.. Vice usually do not. A key chain with JUST a car key on it is a red flag to me usually. They rarely buy more than a couple dances. They'll ask you what your menu is like a regular might, but when you dance for them they don't know how to "receive" a dance. They often come in pairs but they don't always sit together. A good door guy should be on alert to a man driving up in a undercover cop car.

    Over the years, I have danced for a few. I have never received a ticket, because you need to spend some serious dough on me before you start getting the good dances. You're not even getting straddled to at least the 10th song. I have received "warnings" from vice for things like my underwear not covering enough of my buttcheeks and touching my own boobs. But everyone that dances for vice gets either a ticket or warning. What freaks the fuck out of me is when they burst in the club in uniform. This freaks me out. Its happened in 3 different clubs I've worked in. One time recently, they "cattle called" us all into the dressing room and took pictures of us and ran our name. I didn't have anything to worry about, but scary nonetheless. In Drake's words "I ain't never met a good cop" lol!!

    yeah, cops in uniform are super scary. Especially when they all burst in together and the music gets turned off. Down here, the only raids we have are because they're looking for drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicc View Post
    ^^It has happen to me in both WA and CA. Both have pretty strict no contact laws, that do not get enforced by the club. In both cases I'd say that the clubs were mid-range on the "extras" gauge, meaning some girls were pretty high millage and some were total prudes. It is just vice doing their job. I was working in a club in WA one night about 5 years ago where uniformed police came in, pointed at 5 random girls that were on the floor, cuffed them, put them in paper dresses, loaded them in the paddy wagon, and took them in. THANK BABY JESUS I was in the booth flirting with the DJ when all this went down. They technically didn't get arrested, just held and cited.

    The most resent was about 6 months ago. (CA). I'd say about 10 uniformed police came in during the dayshift. Had all of the dancers stand in the dressing room. Took 2 pictures, one face forward and one profile, of each girl. Then after the picture, we had to show our entertainers permit and DL to a cop who then ran out names. No one got hauled off.
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    Sometimes they are obvious but, as most criminals know, you can never be sure someone is not a cop.

    I recently heard about a cop with only one leg posing as a customer in drug investigations. Now you would think, this dude has only one leg - for sure he's not a cop! Actually he got injured on the job and then they made him a detective because he can't be a patrol officer any more. They can pretend to speak broken english, can look really 'street' and use slang, might be overweight, etc. They can act intoxicated or pretend they just used drugs. They can offer to give you drugs. They might come into the club with a female. You just don't know.

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    there were raids going on all last month and 2 girls were arrested but now there is an off duty cop who actually hangs out with the managers in the back--he's pretty nice really and he says he's there just bc of all the raids to "help" us out

    not really sure what that means, he doesn't say anything to the girls but is friendly enough

    my club is not a whorehouse but there are a few extras girls

    one of the girls told me he sells her weed so not sure what to think of him lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvlyDancer View Post
    you can never be sure someone is not a cop.
    They can pretend to speak broken english, can look really 'street' and use slang, might be overweight, etc. They can act intoxicated or pretend they just used drugs. They can offer to give you drugs. They might come into the club with a female. You just don't know.
    Yep... exactly. Once "clues" become common knowledge undercover police switch things up. There is no sure-fire way of identifying an undercover officer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_McKenna View Post
    I've come across cops a few times and it's always been SO obvious - just their general demeanor, haircut, the way they carry themselves, I don't know. One time I was playing footsie with a guy at the bar and having a great chat with a guy I knew HAD to be a cop. He said he didn't want to say what he did for work because it sometimes scared girls off, so I told him that I guessed he was a cop. He denied it, and I was like "well then whats with the gun in your ankle holster" I think he was genuinely off-duty though, he seemed like a really cool guy.

    Our club used to be THE hangout for off-duty cops back in the day. Being the first club in the city, the owner was always getting arrested for various alleged charges, and finally a bunch of cops testified in court that yes, they hang out there all the time, and no, there was nothing sketchy going on. Solved that.

    Vice in our city doesn't usually get dances, they just walk by the booths and look in. Doing something illegal? Grats, there goes your license. They're more concerned about trying to bust us for alcohol- we have no liquor license. The fact that we don't serve makes lap dance rules gray and difficult to enforce in my city, so unless you're blatantly having sex or something, most things slide.

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    I knew many of the vice were vice by their mannerisms, like asking me upfront for sex. One guy then starting asking me for names of girls who provided sex there and to send them over. I never dealt with licenses so that was never an issue. They also asked me to show more than was allowed, usually before buying a dance. After awhile dancer senses will kick in if you pay attention. While many guys ask for sex upfront the way they ask is often blunt.

    Honestly, the best way to avoid this is to make sure you know the laws of that area and enforce them. While you still might be arrested in most cases if you are legit nothing will happen or the case will be thrown out. If I didn't know a guy I gave a stricter no contact dance than a regular. I have seen girls arrested for things like not wearing the correct outfits and even the dance isn't as no contact as it is supposed to be. I've never been arrested in a club raid but it did happen twice at clubs I worked at. At one club most of the dancers were allegedly hooking outside the club and were arrested for this. I was there but they only arrested the dancers involved. Another club was raided and everyone was arrested but I wasn't there. Oddly this club had a lot of cops in uniforms that would come in and they would just hang out with the bartender. As I understand it they were not involved in the raid and different types of cops (state I believe)than the ones arresting. This club got arrested for pushing the rules of some sort, not prostitution and this was a week before the elections. The following week we had to be super strict.

    I did have a moment where I think I dealt with vice. I was asked to do this bachelor party and when I got there the guy was alone and in a robe. He also said he would have to pay me by check. All of this gave me a bad vibe so I left, not to mention I was told it was many people. My shows are pretty tame but who knows what he could get me for.

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    KelleyDancer, most likely the guy in the robe was just some random pervert

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    Possibly, but I wasn't taking a chance. He was more than likely a guy trying to get a free show and the check would have bounced. I forgot to mention he didn't have a driver's license either.
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