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    Default Legal risk of working in an extras club?

    Apologies if this has been asked; I couldn't find it in the FAQ or search bar.

    I work at a club with a lot of extras girls - handjobs and sometimes blowjobs in the lap dance room, sometimes I'll see a girl and customer leave together, etc. I'm strictly clean in my dancing and always will be. How can I find out if I'll be at risk if the club is busted? I'm in Oregon, and I haven't been able to find anything detailing Oregon law online to help me out.

    Thanks in advance!!

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    Default Re: Legal risk of working in an extras club?

    Well there is typically an investigation before a raid is conducted, i.e. complaints filtering from club patrons about being solicited by dancers or undercovers asking for extras before the raid. Sometimes a sting is just conducted and girls are busted by undercovers, or a full on a raid will take place.

    With that in mind if you are working when a raid happens the intensity of what takes place will depend on the goal of LE at the time. They may be checking to make sure girls have their dance cards (if applicable), checking lockers/purses for drugs, making sure no one underage is drinking (giving breathalyzer tests), running people's names for warrants, and seeing if they find any guns/drugs anywhere else or if they catch someone in the act of prostituting themselves. Everyone in the club doesn't just automatically get arrested, and they don't ticket everyone.

    For example, if you are a 19-year-old dancer with valid ID on your person, a dance card (if needed), sober, no drugs or weapons in your locker/purse, and are not violating any laws (i.e. being nude in a topless club, or breaking contact laws/providing extras) then it is unlikely you will be in any trouble.

    My advice is to always be sober if you are underage, never bring weapons or drugs to the club (especially in your locker, that is club property so their search warrant will let them search it), don't do anything illegal, don't suggest you'll do anything illegal, and don't break laws about nudity.

    There is always the chance you could be unfairly accused of something, but you are innocent until proven guilty. That is why having a lawyer on retainer is a good idea. Even just a $1,500 retainer will suffice for the time being.
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    Default Re: Legal risk of working in an extras club?

    How about working atleast twice a week at a club? Is there a chance of being raided even though I'm not an 'extras' girl. How to find a lawyer that's dancer friendly?

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    ^^ Usually when they raid a club, no-one is allowed to leave until the cops have finished all their searches. Depending on how intensive the search is, it might be over quickly or they might be on a vendetta to punish everyone. There have been cases where a ton of dancers have been taken to a police station and charged with things that have basically no evidence - it's easy to fight it later and usually get it thrown out, but you likely would need a lawyer and it would suck to be caught up in it in the first place.

    The other thing is to remember that a lot of the time, there are a million different regulations written into the prostitution laws that most people don't even know about. A dancer friend of mine told me about a club in the state she uses to dance in, where the prudish community was determined to have a club shut down. It was written in the laws that striptease can only be performed on stage, and so one night the cops showed up and issues a ton of tickets to girls, plus a huge fine to the club, for every time a girl has stepped down with one foot onto the tip ledge to get a dollar. Technically it was against the law, apparently. Also, one night at my club, I got into a convo with some girls and our manager about how cops can get any club shut down if they really want to. The manager was saying that in our state, its apparently technically illegal for a girl to dance for anyone who tips her, or even buys her a drink! It's seen as additional payment of money/something of value (a drink), therefore can be considered to be for additional services. So crazy!!

    If a club has a lot of extra's, and hasn't been raided though, probably someone is paying of someone else to look the other way

    That was basically a long-winded way of me saying, if you're clean, and have your ID and aren't drunk as Laurisa said, you should be fine. Unless fate or some other reason has it in for you, in which case they'll get you for something/anything. And that could happen at an extra's club or a clean club.


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    Default Re: Legal risk of working in an extras club?

    Hey thank you Miss_Mckenna for the legal info. So..if the club is raided on the day I wasn't there. Would I still be in trouble? How do I find a lawyer that's dancer friendly? Or they will assign a public defender for me? Anyways...I am a paralegal major but yet I don't know about these laws? That's insane!! And it really would suck getting caught in the first place. That's why I'm trying to go work atleast twice a week.

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    There are tons of lawyers who are dancer-friendly. Criminal defense lawyers represent people from all walks of life with varying criminal charges pending against them. Some of your fellow dancers may have lawyers they can recommend because they have had legal issues in the past. Or, the club could even give you a recommendation because they don't want you in legal trouble any more than you already do. If that fails call up local criminal defense attorneys and ask about putting someone on retainer. Let them know what you do for a living and that you want peace of mind in case you ever do get caught up in a raid. Any lawyer worth a damn will take your money, they don't care what you do for a living--these people represent drug dealers, rapists, and murderers, they definitely don't care about whether you are a stripper or not.

    If you are formally charged and have to appear in court you will be awarded a court appointed attorney. Keep in mind some of these court appointed attorneys aren't the best, so it's always recommended to secure your own legal counsel. If you are simply detained or arrested and then released without any charges you won't get a lawyer. But remember, DO NOT speak to any police or make a statement without a lawyer present even if they seem friendly. If they ask to search your property (car, purse, etc) then say "I do not consent to searches". They can do it anyway, but if it's not covered in the warrant for the raid the evidence can be dismissed in court later. You should always be polite and friendly to the police, identify yourself and cooperate, but don't make incriminating statements about anything. All you should tell them is your name, present them with your ID, and what you do for the club. That is all. If you are arrested you will have a chance to speak to an attorney assuming charges are brought against you formally.
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    Default Re: Legal risk of working in an extras club?

    One of the current concerns is these new mugshot websites popping up as well.
    Sites such as mugshots.com will make your mug shot googleable using just your name ! So ... if you get a lewdness charge ( or whatever could be given in a club ) , this may be out online even if that charges are dropped. These sites scare me pretty bad since I've always been super discreet about sex work. It's made me be much more vigilant about all things sex work related actually.

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    ^^ That happened to my friend. She was arrested for something unrelated to sex work, but now whenever you google her name, 4 out of the first 5 pics are her mugshot. She graduates soon and I'm like, good luck getting a job with that.

    Sweet_baby, if the club gets raided while you're not there, you're 99.9% gonna be fine. Unless something in your record meant that they'd come looking for you, like your ID on file showed you were underage or something. The thing is, in Philly *technically* all dancers are meant to have a dancer's license, although no-one ever really mentions it and clubs don't bother to ask for it. Even the big clubs like Delilahs overlook it. That would be the only thing I would think could be an issue at all.


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    Default Re: Legal risk of working in an extras club?

    Thanks so much for the advice Laurisa & MissMcKenna. The clubs I've visited and worked with have never asked about or mentioned a dancer's license. How can I find out whether my state requires one?

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    I'd imagine something would probably come up if you googled the city/state and "entertainers license". Normally the club should tell you about it in advance though. Also, search for your city or state here on the search bar up top might bring up some threads about clubs there and you could see if any of the posts mentioned permits


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    ^ The place I've got my license said nothing like that will come up and I do check periodically ( it hasn't ). Having a dancer license isn't public record from what I understand ( at least in that city ). Ours in simply a background check. If you have criminal charges, you can't dance there.

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    Kayla: Just call the club and see if they require a license.

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