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    I don't know about anyone else but lately if I have 300 guys in my chat room over an hours time 60% log in, take one look at me and log off and the other 40% just stay parked saying nothing despite my efforts to interact with them. Whats really frustrating is I know it's not a slow night AT ALL because the other girls around me are all busy as beavers making money yet here I sit and now my attitude has gone completely south as a result. I do not stay on cam when I get flustered, I log off which only flusters me more because half the battle to making a paycheck is being online.

    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have NEVER been placed on the front page ever so it's not like I have been gifted the opportunity to create a big following. I understand this is something that is earned so it's not my complaint, just my doubled edged sword.

    4 hours.. not one show. This is SM I am talking about.

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    Ya know, I've gone over this in my head dozens and dozens of time, and I have no idea how to change my current state of unbliss. I see girls without smiles, without nudity, without any sort of something special, just like myself doing GREAT and wonder what it is that I can do to change things. As it stands right now my attitude is becoming self defeating and as stated, I wont log on when that happens.

    Even my regulars are doing it (log on/off or sit silently for a few minutes then log off) which leads me to believe it's something I am (or am not doing).

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    hmm...that sounds not good...
    [shrug] for me it depends. If I have a few guys talking/tipping and the rest lurking I'll let them stay. If no ones talking and it's all lurkers? I kick and ban like nuts!!!
    I don't let lurkers bother me because I'm very clear with everyone that they can hang out but if they don't talk or tip I kick.

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    It's got to be something about my facial expression is the only thing I can think of. I'm not good at fake smiling, it just doesn't look genuine when I try so I try to create a pleasant look in my eyes. I have experimented with pricing and find that it honestly makes no difference (outside of the assholes who pay $1.99 and expect you to usurp your limits) as to whether I get shows or not. The only thing I can think of is maybe I don't exude sex which is ironic because one of the girls I look up to very much exhibits 0 sex appeal in her free chat but still seems to be in the top two rows despite never getting shows. I have spoken with her and know I make as much, if not more than she does on most weeks.

    I'm usually at the top or middle of page 2. You would think it's a more specialized traffic, like maybe they searched specifics for me, but honestly I'm just... ugh.. I dunno...flustered!!

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    When my room is silent, I change rooms. As in the room that I am in at home. I grab my laptop and go over to the kitchen, grab a glass of juice/wine, some fruit, wonder aimlessly in my undies. I can't make it any worse, can I? The switch in the background usually promps some comments, I respond and start acting all chatty then move back to the bedroom. BAM! chat is alive again


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    Is it possible for you to change up the times that you are online? Try getting online when some of the models that are usually on page one are not online. If you are at the top of page two, changing the times you are online might bump you to the first page and get you a little more traffic.

    Also, I know it is SO hard to fake smile but you really HAVE to look like you are happy and interested and paying attention to the chat because if not, guys will assume you are busy and/or not in a good mood and/or not wanting to have some fun. You don't have to be like OMG SUPER SMILEY! But you have to look and appear interested or guys won't bother.

    Another thing that I do, if it's getting too slow for my liking, I just turn my music up and dance around a little. It helps me entertain myself and it usually gets some guys staying longer, and then you can start to chat them up.
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    I read what both of you are saying and agree with you 100%, do try changing my lighting, outfits even, sometimes I'll eat or have a drink but not my location (my space is limited due to my situation with my daughter).

    One thing I learned about streamate is, I believe no matter how much I make, my placement is permanent. This is where they have my cam, similar to studio placement, and this is where I will stay. They just have me there on page 2 no matter who is on, YES, I do pay very close attention to my placement and do see that of the, "mediocre" to top performers I do slowly move up within page 2 during peak hours but for some reason just as I start to cross that threshold I get pushed back (girls I have never seen before suddenly appear). One day I was really excited to be on because (please forgive) I was one of the only US/CA/UK girl on and I was on page THREE. It seems to be my designated spot. As previously stated, I do speak to at least 2 of the models featured at the top of page 1 and I am fully aware that without any push to page 1 I am equal in pay (that being between $600 and 1k depending on the week) in my revenue.

    So, that said, there must be a way to work with what I have been given.

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    I spoke with a girl on SM recently who was on page 5 and she felt so stuck, I saw her the last couple nights on the bottom of page one! So don't give up thinking it's permanent! I'll ask her what she did to increase it and see if she will message you. I know she was feeling super hopeless about it, so she must have figured out SOMETHING to get her back up where she needed to be.....

    Also, ask EVERYONE that goes private to rate you! I have noticed this past week, my placement moves up one or two spots on the nights I get more good ratings. I know that Vanessa has mentioned before that ratings help with placement! I have one of the auto text things set to a little comment about "please rate me after our chat!" etc.
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    I get the guys that don't shut up. Seriously. It's really aggravating. You should feel lucky they keep their thoughts to themselves. Once you start ignoring them they take you to pvt. It works for me, anyways.

    Oh by the way, you should feel lucky you're on page 2. I'm on page 8... Yeah...

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    I honestly think it's due to my lack of self promotion. I admittedly do not self promote out of fear that one day one of my daughters school mates will make her life miserable so I see how Streamate could consider me to be a blood sucker.

    My rating is 5 stars and has been since day one. I guess I'm just venting. I understand the practicality of what Steamate is doing. In essence I really don't offer them other than being just another pretty face.

    Thanks for allowing me to reason it out

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    I'm just struggling so much... I'm so stressed because my daughter is growing and I have no help. Again, thanks for being supportive.

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    My placement is so fucked right now that I will start on page one and then in about 10 minutes fall off all the pages completely. It is the oddest thing.

    I feel your pain, no mater what I do nothing seems to change it. It really sucks.

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    Maybe free chat isn't for you? I know it isn't for me so I switched to paid chat sites idk maybe try it out? Take care hope things get better

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    Honey I am on page 2 .. i feel your dilemma..lol... trust me.. one minute i am very popular and the next minute i suck!!... BUT it's not permanent placing you are wrong!!.. I worked on easter and for the first time that i ever noticed I was on page 1...it's just the same old adage... hd encoder, phone , sound.. rate per hour vs free chat time... Maybe offer phone?? I noticed that quite possibly my placement gets a wee bit higher by offering phone.. I could be mistaken but i think it does! It sucks though i know.. you feel like you will never be good enough no matter what.. I have experienced so much over the last 10 yrs, big boobs, small boobs.. smoker, non smoker, drinker , non drinker.. blonde, red, brunette... smile, no smile, bitch , NOT bitch.. ONe thing i found that really helped me cut back on frustration.. which not always I do.. Is this::: I had great luck.. some guys get annoyed and have called me a gold digger etc etc.. but those guys have no money anyway.. this is what I did!! My secret I will share...
    " HI!!! how are you?? ( big smile) and he responds.. me: Oh that's great!! you wanna go to pvt honey?? have some fun?? I ask them right away! if they don't? they will not bother you and leave or they will ask if you do this or that..
    Another thing I do is... HI how are you?? what are you into?? you wanna have some fun?? this way I know right away what they expect from me in free chat.. cuts down the time wasting bullshit of talking to him for 20 mins only to find out all he ever wanted was ANAL and then you don't make a dime off him but he wasted 20 mins of your life..
    so You can try that!! I remember last April when i started doing that?? I got pvt's left and right!... I am not much for talking in free chat cuz i have diarrhea of the mouth and i talk to personal so i prefer not to talk at all.. I can't help it.

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    I read what both of you are saying and agree with you 100%, do try changing my lighting, outfits even, sometimes I'll eat or have a drink but not my location (my space is limited due to my situation with my daughter).

    One thing I learned about streamate is, I believe no matter how much I make, my placement is permanent. This is where they have my cam, similar to studio placement, and this is where I will stay. They just have me there on page 2 no matter who is on, YES, I do pay very close attention to my placement and do see that of the, "mediocre" to top performers I do slowly move up within page 2 during peak hours but for some reason just as I start to cross that threshold I get pushed back (girls I have never seen before suddenly appear). One day I was really excited to be on because (please forgive) I was one of the only US/CA/UK girl on and I was on page THREE. It seems to be my designated spot. As previously stated, I do speak to at least 2 of the models featured at the top of page 1 and I am fully aware that without any push to page 1 I am equal in pay (that being between $600 and 1k depending on the week) in my revenue.

    So, that said, there must be a way to work with what I have been given.

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    WOW! 300 custies in your room! I also work on SM and my traffic has gotten better and so is my placement but the most I've gotten in my room is about 10 or less custies. I guess because I'm under the Transgender category. I hope things get better for you so don't give up! I've learned that it only takes just one pvt to make it all better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marina Starr View Post
    WOW! 300 custies in your room! I also work on SM and my traffic has gotten better and so is my placement but the most I've gotten in my room is about 10 or less custies. I guess because I'm under the Transgender category. I hope things get better for you so don't give up! I've learned that it only takes just one pvt to make it all better.
    I think she was saying that over the course of her shift she sees as many as 300 people pop in and out of her free chat... not that she has a room population of 300.

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    ^ i was going to say, LOl. you got 300 in ur room and on page two? i def wouldn't be complaining, but that makes more sense now.

    OP, i noticed that my placement bounces between middle to bottom and middle to top depending on who is online. if you are going 4 hours w/o getting a single prvt then i can see why u are still stuck on page two. the more prvts u get and depending on who is online depends on ur placement. - i noticed that those are the two major factors more than anything. but to be on page one at all, u got to get a steady amount of prvts. i am not saying that you have to get alot of prvts to be on page one, just a steady amount and of course the more money u are making, the higher ur placement gets on page one. change things up and see if it makes a difference in how much more prvts u are getting. all u can do at this point is just experiment and see what works. hope it gets better for you

    ETA: just wanted to say that i also use the encoder and have high speed internet. maybe the ladies who don't use the encoder can chime in here about that, i am not sure how the encoder effects placement on page one. but it might make a difference as well.

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    ^I'm just going to throw this out there:

    I think they've added paid chat vs free chat time to the mix. Maybe it was already in there, I don't know. But I do know that about a month or two ago I noticed my placement dropping when I had fewer guys in paid chat/ less paid chat time, and better placement when I was getting multiple guys in paid chat/ more paid sessions. I know that income is a factor, but I think that time online w/o pay is affecting us too now? I kind of think of it like the MFC camscore, and I log off if I'm not making money. It's significantly helped my placement.

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    Ignore them. I understand your feelings on the matter. I would suggest to act engaged with other people. Best way to play is to act like you're having a great conversation with someone . I know crazy right? Just talk like you're chatting on another site. I've have split sites before and done it and sometimes I'm not actually splitting at all. Guys want attention so I end up getting a private out of them not wanting to be ignored.

    Also on SM some guys are just hoping to catch you naked in that 30 sec thingy. So when you see the same name popping in and out. Block him for good. He's not there to pay to see you anyways. I give about 3 chances to a name. If I see the person pop in say nothing, pop out and do that 3 more times. I wait until that 4th pop in and block them. What I noticed was when I didn't when I eventually went private that's the name that was lurking in on my private for that free 30 seconds.

    Also I made my premium more expensive than my exclusive. Most guys will go for the cheaper rate and that automatically fixed me having pop ins on my privates.

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    OP, I feel like you just described my experience on SM to the tee! I don't know why, but lately these guys just will not talk. Even guys who used to be huge talkers a few weeks ago just lurk now. Interestingly my huge talkers are never spenders, or if they have spent it's been two or three 1 minute exclusive shows over the past 7 months and now they feel entitled to ALL of my time. I get cranky when guys want to monopolize my time in free chat and won't buy a show even though I tell them, "If you want my undivided attention we have go exclusive, otherwise you'll have to share me with everyone else." I also get cranky when a guy parks in my room for a long time and doesn't even have the courtesy to say hello. Like one guy yesterday who kept logging in and out all during my 4 hour shift. Wtf? Clearly you like something because you keep coming back, so why would you not do a show or at least interact with me? I tried calling him out, saying hello to him specifically and he just ignores me. Kick. These guys put me in a foul mood so I don't even want to bother spending my time and energy talking at them because the most I'll get out of it is a reply, and that doesn't pay my bills. So I guess I'm not as interactive and talking non-stop like I used to be, and that's probably why I'm not getting as many shows. I just no longer have the patience to talk to myself in free chat for hours on end. I'm going with Prisma's suggestion and trying a paid chat site; SM's free chat is sucking the life out of me and I dread logging in every morning. Oh, and I'm on page one, usually around the middle to high middle (I used to be in the third to fifth row consistently). I don't know why, because from what I've read it sounds like the girls on page 2+ are doing much better than I've been doing lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyRaine View Post
    SM's free chat is sucking the life out of me.
    Yup. I think the guys know it too. I honestly think most guys do it on purpose because they know damn well it's a paid service and they want to see how far they can push you and how much they can get for free. What's really sad is this is very telling about society and men in general, and the way they feel about women.

    Whoever said (above) that you are hot one minutes then cold the next; that is exactly how my chat room is. There are some days where I make my goal after only being on for an hour and then there are nights light last night where I was on 6 hours total and made a grand total of $150. It's just so up and down. When it's down I second guess myself, when it's up I have a ball and ride the wave!

    One thing that worked for me was raising the price of of my regular paid private to $5.99 and getting rid of the exclusive option altogether. Not to say this will work for me today because for me, what works one day fails the next, but I was thinking about the psychological barrier having to make a choice between high price and low price and the male ego might make on a sale It did work.

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    Whats really frustrating is I know it's not a slow night AT ALL because the other girls around me are all busy as beavers making money yet here I sit and now my attitude has gone completely south as a result.
    It personally helps me not to ever look in anyone else's room. If ever you're stuck, it's probably helpful to pop into a room or two for pointers/ideas, but since I've started on SM I find that it's easier to imagine that this is MY website and all of these guys are coming to see me only. This imaginary scenario helps to keep a confident smile on my face, even through the slow times.

    A sexy, confident, easy smile (think "Yeah, I got this, your money's already in my pocket") is an extremely powerful weapon in this business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moonjade6 View Post
    It personally helps me not to ever look in anyone else's room. If ever you're stuck, it's probably helpful to pop into a room or two for pointers/ideas, but since I've started on SM I find that it's easier to imagine that this is MY website and all of these guys are coming to see me only. This imaginary scenario helps to keep a confident smile on my face, even through the slow times.

    A sexy, confident, easy smile (think "Yeah, I got this, your money's already in my pocket") is an extremely powerful weapon in this business.
    Yup, because when one is not busy, I usually am but when I'm not busy someone else might be. It's a psychological game you play on your own self. There's no point in psyching yourself out because it only adds to the frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyRaine View Post
    OP, I feel like you just described my experience on SM to the tee! I don't know why, but lately these guys just will not talk. Even guys who used to be huge talkers a few weeks ago just lurk now. Interestingly my huge talkers are never spenders, or if they have spent it's been two or three 1 minute exclusive shows over the past 7 months and now they feel entitled to ALL of my time. I get cranky when guys want to monopolize my time in free chat and won't buy a show even though I tell them, "If you want my undivided attention we have go exclusive, otherwise you'll have to share me with everyone else." I also get cranky when a guy parks in my room for a long time and doesn't even have the courtesy to say hello. Like one guy yesterday who kept logging in and out all during my 4 hour shift. Wtf? Clearly you like something because you keep coming back, so why would you not do a show or at least interact with me? I tried calling him out, saying hello to him specifically and he just ignores me. Kick. These guys put me in a foul mood so I don't even want to bother spending my time and energy talking at them because the most I'll get out of it is a reply, and that doesn't pay my bills. So I guess I'm not as interactive and talking non-stop like I used to be, and that's probably why I'm not getting as many shows. I just no longer have the patience to talk to myself in free chat for hours on end. I'm going with Prisma's suggestion and trying a paid chat site; SM's free chat is sucking the life out of me and I dread logging in every morning. Oh, and I'm on page one, usually around the middle to high middle (I used to be in the third to fifth row consistently). I don't know why, because from what I've read it sounds like the girls on page 2+ are doing much better than I've been doing lately.
    I am with you sister! Although my placement has dropped A LOT because I have not been online over there as much as I used to be. I used to sit between lines 2-6, now yesterday I was at the bottom of page 1.

    When I read cvarga made $150 last night in 6 hours I was thinking I wish I made $150 last night. Granted I was only online for 3 hrs, but I made something lousy like $30. Miserable.



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    A note on placement: Last week, I got SO stressed. I had dropped from p1 to p3 after a couple weeks off to move house. I started freaking out, thinking that I needed to get it back up, that if I didn't, I wouldn't make the money I needed for rent in the new place, yada yada yada (verified girls heard my giant ventage on the subject). After a few nights where I made MORE at a lower placement, I realised that it's not the be-all and end-all that we sometimes think it is. And as soon as I stopped being so worked up about placement, I was more relaxed on cam. I was more fun. I made more money. And oh look, its back up again.

    As for stuff to do to keep you on when you are getting bored and frustrated..
    - Dance around. Change up your music till it MAKES you smile and wiggle.
    - Talk randomly, almost like you are making a vlog. I'll do this from time to time, and someone always comments on something, and then we have a conversation, and then someone takes my interacting ass private.
    - Do something silly. Last week I was juggling my butt plugs. I had a great night!

    And in general, I'm not always concerned about being really smiley, but if I want to have a really lucrative night, I'll imagine that everyone talking to me is someone that turns me on. We all have a few guys in our lives - exes, crushes, eye candy, boyfriends, etc. Just imagine that hardcock4353 is that guy that makes you go all tingly in your nether regions. It makes me actually feel flirtier and hornier, and I start giving the camera bedroom eyes, because I am imagining looking at a guy that I would love to do unspeakable things to.
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