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    Looking for both customer and dancer input here: Namely, when dancer says that she is going back "to freshen up" ( or for a few minutes, something similar), what is the maximum reasonble time one should wait for dancer to appear for "agreed upon" dance/ VIP ?

    My thoughts are ~ 15 minutes or 5 songs. I've experienced the legit, and "the brushoff". If I've spoken with dancer during, or just after her set, going to the back to freshen up is perfectly understandable, especially if she has worked up a bit of a sweat. A change of clothing might even be in order, but how many dancers routinely take a full blown shower after each stage set ? Most brushoffs happened in extended floor interval between sets. I know that certain physical maladies, call from home/babysitter , text from a desired regular, etc. can happen. But at some point, one needs to cut their losses and move on.(One can only turn away so many other dancers. )

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    It depends on how well I know the lady. Honestly, most of my favs will go back to the dance area with me right off the stage. If I've been sitting at the rail tipping them I kinda like it that way! I do have one fav who will go back to the dressing room for fifteen or twenty minutes on occasion but I happen to know that she is calling home to check on her kids a couple of times a night. Also, since I've known her for several years I know it's not a brush-off. If it was a new dancer I would have to say that after five or ten minutes all bets, and promises, are off. If she wants my money badly enough she won't keep me waiting. If she does, I just assume she got a better offer or is just plain lazy. In either case, I lose interest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Usually when we do that it's because YOU have told us that you aren't ready yet and we have no idea what time to come back. So please don't blame us for coming back in 30-40 minutes because that's what we assumed you wanted. If YOU really wanted a dance from us in a timely fashion you would get one.
    BOTM: To make it clear: I'm talking about cases where customer has asked dancer for dance(s), and dancer responded with "I'm going back to freshen up a bit", or similar words to that effect.
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    I...would never say that, if I intended to dance for the guy. Maybe my club is just slow, but generally dances seem to be an impulse buy, and I would never in a million years take the chance that he would have changed his mind or gotten snapped up by another dancer while I was screwing around in the dressing room.

    Maybe if it was an emergency. I dunno.

    I do have a regular that I have very, very occasionally put off for a minute or two if I needed to use the ladies room, only because I know he intends to buy long strings of dances and I don't want to be miserable the whole time. But that takes, what, 5 minutes? I'd say 10 minutes is the cutoff time -- shouldn't take longer than that to freshen up or change an outfit. After that she's either purposely blowing you off, or is too stupid/lazy to take your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Does this really happen? I can't imagine any situation where you would ask a dancer for a dance and she would then excuse herself. I think you are confusing asking a dancer for a dance RIGHT THEN and telling a dancer "I want to get a dance after you sit and talk to me for awhile."

    Actually it happens more often than you would think. If a very popular dancer has been busy with other customers all night long, and you stop her right as she's exiting the VIP area and ask her for some dances, chances are that she'll want to go "freshen up" first, especially if she's been back there awhile. At least that's what she'll claim. It's a roll of the dice as to whether or not you'll ever see her again.

    @minnow - I think that you're especially generous and patient. I am willing to wait for no more than 5 minutes, unless she's told me up front that she expects to be longer.

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    I don't think I ever said that. I would tell a guy if I had to run to the bathroom ("Ok, awesome- let me run to the ladies room super quick and I'll be right back!") but aside from that, never. And I was always back within 5 minutes (really, it doesn't take long to pee).

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    Also would not do that, if he's ready to go right now then I'm gonna take him right now. I'm not gonna let a confirmed dance go off with someone else while I go to the DR. I do my DR trip before I ask anyone so that I'm ready to go all the time.

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    When another dancer comes by, I would say, "So and so was going to dance for me but she went to the dressing room to freshen up, but she's been [insert time here] Will it cause drama for you if I buy some dances from you."

    This happened to me once. Dancer #2 said, "She probably forgot; she's kind of spacy." And we went and had a good time/

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    To the OP: you also have to remember that the dancers on this Forum take a very pro-active role in making money. In my experience, dancers that have brushed me off seem to act like they don't take their job seriously (and I'm showing them a wad of 20s!)
    How often does this happen to you? If it happens every time you go in, then try going in at different times (with different dancers). There could be a million reasons why you get the brush-off. Don't take it personally, just move on to the next dancer and eventually you will find one you can stick with.

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    This has happened to me as well. How long I'm willing to wait just really depends on my mood, the vibe of the club, and what other options are being presented to me. I'm usually willing to wait at least 10 minutes.

    Often when my ATF Ms Z was dancing she'd excuse herself to freshen up after stage or if she'd just got done doing private dances for someone else. Usually that might take 10 minutes or so and really wasn't a big deal to me. Sometimes it might take longer if she stopped to talk with other dancers in the dressing room. But she was always worth the wait.

    After Ms Z stopped dancing I started spending most of my time at another club. That club had hotter dances but some really lacked in hustling skills and the "freshen up" situation has caused me aggravation a few times with dancers and some dancer drama as well.

    One night I stopped into the club and was on a bit of a time constraint, had about 2 hours available before needing to head for home. I had a few drinks, stage tipped, got a few dances and before I knew it my available time was drawing to a close.

    There was this absolute HOT blonde dancer who I stage tipped several times and really wanted to end the evening with a string of dances from her. I tipped her generously at stage and told her I'd love to get dances with her when she got done. She came down off stage, I again repeated my request, and she gives my the "freshen up" line. Understandable, she just did an energetic stage set and had a light sheen of sweat on her. She goes off to the dressing the room and I return to my seat and wait... and wait... and wait.

    From where I was sitting I could see the dressing room entrance so I knew she hadn't come out and gotten swept up by somebody else. She just hadn't come out. Several girls came by and asked if I wanted company or dances and I politely declined but each time growing a bit more aggravated with the situation as time ticked away. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I had waited almost 30 minutes for the HOT blonde when finally Ms M appeared and started her pitch.

    Ms M is an exotic beauty, part Hawaiian with long dark hair and all natural beauty with quite the booty. Ms M and I had some prior history since I had become a semi regular of her one of her friends. As such we had gotten drunk together before, teased and joked around with each other, and so on but had yet to do any dances. It didn't take long of her sitting in my lap and running her fingers through my hair, etc to get me up and moving with her to the private dance rooms. I hadn't even bothered to tell Ms M about waiting on the HOT blonde at that point since I had given up on her ever appearing out of the dressing room. Ms M and I do a good long string of dances until I finally stopped her because of needing to leave. Ms M started to walk me out but I needed to hit the mensroom room before the long drive home. After taking care of business I walked out to the floor to leave and found Ms M and the HOT blonde engaged in a rather heated discussion. Since the manager and the bouncer was already moving in on them I figured it was probably best to just keep moving toward the door.

    A couple weeks later I stopped in and got the word on what happened from Ms M. Sure enough the HOT blonde FINALLY came out the dressing room, made her way to where I HAD been sitting, and then spotted Ms M and I exiting the private dance rooms together and drama ensued. I really hadn't intended to cause any drama and apologized to Ms M about it. She was cool and soon became one of that rotation of girls I'd spend time with in that club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jannisary View Post
    A couple weeks later I stopped in and got the word on what happened from Ms M. Sure enough the HOT blonde FINALLY came out the dressing room, made her way to where I HAD been sitting, and then spotted Ms M and I exiting the private dance rooms together and drama ensued. I really hadn't intended to cause any drama and apologized to Ms M about it. She was cool and soon became one of that rotation of girls I'd spend time with in that club.
    LOL, you didn't cause any drama. The only drama was created by the hot bond who lost out by gambling on how long a potential customer would wait for her. You were more than patient. As is evidenced by the comments of the ladies here, smart dancers know that they need to strike while the iron is hot. Even after a few minutes of waiting you have the right to go with whomever you want into the dance area...

    A long-time fav of mine finally quit smoking a few years ago and noticed a definite up-tick in her revenue. She had been losing out on guys who got tired of waiting for her, or got scooped up by other dancers, when she would take her ten minute cigarette break every hour or so. When your not on the floor your really have no claim on any guy's time.
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    The surprising thing about this thread is that so many dancers are unaware how common a long "freshen up" time is. They clearly overestimate their competition.

    How long I wait depends on how interested I am in having dances from that particular dancer as compared to the alternatives. I have waited a fairly long time (> 30 min) in some cases when I was not interested in anyone else; in fact, I have even given up and left the club before the dancer come out. And, I have accepted a counter-offer only moments after the DR door closed. As Yoda said, don't sweat it.

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    Minnow
    As you can see the customers here have an easier time answering this question for you than the dancers because the dancers here have no idea what you're talking about but the customers do! LOL!
    If the following sounds slightly rant-like please note I take great pride in my sales/customer service. It's important to me.
    When a customer asks me for a dance I say "great, let's go find your table"... I do not need to reapply my makeup and change into a new bikini. That is nuts. And of course I know customers do not like to wait. Even though I am not a sc customer I am still a custie at a thousand other places, it's common sense, telling a customer to wait and then not even ackowledging them is a great way to lose a customer. Possibly even permanently for the club as a whole.
    It's pretty obvious what the girl is thinking which is *nothing*. So you have to ask yourself how long you are willing to wait for a girl who turns around and walks into the dressing room when you ask her for a dance.
    I wouldn't say that she's "brushing you off"... when I first started at my club I would go get some girls to dance for other guys when there's a group. Some of them will just keep smoking a cigarette and talking to their friend or putting on makeup when their makeup is finished. Or they're not "ready" for some reason they need a drink... there's nothing personal about it.. but it's so sloppy. Now I have a core group of girls that I know I can get when I need another girl and they won't tell me "give me a few minutes". So I stick with my dependable girls.

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    This sort of issue really demonstrates the difference between the kind of stripper who takes her job seriously and comes to work with the goal of making as much money as possible, and the kind who doesn't. The girls on this site tend to be the kind who take their jobs seriously and want to be the best they can be. But a lot of strippers aren't like that. I've been blown off in a similar manner to the OP, and this isn't the first thread on this very subject since I've started visiting this site. Almost as bad as the girls who have to freshen up, and then forget about you or make you wait, are the girls who sit with you for awhile, set up the hustle, and then leave to go smoke (or whatever) before asking you for a dance. That happened to me a few months ago and so I thought, okay, well, I'm fair game for another girl I guess. I found another girl and bought dances from her. The first girl saw us together later in the night and kept glaring at me. Well, if she hadn't had to smoke right then and there then maybe she would have gotten my money. Imagine if your waitress stopped in the middle of taking your order at a restaurant and said, "Oh, hang on, I really have to take a smoke break...hold that thought!" It's no different really.

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    ^ Good point. If you are legitimately blowing a guy off because he is a known time-waster or simply not worth the amount of aggravation involved to get his money the "freshen-up" escape route seems like the least invasive way to do it. In a case like this I would say that the gal in question is taking her job very seriously!

    One fav of mine used to hide-out on her old club's outdoor patio to avoid a particularly annoying non-spender. Another uses her club's second floor nude room to do the same since the cheap skates won't usually pay the extra 5 bucks it costs to get into that room...
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    Quote Originally Posted by teaze View Post
    I take a long time when freshening up. I get distracted easily so sometimes it will be 20-30 minutes before I come back on the floor. Talking on the phone, doing makeup, drinking, etc tacks on a lot of minutes. I've had guys tell me that they waited an hour for me to come back on the floor. An hour is way too long to wait but at least 20 minutes waiting is acceptable.

    If a dancer warns me ahead of time that she'll be at least 20 minutes before coming back, that's fine.....I'll grab dances with someone else in the meantime and look for her in 20 minutes or so. Without a warning, though, it's "5 minutes - moving on now" time for me. I've had it happen where a girl takes it for granted that since I've shown interest I will wait all night for her. Not gonna happen.

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    Thanks for the replies.

    social reject: The number of fingers I'm holding up right now is the number of times that I've been "brushed off"/"flaked on" since joining SW (2007), out of 200 some club visits. There's probably 200 or more club visits I've already forgotten about in my pre-SW days. Like you, I got a good read on average SW dancers' work ethos. But, hey, thanks for your input.

    missykrissy; Yes, I have asked myself that question. Yes, I've felt (and been lucky) more often than not, as most dancers kept their promise. One example occured at one of lopaws fave clubs on a slow afternoon. One familiar dancer just had to take a cigarette break on patio (all clubs in state non-smoking, I guess some familiarity might breed contempt.) But, she only took 5 minutes. Yet, at a club somewhere else that is known as being a somewhat regulars club, I recall one dancer who said OK to my query (after I tipped her) in the middle of her set. After set was over, without any word, made a beeline straight to dressing room. And stayed there, and stayed there..............

    I'm surprised no poster has mentioned this, but do some dancers "hold out" for regulars only ? That could be a possible reason for brushoff, but why not just say "no", or that dancer is waiting for someone,instead of falsely leading customer on ? Then again, flaky work habits may be at play, as the later subject dancer was not seen on my numerous subsequent visits to club. The "freshen ups" who kept their promises were mostly veteran dancers who had been at club for at least several months.

    I've been at the losing end in another way. In this case, I had to use restroom, and indicated to hot dancer who approached me (Vegas club many years ago) that I'd be right back ready for dance upon using facilities. I wasn't quick enough, as hot buxom blonde was already off to dance area with another customer. Not to worry- wasn't long before another dancer just as hot approached me. ( I understand med's approach to work very well - this was Vegas.. On a long shift, breaks have to be taken sometime. (After all, I hit restroom at least once in ~ 2 hr visit, what then 4-8 hr. shift with dancer drinks thrown in). Yet after 15 minutes, I figure a brushoff/flakeout. I blew off "stage dasher"(re- previous paragraph) after 2 songs. No, lopaw, I'm not always patient .

    To the dancers who use dresssing room visit as a blow off technique: Isn't that cutting off ones nose to spite ones face? Really, hiding out in dressing room for 20-30 minutes, or more, just to put off an undesireable customer is 20-30 minutes of lost oppurtunity to pick up a good customer. ( Do you think that is a wise move, yoda?). Wouldn't it be better to say you have another customer, or some other creative lie, rather than stay off floor ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    To the dancers who use dresssing room visit as a blow off technique: Isn't that cutting off ones nose to spite ones face? Really, hiding out in dressing room for 20-30 minutes, or more, just to put off an undesireable customer is 20-30 minutes of lost oppurtunity to pick up a good customer. ( Do you think that is a wise move, yoda?). Wouldn't it be better to say you have another customer, or some other creative lie, rather than stay off floor ?

    Do I think it's a wise move? In principal yeah, I do. As far as the 20 or 30 minute thing, no I don't but I don't think that smarter dancers are disappearing from the floor for quite that long.

    In the club, total honesty is NOT always the best policy. There is nothing to be gained by a dancer telling a time-waster off or saying no to a guy because five girls in the dressing room told you he's cheap and grabby. The best way to handle it is to duck the guy for a few minutes and hope he loses interest and moves on.
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    When does that EVER happen ?

    If you want a dance, you should get a dance. And, most (if not all) dances will lead you to the LD area/private rooms at that very moment. If a dancer says she'll just go and freshen up first (probably means a bathroom break, which shouldn't take 15-20 mins lol). And, unless it's VERY quiet, most dances won't disappear from the floor for that long-we don't make money hiding in the DR !

    Other than that, the only time I've ever seen a dancer "brush off" the offer of a dance is:

    * If the customer has offended them in some way i.e. BO, rudeness etc (but a lot will tolerate this).
    *If she is due on stage at that moment (in which case she'll probably tell you and take you for a dance after her set finishes).
    *If she is waiting on another customer who has already paid and is i.e. at the bar, in the bathroom, at the atm (if the club has one) etc. Or, if a regular is due to arrive anytime now (but again most will probably go anyway, or atleast let you know and not string you along).
    *If you have said "maybe later" as BOTM mentioned above.

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    I find a "slight sheen of sweat" to be very attractive and erotic. So, if told the dancer wants to freshen up, I might say, "Hey, I like you just the way you are." (Yea, Mr. Rogers in the strip club.) I particularly like sweaty hair, especially if I am permitted to run my fingers through it.

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    Ducking out makes sense. I mean it's not like you can get the guy to leave right? I would assume that if a dancer keeps ducking you and making up excuses to be gone for 30 mins at a time then she is probably not interested in any of your money. You can try twice or find someone else. I'm pretty sure there are more than 1 attractive woman in a club at a time so go find someone else if she doesn't return in 20 mins.

    Minnow -I thought you were traveling alot and setting up club visits on here. Is that not panning out because from what I've seen you seem to be actively asking where dancers are so you could meet up with them in the club. I mean you know several dancers here that I'm pretty sure would give you a great LD. I just don't get why a dancer would avoid you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    1) It was never my intent to look for a "pity party".
    2) I do not have a problem with "brushoffs"- To paraphrase post #21: The number of fingers I'm holding up now is the number of times since joining this site (2007) that I have been brushed off in 200 some club visits to ~ 30 different clubs.

    So if you have been to 200 clubs over 5 year span and have witnessed different brush off techniques why ask the question? If it's such a rare occurrence then it's rare . A dancer is going to do what makes the most sense when it comes to her own time management. Some would say they would never be gone so long and others probably want to freshen up more. Still if someone is taking such a long time returning then it's not so strange if they are no longer interested in dancing for you. As I said before give it probably 20 mins and MOVE ON. This really isn't rocket science here.






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    I've also stated in prior posts that "freshen up" line is legit more often than not. In those few cases, yes I moved on to another dancer after an interval. I dislike time wasters, but know when to cut losses. All the same, I don't mind saying that I find this to be discourteous, as I'm keeping up my end of the bargain for a certain time by turning away/ not approaching other appealing dancers during "freshen up". I've seen other threads where dancers won't approach customers of certain nationalities, ethnic groups, age, etc, so I guess they'll do creative brushoffs on these groups, too.

    The reason I stated "pity party" is that you sound like you're whining about something that's not really that big of a deal. You say you dislike time wasters but you could very well be one yourself so hiding from you could be a seriously big loss that someone needed to cut by any means necessary.
    How about next time you give the dancer the money up front and then let her freshen up? That way she has to return for a dance? Sound good? Just put the dance money in her hands and I'm pretty sure she'll return right away.


    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    As spending levels, preferences, etal are very subjective, I won't go there. I do travel a lot. The internet is but another communication medium, so I'm not bashful about casting out lines. I've met several pinkies, about half on multiple repetitive visits. Some trips have been spontaneous last minute kind, yet I've been approached by familiar dancers without prior pm/ call , etc.

    Of course you wont. "minnow" ie little fish ... sounds like that could be the problem too. You're not bashful about meeting or asking to meet dancers or whoever off the site but you've been here for 5 years and you don't think money is a big factor? Haven't you learned anything from reading all these threads? So you don't want to discuss numbers but then again your name is " minnow" ie little fish. Actually you don't have to say much at all. The name did the work for you.


    I asked you what kind of customer you are. Are you grabby, pushy or do you respect boundaries? You ignored that question so I'm assuming now that you are the grabby pushy type.


    I asked what your spending habits are in the club and you avoided that question like the plague. So I'm thinking you don't spend much at all.


    See you probably just answered your own question without the necessity of even putting up this thread. What dancer wouldn't hide from the grabby, pushy cheap guy that doesn't care about her boundaries? Now you may have the same money in your pocket going from one part of the US to another but generally what someone spends in Oklahoma would probably be pennies to what someone spends in NYC. As seen in trip reports a customer's experiences can vary based on where he's going , what he's looking for and most importantly what he has to spend. Now if you want to get opinions on the matter then put up ALL the details. Right now it's too broad of a question. A bunch of dancers can post that they would never have a customer wait long but they still don't know what type of customer you are. Are you buying one dance that is grabby and pushy when they can very well avoid you and wait for their respectful regular to show up that spends 10 times the amount you do? Any dancer with a brain would avoid you.


    The point is I really don't know what type of customer you are which is why I asked the question. Your avoidance in answering the basics is telling more about what customer you are that now will paint the picture for others. I mean we've seen other customers ask questions and they fill in the blanks so we have an idea of who they are as a customer. Without the details or if they're hiding them , then this post comes of whining.


    Just read another thread and the guy was offered OTC but he had done 15 dances with a dancer in one night. So it was easy to see why the dancer was interested in pulling him out the club for an OTC adventure. $25 x 15=$ 375. Not bad but I'm pretty sure the dancer would feel she could enjoy his money without giving any to the club. Now if we didn't know what he spent in the club we would all have assumed he was probably getting a bs line. He may still be getting a bs line but him spending that amount in one visit with one dancer would put him in a different bracket even in her mind for the time.


    Again if we don't know because you are withholding information then there is something you're leaving out on purpose which brings us back to whining. Give all the details so we can really get to the skinny of the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missykrissy View Post
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    As you can see the customers here have an easier time answering this question for you than the dancers because the dancers here have no idea what you're talking about but the customers do! LOL!
    LOL missy. That is because the dancers of SW are pros who don't leave money in guys' pockets if they can have it in their purses instead.

    But you obviously also know the reality, which is that there are some dancers who don't approach the job with the same mentaility or work ethic. I really think of minnow's "freshen up" example as a proxy for any excuse that a girl might give if she is simply not motivated or interested.

    Many years ago, I developed a policy of never chasing after a dancer, ever. Most dancers can sense when a guy is very interested simply by how he is looking at her. I will also sometimes use a good stage tip as a signal. If she is either not motivated enough or simply too busy to approach me, then c'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    LOL missy. That is because the dancers of SW are pros who don't leave money in guys' pockets if they can have it in their purses instead.

    But you obviously also know the reality, which is that there are some dancers who don't approach the job with the same mentaility or work ethic. I really think of minnow's "freshen up" example as a proxy for any excuse that a girl might give if she is simply not motivated or interested. As you obviously know though, the reality is that the real club dancer population is very much a mixed bag and there are some who don't approach the job with the same mentality.

    Many years ago, I developed a policy of never chasing after a dancer, ever. Most dancers can sense when a guy is very interested simply by how he is looking at her. I will also sometimes use a good stage tip as a signal. If she is either not motivated enough or simply too busy to approach me, then c'est la vie.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Wow, where to start (or finish).

    First, is asking a dancer ONCE for a dance "chasing after" her ? I think not. I don't ask more than once, and I do move on. As brushoff cases often dancers I've met for first time, "handsiness" a non-issue here. (Is putting tip in garter being handsy ? ) I usually prefer to let dancer approach, but have done my share of asking too.

    Cherry, how about you show me some of your clothing, food, gas, etc. purchase receipts , and I'll tell you my club spending levels. I will say that I'm not a bona fide whale, but have spent a solid 3 figures on numerous occasions.

    Several posts ago, I was pretty much satisfied with the answers, in that some dancers would never dream of being off the floor for a long time. Yet some admitted that they would duck into dressing room for a stalker, or a known cheapskate. Avoiding a stalker type (follows you around club, repetitively asks, etc.) is perfectly understandable. I still wonder if some dancers "hold out" for known regulars, but I'll just leave that as an unsolved mystery for now.

    Lastly, I think someone said somewhere that jumping to conclusions too quickly can land you in horse manure, or something like that...........
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