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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post

    Cherry, how about you show me your W2's, and I'll tell you my spending levels. I will say that I'm not a bona fide whale, but have spent a solid 3 figures on numerous occasions.

    Several posts ago, I was pretty much satisfied with the answers, in that some dancers would never dream of being off the floor for a long time. Yet some admitted that they would duck into dressing room for a stalker, or a known cheapskate. Avoiding a stalker type (follows you around club, repetitively asks, etc.) is perfectly understandable. I still wonder if some dancers "hold out" for known regulars, but I'll just leave that as an unsolved mystery for now.

    Lastly, I think someone said somewhere that jumping to conclusions too quickly can land you in horse manure, or something like that...........
    Ooh you poor thing you. Of course after being here for over 5 years this question was just so bothersome you just had to ask. It was so difficult to figure this out. Darn times are surely hard on us all huh?

    In other news.....

    So avoidance and deflection. I suspected you would come back with the "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" routine. Yes I saw this coming but I was hoping you would be like yeah sure I spent xxx this time and the other time and this happened blah. Then I would have been like . Wow that's crazy! What was she even thinking? Stupid dancer missing out on all those hundreds! Pssh!

    Also for someone so secretive of what he's **cough** not spending... he surely seems to care an awful lot about how dancers make their money and why? Kinda off a sticky situation to be in . Asking about what they do for their regulars and if they'll look over your "minnow style spending" for a regular? Is that really your business either? Probably not. Again I never asked what you make in a year , I asked what you spent in the club. You've been brushed off before so now 5 years after being here it's only just now become a topic of discussion?

    The whole " on numerous". blaaaah. I pretty much yawned through that entire line. What that says is " maybe 15 years ago... etc etc.

    Several posts ago you knew the answer to your own question. I feel this was more of a need to feel better about getting stood up at the alter. So get some dancers to pat you on the back to say " ooh of course I would never be gone that long". Again even if you said you sit on your hands all night at the club and spend nearly $2,000 , it took you too long to respond so umm yeah no one's buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    LOL missy. That is because the dancers of SW are pros who don't leave money in guys' pockets if they can have it in their purses instead.

    But you obviously also know the reality, which is that there are some dancers who don't approach the job with the same mentaility or work ethic. I really think of minnow's "freshen up" example as a proxy for any excuse that a girl might give if she is simply not motivated or interested. As you obviously know though, the reality is that the real club dancer population is very much a mixed bag and there are some who don't approach the job with the same mentality.

    Many years ago, I developed a policy of never chasing after a dancer, ever. Most dancers can sense when a guy is very interested simply by how he is looking at her. I will also sometimes use a good stage tip as a signal. If she is either not motivated enough or simply too busy to approach me, then c'est la vie.
    I agree. That's what didn't make sense about this thread at all. He's no newbie to going to clubs. I could see if he was 18 just went to a club for the first time , but he's a seasoned vet asking this? I think his ego got bruised by some harsh reality that there are bigger fish in the sea and he's posted this thread in hopes of casting out some "feel sorry for me broken dreams" line. Ohh no he missed out on some hot women? What going home to another microwave Marie Callender's dinner? Come on now.... Give it 20 and move on. It's so obvious it doesn't even require a thread. What's next? "What do I do when a dancer says hi" Uggg is it me? Am I the only one that is saying "huh"? Just wondering doesn't even fit. We all wonder about things and generally "there are no stupid questions". But this is an obvious no brainer here. He's probably been traveling from sea to shinning sea and ooh now I waited 21.51849 for a dancer. What do I do? What do I do?

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    In response to the original post, i never go "Freshen up" if somebody has approached me for a dance, if they come up to me then they can have me as i am, they obviously already want me. the only time i legit go spray some perfume and power my nose is when i have already paid for an hour long room and want to be fresh for the time im in there. If im on the floor and say ill have to freshen up and ill catch up in a minute, it just means i have something better waiting, and ill get back to you when im done doing that.


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    OK, I'm going to allow for the possibility that I'm missing something here.

    But if I am, what is it? "Minnow" is clearly an ironic screen name, he's being a gentleman by understating how much he spends, and it's pretty well-known that he's visited SW dancers for many, many years.

    Trust me when I say that there's a downside to being too visible and honest about spending a fuck-ton on SW dancers in their clubs. I don't understand why he's being punished for his discretion.

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    Am I the only one who will say it? She probably doesn't want to dance for you for some reason. She doesn't want to TOTALLY blow you off because their might be a night when she is more desperate for dances.

    Customers can really rub me the wrong way sometimes. If I am kinda popular that night and a customer who tips me at the stage is gropey or STINKS I will avoid. Sometimes I am just in that mood where I can't put up with much. *Not claiming to be awesome at my job*

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Good Things View Post
    OK, I'm going to allow for the possibility that I'm missing something here.

    But if I am, what is it? "Minnow" is clearly an ironic screen name, he's being a gentleman by understating how much he spends, and it's pretty well-known that he's visited SW dancers for many, many years.
    This could very well be true for he has said he has visited dancers and again I've seen him in action here. The funny thing is with all of these wonderful trips I haven't heard one single dancer vouch for him here. Hmmm many, many years? Where are they all? Why hasn't even one jumped up and said " minnow is the greatest!" I met him last night and I had the best LD ever. There are pinks here that have posted about meeting nice blues so.....

    Quote Originally Posted by All Good Things View Post
    Trust me when I say that there's a downside to being too visible and honest about spending a fuck-ton on SW dancers in their clubs. I don't understand why he's being punished for his discretion.
    Now the question of why would someone brush you off is something any person can easily answer by just thinking. Hmm I smell bad? I'm handsy? I'm cheap? I'm rude? Pretty much sums it up. Most dancers will not ignore cash unless it comes with too much of a headache and the guy's money is non existent in her mind. Again it's not rocket science and he's been seeing dancers all over for years. So this thread was meant for what? He really was that confused? I don't think so. Again he just needed an ego boost.

    I asked some basic questions, ones we've seen before in other threads and he avoided them. My point to him was give us the details so we can make a true response. Or is it if you give us all the details , we'll actually tell you that you deserved to be avoided? Hmm I wonder.

    I've seen this tactic before in cam. Guy does something to some cam models then when he doesn't get his way he goes on a forum and starts off with some general question that doesn't even make sense to ask. The models all chime in with" Really? wow I don't get why that would happen, I would never do that to you. "He gets his fake ego boost until someone comes in and says "dude stop bullshitting"." I was in her room and you were being an ass!" Then all the models turn around and say what? "This guy made it sound like he was the victim".

    Classic case of Douchebaggery.

    Now of course no one would even think to question it if he hadn't posted, However he feels he didn't get his just rewards so he needs to run and whine somewhere especially to other women in the industry that he got screwed over.
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    Default Re: "Freshen Up": Legit vs Brushoff Timeline

    This thread has become just a little too personal in nature for my taste. Feel free to discuss, in general terms, the topic at hand. Any further posts involving accusations of a personal nature will be deleted and the poster will be pointed for ignoring this warning.

    Have fun, play like grownups please.

    Oh, and by the way, what happens in chat stays in chat. I don't read chat, I have no idea what goes on in chat and I don't want to see chat issues carried over to this board. Keep it in chat or resort to PM or reporting if you must. I don't expect to read any further references anywhere in Customer Convo in regards to conversations that occur in chat. Your anticipated cooperation is both expected and appreciated.
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    I have had the pleasure of meeting and visiting with minnow on a few occasions when a business trip has brought him into my area. Although I am not a dancer, I am a woman and my interaction with him has always been wonderful. He has always treated me respectfully and strikes me as a friendly and outgoing gentleman, and I can’t imagine him treating any dancer with disrespect or asking her to exceed her boundaries. IMHO, he is like a big gentle teddy bear. Of course I don’t know what goes on between him and the dancers in the lapdance area, but I can’t believe that he is a such a complete Jekyll & Hyde back there compared to how he interacts with people on the main floor. You can glean a lot about a person by sitting and chatting a bit, and as far as I’m concerned, minnow is good people and I enjoy those rare times when we can meet up a catch up on the latest gossip/drama about our favorite local stripclubs.

    I know that minnow certainly does not need me to come to his defense here, but it seems that he is being attacked for posting a fairly harmless thread that asked a simple question and invited people’s opinions. It is Customer conversation, afterall – and as a many a dancer has expressed to me - let's “conversate”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Many years ago, I developed a policy of never chasing after a dancer, ever. Most dancers can sense when a guy is very interested simply by how he is looking at her. I will also sometimes use a good stage tip as a signal. If she is either not motivated enough or simply too busy to approach me, then c'est la vie.
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    Comparing strip clubs to other kinds of sales jobs is not a valid approach, because we are selling a service, not an inanimate object.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I have had the pleasure of meeting and visiting with minnow on a few occasions when a business trip has brought him into my area. Although I am not a dancer, I am a woman and my interaction with him has always been wonderful. He has always treated me respectfully and strikes me as a friendly and outgoing gentleman, and I can’t imagine him treating any dancer with disrespect or asking her to exceed her boundaries. IMHO, he is like a big gentle teddy bear. Of course I don’t know what goes on between him and the dancers in the lapdance area, but I can’t believe that he is a such a complete Jekyll & Hyde back there compared to how he interacts with people on the main floor. You can glean a lot about a person by sitting and chatting a bit, and as far as I’m concerned, minnow is good people and I enjoy those rare times when we can meet up a catch up on the latest gossip/drama about our favorite local stripclubs.

    I know that minnow certainly does not need me to come to his defense here, but it seems that he is being attacked for posting a fairly harmless thread that asked a simple question and invited people’s opinions. It is Customer conversation, afterall – and as a many a dancer has expressed to me - let's “conversate”
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    Thanks, lopaw, though I'm not so sure about the teddy bear part.

    I'd already chosen to address the allegations/characterizations posted via pm to particular member, copy to the mods.
    With internet (and SW site) being a rapidly evolving thing, refinements/adjustments need to be made. If yodas note about chat isn't already in guidelines, it certainly belongs there. Thanks, yoda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    This thread has become just a little too personal in nature for my taste. Feel free to discuss, in general terms, the topic at hand. Any further posts involving accusations of a personal nature will be deleted and the poster will be pointed for ignoring this warning.

    Have fun, play like grownups please.

    Oh, and by the way, what happens in chat stays in chat. I don't read chat, I have no idea what goes on in chat and I don't want to see chat issues carried over to this board. Keep it in chat or resort to PM or reporting if you must. I don't expect to read any further references anywhere in Customer Convo in regards to conversations that occur in chat. Your anticipated cooperation is both expected and appreciated.

    Didn't know what happens in the chat cannot be discussed on this board as a rule. If I had mistakenly broken this rule I apologize. I just never saw this rule posted anywhere on the site. If it's there please put is as a sticky under the rules section and going forward I will not make the same mistake.

    I have seen in the past that chat discussions have been a saving grace for many of the adult workers here that may have been put in harm's way. If there's a proper way of handling this for the future I will be more than happy to hear additional suggestions or new rules.

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    This is rule # 4 from the forum rules section:

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    I've had to make a few deletions and a few edits in order to clean things up a bit here. Lets all please keep things on topic here.
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    In the spirit of getting this back on track, since I actually believe that this thread started to derail before it fully developed...

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Many years ago, I developed a policy of never chasing after a dancer, ever. Most dancers can sense when a guy is very interested simply by how he is looking at her. I will also sometimes use a good stage tip as a signal. If she is either not motivated enough or simply too busy to approach me, then c'est la vie.
    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    First, is asking a dancer ONCE for a dance "chasing after" her ? I think not. I don't ask more than once, and I do move on. As brushoff cases often dancers I've met for first time, "handsiness" a non-issue here. (Is putting tip in garter being handsy ? ) I usually prefer to let dancer approach, but have done my share of asking too.
    I need to be sold on the notion that I should spend money on a particular dancer. If I have to get in line or take a ticket, then I just have no interest. In fact, there is virtually no situation in which I'm going to approach a girl and ask her to take my money. It is just my particular approach. IME, girls who are highly sought after often take it for granted and become complacent, which can lead to brush-off situations or service issues if she DOES agree to take the money.

    I simply don't need it badly enough to chase after it, which is why I don't normally find myself in this particular predicament. I also don't get particularly worked up over other issues, including any girl who, even after I have let it be known that I'd be receptive to her approach, decides that sitting in the DR, or at the bar or at a table by herself, etc., is her better choice. When I see this happen, which is not too often but it does occur now and then, I simply put on a bemused smile and look at the other options.

    A strip club visit is always a crap shoot. You never knows what is in store or what is going on in the minds of the dancers that you are dealing with. IMHO, trying to figure out why some girl doesn't want to take your money is a pointless exercise. There are probably dozens of reasons why this might happen, some of them legit and some just a function of indifference, but in any event you will never know and most of this is outside of your control.

    At least by waiting for them to approach me, not only am I obviously not dealing with brush-off issues, but the girls in question are more motivated than the ones who think that money will rain down on them all night from the ceilng of the DR.
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    To be honest the vast number of "why do dancers do this" or "why do dancers do that" questions can be answered very simply. Just because. I find it interesting that the same sort of questions show up on the escort forums I frequent that show up here. "Why hasn't she called me back", "why did she let me hang out at her hotel for an hour after the appointment was over" "why did she throw me out ten minutes early". Again, just because. In all of these cases there are obviously motivating factors on the lady's side but, for me at least, it's not something I worry about or lose sleep over.

    I am, admitedly, a "regulars" guy. I have a group of favorite dancers and escorts who are all motivated and hard working ladies but every one of them will admit to having days where they just don't feel like working all that hard... or working at all. They will also admit without hesitation that there are some guys who just aren't worth the aggravation no matter how much or how little they spend.
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    The only thing I've ever done before a dance that's been made a done deal (done deal as in the customer is paying the bouncer outside of the VIP area) is using the restroom. I would never risk losing VIP/LD money by "freshening up" in the dressing room. I work in a club where you have to hustle your ass off for even a $25 single song dance, let alone a 15 min./half an hour room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    In the spirit of getting this back on track, since I actually believe that this thread started to derail before it fully developed...





    I need to be sold on the notion that I should spend money on a particular dancer. If I have to get in line or take a ticket, then I just have no interest. In fact, there is virtually no situation in which I'm going to approach a girl and ask her to take my money. It is just my particular approach. IME, girls who are highly sought after often take it for granted and become complacent, which can lead to brush-off situations or service issues if she DOES agree to take the money.

    I simply don't need it badly enough to chase after it, which is why I don't normally find myself in this particular predicament. I also don't get particularly worked up over other issues, including any girl who, even after I have let it be known that I'd be receptive to her approach, decides that sitting in the DR, or at the bar or at a table by herself, etc., is her better choice. When I see this happen, which is not too often but it does occur now and then, I simply put on a bemused smile and look at the other options.

    A strip club visit is always a crap shoot. You never knows what is in store or what is going on in the minds of the dancers that you are dealing with. IMHO, trying to figure out why some girl doesn't want to take your money is a pointless exercise. There are probably dozens of reasons why this might happen, some of them legit and some just a function of indifference, but in any event you will never know and most of this is outside of your control.

    At least by waiting for them to approach me, not only am I obviously not dealing with brush-off issues, but the girls in question are more motivated than the ones who think that money will rain down on them all night from the ceilng of the DR.
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    Rick, I'm curious how you envision thread developing beyond 30 - 40 posts that is supposedly about a banal subject...................

    Anyway, thanks to rick and yoda for providing reasons # 8 - 12 out of 144 as to why a dancer might brush off a customer. No matter what title of thread is, most customer queries can be boiled down to a basic desire to get the maximum enjoyment out of visit , and/or least aggravation.

    Another recent thread touches on subject raised in above quote, so I'll expound some on it: Namely, adopting the "Indifferent Customer Schtick" as a means of putting yourself in a better bargaining position. Ah, yes some IDC 101 Review: When going to a car dealer, do not dash over to shiny model on showroom floor and drool over it--- Check. When house hunting, do not gush ecstatic over some feature that you like very much--- Check. When going to stripclubs, do not ever approach dancer-- Righto !

    By now, we all know what you do, rick, and that your approach has worked very well for you. But not everyone feels the need to have their arse kissed on each and every transaction. Nor are all the visits a 3 hr plus drink and schmooze fest. Some situations just don't allow the time. For those, a reasonable proactive approach may be in order. To make a non clubbing analogy: A house buyer driving through a neighborhood with a bunch of "for sale signs" in it could just drive up in a luxury sedan or SUV,parking in the middle of it, and make a show of perusing real estate listings. One or more of the eager sellers just might notice the parked real estate agent looking vehicle, and trip over themselves to sell their house to the parked stranger.

    OTOH, another interested buyer could simply walk up, ring the doorbell on desired house, make a satisfactory offer, and get the house of their dreams. I've been that guy several times in a club setting.

    Like you said, each visit is a crapshoot. BTW, I lol'ed over your last sentence........................
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