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    I searched for this "researcher" and didn't see it. Researcher Satoshi Kanazawa Says Black Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women in recent Psychology Today article.
    Enough people complained that the article was removed, but it can be found other places if one looks (1)

    It's important to note, a legit study that finds X, no matter how un popular and un PC is one thing, but this was not anything close to a legit study, and he makes comments that are far outside the "study" that inflamed people so and was clearly racism under the guise of "research" which pissed me, and so many others, off. My vid commenting on this "study" is here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X456hvTmGg8

    I don't usually comment on such things, but on that one, felt compelled. Vid has gotten good traffic, with plenty of support comments and sadly, plenty of hate filled racist crap from D bags. People suck.

    Follow up, the schmuck was fired from his writing work:

    Satoshi Kanazawa, the psychologist who caused a great deal of controversy with his article on why African American women are unattractive has been fired from Psychology Today, where the article first surfaced. Huliq reports:

    And now Satoshi Kanazawa’s lost his blog and his profile page has been deleted from Psychology Today’s website. His article and unqualified research on unattractive black women sent off a fury of protests online. 75,000 people blew up Psychology Today via email, Twitter and Facebook. Some even rang Psychology Today’s telephones off the hook.

    When all was said and done, Psychology Today sent an email to ColorofChange.org and informed the largest online African American political organization that Kanazawa’s work won’t appear on their site any longer. Psychology Today even said they’ve instituted new rules to prevent inflammatory content in the future.

    People who hadn’t heard of Kanazawa were sharing the text in question, their hurt, their ire and disbelief that Psychology Today endorsed the piece. They demanded Kanazawa be fired. Students at Kanazawa’s other day job, London School of Economics, have also called for Kanazawa’s resignation.





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    I remember hearing this study on the Tyra Show. I'm not going to watch the video because I can already tell that this study is irrelevant. You can't just group a race of people together like this.
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    i'm a black woman and i find myself pretty Damn attractive, regardless of what a "study" says, so it's just pointless for me to read ;-)

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    Like the OP stated, anyone can conduct an 'academic' study, but it's another matter entirely to create legitimate research that passes the critique of others in one's field.
    Kanazawa kinda reminds me of Philip Rushton, a prof at Western University in Ontario who is 'noted' in his field mainly based upon his obsession with linking one's capacity for intelligence and propensity for criminality (as inherent traits) to one's 'race' category. Yes, the race bell curve is still taught at a Canadian university...
    Both these guys serve as perfect examples of the reality that social science studies are not value neutral and objective, but rather are constructed upon and reflect the values and aims (and obsessions- check out both men's CVs) of the researcher (and I say that as someone who works in the social sciences). These two examples just happen to (thankfully) be more blatant than most in revealing the researcher within his/her work product.
    Junk science pisses me off, regardless of the content. Ugh
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    havent we all realized by now that "studies" are used by the media to enflame opinions/sell newspapers and divide people. nothing more.
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    Studies have proven that people who conduct studies like this more likely to be middle aged virgins than anyone else.


    These studies as stupid as they are, actually do bring up something I have seen before and that is generally speaking men tend to prefer lighter skinned women. I have read studies like that and often explain why blondes seem to make the most money at clubs, at least what I've seen. Also, that black women who are considered more beautiful are lighter skinned. Don't believe me, look at the top black actresses and singers and you will see most of them are lighter skinned. I think a lot of this goes back to slave times where the lighter skinned slaves tended to be the mistresses or the house slaves then the field slaves (though some of that goes to the fact that many of them were part white too).

    I don't believe any group as a whole can be called attractive versus unattractive because I know a lot of very attractive black women. The only part I may be inclined to agree if they mentioned that obesity seems to be a bigger problem with black women. To me obesity is not attractive at all, though I know people of all races and genders obese.

    Having said that I find black men very attractive for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missjzone View Post
    havent we all realized by now that "studies" are used by the media to enflame opinions/sell newspapers and divide people. nothing more.
    Legit studies are used to further the knowledge base on the topic. Don't confuse legit studies for POS stuff like this. Two, yes, the media will often take a study out of context for ratings, but that's the fault of the media vs the study itself.
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    Well, for one thing, it would be impossible to design a study to measure the attractiveness of any person or demographic, or anything, really. Science cannot definitively tell us if person A is more attractive than person B, because attraction is completely subjective. Now, of course you could design a study to analyze our perception of beauty: which features do we as a whole find important when determining attractiveness, how are these features examined by the human eye and rated by the human brain, the importance of symmetry in humans' perception of beauty, etc. In fact, there have been several studies that have focused on defining what makes one person more attractive than another by societal standards and how those standards were formed.

    The fact that the title states that Black women are less attractive as an objective fact rather than reporting it as the findings of a survey they conducted... that's just bad science, and bad writing. Even if it was meant to imply that this is the opinion of a group of people rather than an objective fact, the author repeatedly states it as fact without the clause "according to xxxxx". And if read the article correctly (not sure, the print was tiny), these conclusions are based on the scores of only three people?!? Holy absurdly small sample size, Batman!


    I know "Psychology Today" isn't exactly "The American Journal of Psychology" or anything, but seriously, how did this article slip past their editors? Blatantly obvious pseudo-science used as a platform to declare all women of a particular race "unattractive" - and no one caught that before it went live online?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalllia View Post
    Well, for one thing, it would be impossible to design a study to measure the attractiveness of any person or demographic, or anything, really. Science cannot definitively tell us if person A is more attractive than person B, because attraction is completely subjective. Now, of course you could design a study to analyze our perception of beauty: which features do we as a whole find important when determining attractiveness, how are these features examined by the human eye and rated by the human brain, the importance of symmetry in humans' perception of beauty, etc. In fact, there have been several studies that have focused on defining what makes one person more attractive than another by societal standards and how those standards were formed.

    The fact that the title states that Black women are less attractive as an objective fact rather than reporting it as the findings of a survey they conducted... that's just bad science, and bad writing. Even if it was meant to imply that this is the opinion of a group of people rather than an objective fact, the author repeatedly states it as fact without the clause "according to xxxxx". And if read the article correctly (not sure, the print was tiny), these conclusions are based on the scores of only three people?!? Holy absurdly small sample size, Batman!


    I know "Psychology Today" isn't exactly "The American Journal of Psychology" or anything, but seriously, how did this article slip past their editors? Blatantly obvious pseudo-science used as a platform to declare all women of a particular race "unattractive" - and no one caught that before it went to print?
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    Wow I'm shocked that someone would write something like this on a site like Psychology Today. I do think he may have a specific fascination with AA individuals because he wrote something similar in 2006 but he was met with similar criticism based on his findings not having any comparable data.


    If his study were brought into light without his personal feeling being all over it, maybe it would have been taken differently but this guy obviously has some issues he's dealing with. Perhaps it has to do with the view of Asian American men in society and his desire to find a group of women that he felt he would have a better chance with. Sadly this guy was probably shut down by them too. I found his study to even be more interesting that he said that AA men were actually more desired than other races. Another absurd view from his dating pool limitations.


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    In 2006, Kanazawa published a paper suggesting that the poor health of people in some nations is the result not of poverty, but of lower intelligence.[22] In the British Journal of Health Psychology, George Ellison wrote that the theory is based on flawed assumptions, questionable data, inappropriate analysis and biased interpretations. Ellison wrote that Kanazawa mistook statistical associations for evidence of causality and falsely concluded that populations in sub-Saharan Africa are less healthy because they are unintelligent and not because they are poor.[23] Kevin Denny wrote similar criticisms regarding the IQ data and stated that African Americans should have similar IQs when compared to the sub-Saharan African population and that Kanazawa should have measured the distance between areas in a topographical fashion.[24]


    His data said something about high testosterone levels when it's actually high estrogen levels that AA women receive at a young age due to being early in the female reproductive phases prior to other backrounds.( I'm taking a human sexuality course right now lol) Then he had said something about them being obese or overweight yet his site states its facial features that are the culprit, yet he some how circles around to saying it's neither. He fails to include the societal influence on what people find attractive in a society per region or continent. Plus he only used 3 people? How is that even a true control group? He also fails to provide how he gathered his findings and what other information supports his claim. It's a shame because the topic is interesting yet he falls short of being taken seriously as a ground breaking evolutionary psychologist. If anything he appears to be releasing his own inner issues , something better left for his own shrink.




    68 psychologists have already distanced themselves from him.


    I remember last year someone signed up and wrote something here similar that AA individuals were bread for physical strength not mental strength or intelligence but that was all around the riot posts.


    Even I do agree that perhaps in today's society that lighter skinned AA women are sought after it's mainly due to their mixture of races and the benefit of having different features, some similar some different. If we do look at slavery , those women did come in a very dark color and none of those men seemed to have any issues sleeping with them sometimes more so than their own wives of the same race.

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    [QUOTE=Natalllia;2336931]Well, for one thing, it would be impossible to design a study to measure the attractiveness of any person or QUOTE]

    I just finished reading Flipnosis: The art of split second persuasion, and it claims that there are common indicators of attractiveness across the board (no matter your race/ethnicity). It was in a section about newborns looking longer at symmetrical faces, and how adults are programmed to look longer at big eyes (proportinate to the rest of your face). There's more to it than that but its a little of the thread topic. http://www.flipnosis.co.uk/
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    I remember reading that year. I can't put into words how it makes me feel as a black woman.
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    This is a stupid study. I find black women beautiful!





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    I have to say that I observed hardly any black women in videos when I look at random porn sites and started wondering why isn't there more equal amount of black women in porn. Was is that black women aren't attractive to men when it comes to sex? But then again, the same argument can be made for latinas and asians since their numbers are low too in general porn population. So seeing that a study was done based on my initial observation isn't surprising but at same time find it invalid since same can be said about latins and asians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikiwiki View Post
    while rejecting beautiful black women at the door....
    It's quite clear that many cultures value black women less then white women in terms of attractiveness, and that's not hard to see in real life (I'm sure there's plenty of examples to be found at the clubs...) and confirmed in research. That does not mean they are less attractive however, simply tells us what a culture values at any given time. There was a time when fat white pasty people were considered the height of beauty and tanned lean/thin people ugly, because being fat and white was a sign of wealth and power. Hence why many of those old paintings are of fat white women, which were considered the height of beauty at the time.

    There's a fair amount of research that does show what human beings do find attractive almost universally, and that's things like symmetrical faces and healthy skin, etc. Ergo, visual cues of health and good genes and such.

    As far as what "most" men may prefer in the current culture, I stand by my closing comments in that vid
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikiwiki View Post
    I have to say that I observed hardly any black women in videos when I look at random porn sites and started wondering why isn't there more equal amount of black women in porn. Was is that black women aren't attractive to men when it comes to sex? But then again, the same argument can be made for latinas and asians since their numbers are low too in general porn population. So seeing that a study was done based on my initial observation isn't surprising but at same time find it invalid since same can be said about latins and asians.
    BTW, I think black women are smokin HOT! I have rarely come across an ugly black woman at any club I've danced at, meanwhile they still hire a few heiffers while rejecting beautiful black women at the door....
    Uh... have you looked at porn from black asian or hispanic countries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CurvySweet View Post
    I remember reading that year. I can't put into words how it makes me feel as a black woman.

    There is an unlimited amount of stupid shit on the internet that should be treated like the garbage that it is...throw it out and dont give it another thought.

    Just because someone SAYS their study is scientific doesnt make it scientific.....or even a study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    This is a stupid study. I find black women beautiful!
    As do I. See final comments in my vid
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    Black women are my fav

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    I've seen some very attractive black women, not just in clubs. I've seen many who are not attractive at all, nor care to be. Same for white and asian women, well almost the same. The stats -- I really dunno, but I'm more attracted to pretty white women than to pretty black or asian women. Very subjective study, murky results, IMO.
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    were the people working on this study white?....
    all women are equally attractive..
    bunch of non sense.
    proof that statistics are not to be trusted....

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    IDK we had some Chinese customers, straight from the mainland and I had to pry one dudes fingers off my tits! I guess this guy's survey sample size wasn't big enough.
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    I'm a nigerian woman and a very attractive one at that. I find black american women plain looking and mostly unattractive. I somewhat agree with the study. However, I know more than a few FUGLY caucasians so I guess there are fuglies in every race. Just sayin'

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    Theres ugly people in every race and looks are subjective.

    To be honest, I like the light skinned black girls...not the super dark ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    were the people working on this study white?....
    Satoshi Kanazawa sounds like a "white" person to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    all women are equally attractive..
    Not the point, or actually true per se. The point is, what's attractive to people is driven by many factors, some cultural, some biological/evolutionary driven. For example, people with symmetrical faces tend to be found attractive across all cultures tested. Healthy skin seems to be another, and so forth. The point of this post and my vid, is to expose not that "all women are equally attractive" but that his "research" was crap. Yes, research can expose those physical traits most people will find attractive, but that does not apply to individuals per se (I might find a very dark black women with a less then perfectly symmetrical face over white women with a more symmetrical face and so forth...) but on average, trends (legit trends) can show themselves.

    This "research" however was not legit, and clearly based on his personal bias as his interpretation of his findings showed.
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