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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Potential food for thought here ...

    We have previously discussed the fact that it costs webcam hosts the same X dollars per hour to provide web hosting and video stream bandwidth for camgirls, regardless of how much 'revenues' the camgirl was able to generate during that hour via paid sales.

    As such, there is some percentage of paid sales figure that equates to the webcam host 'breaking even' i.e. a particular camgirl's hourly paid sales percentage kept by the webcam host equalling the actual costs to the webcam host of providing web hosting and video stream bandwidth for that camgirl. In terms of wild guesswork plus previous experience operating my own streaming video server, I'd say that the 'break even' percentage probably falls somewhere around 25% for a large webcam host company.

    The fact that webcam hosts are starting to keep track of percentage of paid sales statistics may very well be a prelude to webcam hosts 'cutting' camgirls whose paid sales percentage consistently falls below the 'break even' point versus costs to the webcam host of providing webcam hosting and ( mostly free chat ) video stream bandwidth to that camgirl.

    At present, the 'losses' to the webcam host created by marginal camgirls whose paid sales percentage is less than 25% are being heavily subsidized by other camgirls whose paid sales percentages are 50%+.

    Or put another way, if a webhost were to 'cut' all camgirls whose average paid sales percentage consistently fell below 25%, the webcam host could afford to raise the percentage payout to remaining camgirls significantly - with both the webcam host and the higher performing camgirls earning more money in the process !!! In addition, by 'lightening the load' on the webcam host's servers and internet backbone connection via 'cutting' the video streams of camgirls whose paid sales average less than 25%, webcam video stream performance problems would be 'cured' for the remaining camgirls - plus the webcam host could avoid having to invest millions of additional dollars to upgrade streaming server and internet backbone bandwidth capacity.

    Just a potential insight that the webcam hosts calculations of percentage of paid sales statistics may have more purposes than simply providing additional info on the camgirl's account information page !!! If your average percentage of paid sales figure has consistently fallen below 25%, it might be worth be worth some extra effort to try and raise that percentage ... before carrying a low average percentage of paid sales figure actually brings on future consequences ( like 'forced' retirement ) !!!
    You are brilliant Melonie really you are!

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    Default Re: SM Ladies! What % do you spend in paid?

    If you put yourself on break alot how does that factor in with the percentage??? i wonder hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Potential food for thought here ...

    We have previously discussed the fact that it costs webcam hosts the same X dollars per hour to provide web hosting and video stream bandwidth for camgirls, regardless of how much 'revenues' the camgirl was able to generate during that hour via paid sales.

    As such, there is some percentage of paid sales figure that equates to the webcam host 'breaking even' i.e. a particular camgirl's hourly paid sales percentage kept by the webcam host equalling the actual costs to the webcam host of providing web hosting and video stream bandwidth for that camgirl. In terms of wild guesswork plus previous experience operating my own streaming video server, I'd say that the 'break even' percentage probably falls somewhere around 25% for a large webcam host company.

    The fact that webcam hosts are starting to keep track of percentage of paid sales statistics may very well be a prelude to webcam hosts 'cutting' camgirls whose paid sales percentage consistently falls below the 'break even' point versus costs to the webcam host of providing webcam hosting and ( mostly free chat ) video stream bandwidth to that camgirl.

    At present, the 'losses' to the webcam host created by marginal camgirls whose paid sales percentage is less than 25% are being heavily subsidized by other camgirls whose paid sales percentages are 50%+.

    Or put another way, if a webhost were to 'cut' all camgirls whose average paid sales percentage consistently fell below 25%, the webcam host could afford to raise the percentage payout to remaining camgirls significantly - with both the webcam host and the higher performing camgirls earning more money in the process !!! In addition, by 'lightening the load' on the webcam host's servers and internet backbone connection via 'cutting' the video streams of camgirls whose paid sales average less than 25%, webcam video stream performance problems would be 'cured' for the remaining camgirls - plus the webcam host could avoid having to invest millions of additional dollars to upgrade streaming server and internet backbone bandwidth capacity.

    Just a potential insight that the webcam hosts calculations of percentage of paid sales statistics may have more purposes than simply providing additional info on the camgirl's account information page !!! If your average percentage of paid sales figure has consistently fallen below 25%, it might be worth be worth some extra effort to try and raise that percentage ... before carrying a low average percentage of paid sales figure actually brings on future consequences ( like 'forced' retirement ) !!!
    Isn't this what I'm saying? I'm waiting for the REASON behind this to make itself evident. I don't believe SM is just doing us a favor here. Call me a pessimist, but why would they do us any favors? They get their money either way. And when they start to feel they're losing money, or at least not gaining, then they come out with a new way to "help us make more money" like gold, like gold shows...
    ...like this?

    And the result of all that "help'? Some girls benefit a lot more, some girls suffer a lot, but SM? Well, they either benefit or they move on to the next favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    This is why using this number alone to compare ourselves is not going to do much but make some feel like they are doing better and some feel like they suck!

    Here is an easy way to look at it that one could easily assume:
    The longer you are online, the smaller your percentage of time overall in paid BUT the more you probably made.
    The shorter you are online, the higher your percentage of time overall in paid BUT the less you probably made.

    Obviously that's a generalization but my point is, just because you see someone with a higher percentage than you, don't assume they are "doing better" than you are. Nor should one assume that if your percentage is higher that you are "doing better" than everyone else.

    It is all realitive. This should be the slogan for camming.

    I have days that are 99% because I did 1 long ass pvt as soon as I got on and left
    Another Day 35% but I made $300 (GS/PaidChat/Tips)
    The daily doesn't include tips and counts your breaks


    Anyway I agree with Sarah the % doesnt mean much too me as far as making me feel bad because some days i have a low % but I make a good amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Potential food for thought here ...

    We have previously discussed the fact that it costs webcam hosts the same X dollars per hour to provide web hosting and video stream bandwidth for camgirls, regardless of how much 'revenues' the camgirl was able to generate during that hour via paid sales.

    As such, there is some percentage of paid sales figure that equates to the webcam host 'breaking even' i.e. a particular camgirl's hourly paid sales percentage kept by the webcam host equalling the actual costs to the webcam host of providing web hosting and video stream bandwidth for that camgirl. In terms of wild guesswork plus previous experience operating my own streaming video server, I'd say that the 'break even' percentage probably falls somewhere around 25% for a large webcam host company.

    The fact that webcam hosts are starting to keep track of percentage of paid sales statistics may very well be a prelude to webcam hosts 'cutting' camgirls whose paid sales percentage consistently falls below the 'break even' point versus costs to the webcam host of providing webcam hosting and ( mostly free chat ) video stream bandwidth to that camgirl.

    At present, the 'losses' to the webcam host created by marginal camgirls whose paid sales percentage is less than 25% are being heavily subsidized by other camgirls whose paid sales percentages are 50%+.

    Or put another way, if a webhost were to 'cut' all camgirls whose average paid sales percentage consistently fell below 25%, the webcam host could afford to raise the percentage payout to remaining camgirls significantly - with both the webcam host and the higher performing camgirls earning more money in the process !!! In addition, by 'lightening the load' on the webcam host's servers and internet backbone connection via 'cutting' the video streams of camgirls whose paid sales average less than 25%, webcam video stream performance problems would be 'cured' for the remaining camgirls - plus the webcam host could avoid having to invest millions of additional dollars to upgrade streaming server and internet backbone bandwidth capacity.

    Just a potential insight that the webcam hosts calculations of percentage of paid sales statistics may have more purposes than simply providing additional info on the camgirl's account information page !!! If your average percentage of paid sales figure has consistently fallen below 25%, it might be worth be worth some extra effort to try and raise that percentage ... before carrying a low average percentage of paid sales figure actually brings on future consequences ( like 'forced' retirement ) !!!
    I hope you're right about this!!!
    xoxo ~ Sarah




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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous camgirl View Post
    If you put yourself on break alot how does that factor in with the percentage??? i wonder hmm
    The only thing that putting yourself in to break mode is going to do is increase your time spent online and decrease your time spent in paid.

    Even when you are in break mode, you are STILL streaming and therefore the clock is still ticking for your "total time online".
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    ^^^ well, if this does turn out to be the 'future' of the webcam host business model, just like the strip club business model it will be a 'good thing' for top performers but a 'bad thing' for marginal performers. And just like the strip club owners, the webcam host will profit from the change in business model as well.

    From a pure business logic standpoint, every strip club requires potential performers to 'audition' ... and if they don't have the necessary skills and/or 'goods' to convert their hours at the club into substantial earnings for themselves as well as the clubowner, they don't get provided with access to the club's customers. However, since the introduction of the free chat webcam business model at least, webcam hosts are basically 'forced' to provide the same access to webcam customers for every camgirl ... despite the fact that some camgirls generate huge amounts of revenues for themselves and the webcam host, while other camgirls actually cause the webcam host to experience a financial 'loss' ( which is presently made up by forcibly requiring top performer camgirls to subsidize these losses via reducing top performer payout percentages).

    Again from a pure business logic standpoint, the argument can certainly be made that marginal camgirls do not have any 'constitutional right' to be provided with a 'free' webcam video stream at the expense of the webcam host and top performer camgirls !!! Thus it would be very logical for a webcam host to use individual camgirls' percentage of paid sales statistics to 'fire' marginal camgirls who fail to exceed the 'break even' percentage ( guess 25% ) necessary to pay for the streaming server and internet backbone capacity that their ( mostly free ) video stream the marginal camgirls are using ( and mostly failing ) to try and entice webcam customers to spend money.

    Perhaps new signup camgirls would be given a couple of weeks / a month's worth of 'audition' period, at the end of which their percentage of paid sales would need to be above the 25% 'break-even' level or their account would be closed. Similarly, veteran camgirls would be given a month's worth of time to improve their paid sales percentage above the 25% 'break even' level or their account would be closed as well.

    Again going back to the strip club analogy, if the above were put into effect by a particular webcam host, it would essentially reduce the total number of camgirls BUT increase the 'quality' of camgirls hosted at that site. Given the same amount of total webcam customer dollars, this would result in major increases in earnings for both the remaining camgirls and the webcam host. In essence, the first webcam host to do this would be filling the niche which roughly corresponds to Penthouse Club / Scores etc. in the strip club world. Also, like marginal dancers who can't make it through the 'audition' to be allowed to work at Penthouse Club / Scores etc., marginal camgirls would still have access to other webcam hosts ... whose customer base and earnings potential is still substantial but whose standards and expectations aren't as high.
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    I have to wonder..... since it is pretty clear that a huge amount of the models streaming are actually COSTING money.... what the HELL were cam sites thinking from a business perspective when they decided to let everyone and their cousin sign up to work on their sites?

    I realize that there are "different strokes for different folks" and therefore webcams provide a place for people to find that "niche" girl that they might not find elsewhere, but this is the ONLY area in the adult industry world where literally ANYONE can sign up to work. These businesses had to have known that they were going to LOSE money like this..... right? How could they not?
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    These businesses had to have known that they were going to LOSE money like this..... right? How could they not?
    Going back over the relatively brief business history of webcam hosting, remember that 'free chat' video streams weren't an original part of the business model. Also remember that the web server capacity costs and internet bandwidth costs of delivering a 320p or 480p video stream were FAR lower than today's costs of delivering a quasi-HD 720p and especially true-HD 1080p video stream. So when the 'free chat' video stream change in business model originally came along in the age of 320p lo-res video, the 'break even' percentage of paid sales necessary was perhaps only 5% because the costs to the webcam host were much lower. Any camgirl who couldn't convert at a 5% rate would probably quit trying on her own volition.

    Also, 5 years ago, the lower 'acceptability' of doing adult webcam work, and the earnings potential available to a marginal camgirl versus the earnings potential available from ( then much more plentiful and easier to find ) straight jobs, made the possibility of 'average' girls actually trying their hand at adult webcam much lower than it is today. But with the ongoing poor economy, an increasing number of girls are now turning to adult webcam as being one type of 'job' they can actually find !!!

    so to answer your questions ... this was a 'downward evolution' that has gradually been building up for the webcam hosts, caused both by the rapidly rising costs associated with higher resolution video stream standards as well as a rapidly rising number of unemployed girls who would never have attempted trying their 'hand' at adult webcam work in previous years.

    Again falling back on the strip club analogy, in general strip club owners have seen some increases in their operating costs ( higher property taxes, higher utility bills etc. ) but the increase has been on the order of perhaps 10% per year max. And upscale strip club owners have dealt with an increasing number of 'auditioning' dancers by simply turning away a greater number of girls. In comparison, the streaming server and bandwidth costs of going from 320p to even 720p are ( 720/320 ^ 2 ) = 5.06 times as high !!! ( causing the increase in 'break even' percentage of paid sales from 5% to 25% !!! ).

    And the webcam hosts have of course failed to enact any 'auditioning' process thus allowing huge numbers of marginal camgirls to create accounts. Obviously the webcam hosts can't really do anything about the streaming server and bandwidth cost picture since it is a simple fact that more pixels means faster servers and higher bandwidth requirements. But the webcam hosts CAN introduce an 'auditioning' process to retain and encourage top performer camgirls who will earn themselves and their webcam host a nice profit, versus marginal camgirls who create financial 'losses' which subtract from the earnings potential of both the webcam host and the top performing camgirls ( part of whose earnings is currently being used to subsidize those 'losses' ).
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    Ooh Melonie.. I'm kind of happy and scared at the same time about your theory.

    I know everyone has been saying about how this new percentage function will inspire them to work harder and such, but looking at my own percentages.. it's incredibly difficult to predict how well you'll be doing from day to day. It's easy for me to say that I work just as hard every day I get on cam, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'll be getting the same amount of shows night-to-night.

    My full average seems to hover around the 40% - 55% area. I've had days when I've been in paid chat for lower than 25%. I've had days when it's been 95%. The thing which needs to be taken into account here is that this was usually an instance of me making my weekly goal JUST past midnight and then logging off. i.e. - My last private was during the crossover from 11 - midnight, which meant that that day counted as me being in private for 95%.

    I can't help but wonder how this will be executed if your theory will indeed take place at SM. If they have like bulk, percentage data for the entirety of our shows since we began which can be used to determine if they will still want us to work with them (in which case they should absolutely allow us to see that percentage), or if it will be a month-to-month assessment, or even weekly!




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    ^^^ obviously this is pure conjecture, but business logic would probably point to a month long test period and perhaps a 3 month 'rolling' average after that. This is similar to metrics currently used to gage the effectiveness of lots of 'commissioned sales' people. If a new car salesperson fails to convert X auto sales by the end of their first month, they may wind up being 'fired'. Similarly, if an experienced and previously successful car salesperson fails to convert X auto sales for a single month they may get a 'pep talk' ... but enough consecutive 'bad' months to lower their average below X during the most recent 3 months, they may wind up being 'fired' as well.


    My full average seems to hover around the 40% - 55% area. I've had days when I've been in paid chat for lower than 25%. I've had days when it's been 95%
    Every sales organization realizes that, on a given day, 'anything can happen'. But over a month's time period, it should be pretty clear whether or not a newly signed up camgirl has learned enough / has the skills / has the 'goods' to hit the break-even 25% paid sales conversion percentage during her last week of the month.

    In terms of your 40% - 55% paid sales conversion rate, which is FAR above the 'break-even' point, if the 'losses' created by marginal camgirls were removed from the equation the webcam host could still earn just as much or more money and still raise your payout percentage from the present 35% to say 40-55% !!!
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    I always love your posts, Melonie!!!

    Now I would like to ask, what is the meaning of life?

    LOL no really, I always turn to your posts for *the best* explanations of things!
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    ^^^ hey, I'm just an 'over the hill' retired dancer and camgirl with blonde hair and big boobs !!! But spending all those years in Manhattan VIP rooms listening to corporate execs, bankers, brokers, politicians, lawyers, etc. didn't go to waste either LOL !


    I'm waiting for the REASON behind this to make itself evident. I don't believe SM is just doing us a favor here. Call me a pessimist, but why would they do us any favors? They get their money either way
    Actually, business logic would dictate that a financially 'smart' webcam host has a strong interest in 'doing favors' for their top earning camgirls !!! After all, just like income taxes, a similar argument can be made that the top 50% of all camgirls provide >90% of all webcam host 'revenue', the top 10% of camgirls provide >50% of all webcam host 'revenue', and the bottom 30% of camgirls are a net financial 'drain'. Remember that the costs to the webcam host of providing a video stream to a top camgirl versus an average camgirl versus a marginal camgirl are essentially the same amount per hour regardless of whether that video stream results in a high percentage of paid sales or is almost totally used for 'free' chat. Firing the bottom 30% of camgirls would automatically increase webcam host net earnings by eliminating the financial losses to the webcam host of providing their ( mostly ) 'free' video streams.


    I would like to ask, what is the meaning of life?
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    ^^^ personally speaking, I'll keep my plastic body parts and limit 'real love' to a long weekend !!! But real friends are a different story !!!
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    Default Re: SM Ladies! What % do you spend in paid?

    SM actually ALREADY imposes a minimum % of time in chat, at 3%. That IS fairly low, but I think that 25% may be a bit high - I guess I would actually have to see the math. I'm guessing that if they have already set a minimum, that covers them. I seriously doubt that a company like SM would put themselves in a position where they would LOSE money....

    I would also wonder, like Incantatious, how it would actually work!! You would definitely need a "probationary period" when first starting, which I would think would have to be at least a month - you can't expect a girl to leap on and start making 30% or more her first week!! I would also wonder how often it would be "checked" - every session would be RIDICULOUS! Even the best of the best can have a bad day, or even a bad week - I would think that it would have to be once a month at the most...Though even with that....after a two week break, I took WEEKS to get back up to my usual money making because my placement was so badly affected....it would seem pretty harsh to take a girl who was earning at 30,40, 50%, then have her earnings drop after taking time off (vacation, operation, family situation etc) and then be FIRED if she couldn't get them back up fast enough!

    I can only imagine the sheer stress of trying to maintain a percentage at all times....ugh. Especially when you consider that someone may be making the site a lot of money without spending huge amounts of her actual time in paid chat. Tips, for one, can make you money but aren't included in %. Or, if you have someone who has a SUPER high rate, and so spends 15% of her time in paid, but makes more than someone who spends 50% in paid, but who is at 99cents a minute! On top of that, there are gold shows, which can throw that all off - only do one show an hour, you are spending very little of your time in paid chat, but if you have a high enough goal, that would balance out in terms of earnings.

    If camsites moved that way (and I would be heartbroken if they did, honestly. Especially as I don't consider myself "marginal", but I might lose my job according to your figures! I'm hardly a top girl, but I'm still earning $30-50 an hour on a regular basis, sometimes more, sometimes less, and I don't think that that is horrible!! And when you consider that I've spent a fair bit of time on the first page, I don't think SM considers me "marginal" either) I think it would make more sense to base it on average hourly income, rather than percentage in paid chat.
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    I seriously doubt that a company like SM would put themselves in a position where they would LOSE money....
    As I noted in an earlier post, this has been an 'evolution' ... caused partly by a change in streaming video standards that have vastly increased costs to a webcam host of delivering a higher resolution video stream, and partly by the poor economy prompting all sorts of girls to try their hand at camming, regardless of whether they have the skills or the 'goods' to produce a high percentage of paid sales conversions.


    Agreed that there are a lot of 'details' that go into calculating whether or not a particular camgirl is causing her webcam host to 'lose money' - with 'multiple simultaneous customer' shows presenting one problem and with 'bargain basement' camgirl rates posing a different problem. I can only assume that, before taking any 'hard' actions, that these sort of details will be better addressed by the webcam host. And yes average hourly 'revenue generation' for the webcam host, taken over a relatively long time period ( like 1 month minimum ) is the camgirl parameter that actually matters.


    Again one needs to 'wear a webcam host's shoes' in order to really grasp the situation. Camgirls have nothing invested but their time, whereas webcam hosts have invested millions of dollars in server farms plus hundreds of thousands ( if not millions ) per month in contracted internet backbone bandwidth. Webcam hosts are under no legal obligation to provide, and camgirls have no 'legal right' to receive, a video stream that costs more to provide than it produces in return.

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    In my opinion, marginal ones or not, guys love variety. And those nice numbers showing the girls online include the so-called marginal ones too. They might not make huuuuge profit for the site, but with their presence guys are like: "ooooo yea, 1300 girls to choose from, wonderful!"

    And I second ManyRoses. %s tell so little. Like there is chickA and chickB. Both of them works 100 minutes. A spends 40 minutes in private, B spends 20. A charges 0.99 B 4.99. Which one is more profitable for the site? Hrmm.. and it has nothing to do with the %.

    We can vision house fee's, auditions, marginal girls fired and stuff. But hey, camming is not stripping. Yea sex industry but different.

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    ^^^ personally speaking, I would support a 'house fee' approach ... increase the percentage payout from 35% up to say 70%, but also start charging camgirls $10 an hour for every hour they are signed on !!! Just like the strip clubs, if a marginal dancer / camgirl fails to make enough paid sales to cover her 'house fee' she loses money. If she doesn't have a 'positive balance', she must pony up additional money out of her own pocket if she wants to get back onstage / on camera the following night / week / month ! This business model would do away with all of the statistics tracking, would accurately reflect the hourly costs of providing a video stream to all camgirls, and would immediately stop the practice of 'overcharging' top earning camgirls in order to subsidize losses created by marginal camgirls.


    And those nice numbers showing the girls online include the so-called marginal ones too. They might not make huuuuge profit for the site, but with their presence guys are like: "ooooo yea, 1300 girls to choose from, wonderful!"
    Trust me, 1000 HOT girls versus 1300 girls, of which 300 are marginal, will attract more webcam customers !!! You're attempting to make a 'volume' argument, versus my argument that 'quality' trumps 'quantity' as long as there are lots more dancers / camgirls than there are free spending strip club / webcam customers at a given moment. This has been proven over and over again in the strip club business model ( i.e. Penthouse Club versus the 'Pink Lounge' ), and will probably be proven yet again by the first webcam host that attempts it.
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    ^^^ This is something that I think we are always going to disagree on!! If you are going to take a house fee, then I want a LOT more than 50%!! The clubs I worked in took anywhere from 10-25%. So SURE, if you are going to take a house fee and give me 75%+, I'm all for it!

    But taking 50% + AND a house fee? Fuck that!!

    Also - I just hate the concept of it!!! I would much rather take a lower percentage and not have to deal with the stress- I will HAPPILY pay a premium for a nice relaxed life!
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    Default Re: SM Ladies! What % do you spend in paid?

    I think most of the girls would think the same, and just move to somewhere where they don't have to pay. Also only the fucking brave new ones would sign up. There are too many sites to choose from, to come up with deadly moves like this.

    Edit: + there are already sites with 60ish %s around, and they STILL making profit. Probably not too little. So why the hell would Streamate(30-35%) need house fees to keep going?

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    ^^^ well again, from the clubowner / webcam host standpoint, Penthouse / Scores etc. are perfectly content to allow marginal dancers to move to other clubs ... and take their 'bargain hunting' customers with them !!! On the flip side, top earning camgirls on other webcam sites, like top earning dancers in other clubs, will eventually realize that paying a sizeable house fee in exchange for access to free spending customers that appreciate 'quality' nets them higher earnings despite the house fee.

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    On the other hand if you check these exclusive sites, because there are sites like that out there, with "audition", and strict requirements for appearance, time spent online, longer time spent in paid chat etc. they are not as popular as the sites that let anyone join, and mostly they are just considered "sucky" "slow" "annoying" "time wasting" by great camgirls, who do very very well on the "normal" sites.

    Edit: as for popular I mean the traffic-wise too not only the girls.

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    I think it would be hard to have less than 25% percentage in paid chat. . looking back at my absolute worst, worst day and it hovers around 30%.

    I always wondered why new model sign ups were so encouraged. . but doesn't Streamate get some kind of financial reward for model signups or something?

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    I had a 9% day. I was only on for an hour and it was an anomaly but it can happen.

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    Here are some REAL numbers. My rolling 4 week average for % spent in paid = 26.25%. Am I ashamed? Not one iota. I make money. They take 80%. I very much doubt that the thousands they have profited off of my business has been just enough to cover streaming costs, etc. Do I make $1000 a week? No. Do I earn a regular girl living (no BS nails, hair, bling, large amounts spent at adult book stores, fancy car, all that crap)? Yes.

    I have had 11% days and a 49% day (not inflated for ego, happened one time). I refuse to give things away in FREE chat. I do not offer $1.99 exclusives. I do not do anal. I am a newer BBW and I can usually be found on the first page. If a company as well equipped as SM cannot afford to have a girl like myself, or others who do not hit the coveted % spent in paid, then why would I want to work for said company?

    They can have their top tier superbabes and pornstars. So when the field gets narrowed, you can compete with each other. You wont have us fat hogs to make you look better. Industry pro's were amateur at one time as well.
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