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    Hello there girls!! Happy Friday!!
    This post is about my so far big fail comeback to Streamate after like a yr away...
    I used to cam in the am ( last yr) and I had 2 pretty good weeks but then pretty quickly it got slow as hell and full of freeloaders or rude guys ( this way before the party chat and the gold shows)
    I was talking to Nina ( camwhore here), she told me she was doing pretty well there, etc so I decided to give it a try since I m sick of indy sites with no traffic and guys wasting my time 80 % of the time....

    Last night it s been a week since I came back, I ve made, including today about 120 bucks only.... ( My exclusive rate is 4.04 x min, I do phone there and toys), I know some girls here charge more but since it s like starting over for me there I don t wanna charge more than 4 or so...
    Anyways, the biggest problem is, I don t get much traffic in my room ( it s empty 95 % of the time ( I ve been working Mon to Fri between 8 pm and midnight est), I worked earlier today cause it s been SO DEAD during the week because of the stupid playoffs ( Damn u hockey and NBA games...) and I had a couple short pvts but that was it.....

    The only day is wasnt slow was Sunday morning, yeah, that used to be my best day there and still is... guess the guys who didn t get laid on Sat night wake up super horny on Sunday cause that s the day I was the most busy and with more traffic in the room...

    My internet speed is not the best ( I have 6 MB) but it s not the worst, have an HD cam ( Logitech c910) and most of the guys who enter my room leave before I can say hello....
    I don t know if they see a black screen and that s why they leave or what....
    I always wear make up, smile and say to every guy who comes in....

    So my question is:
    WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG?????????????

    Almost 50 % of those 120 I ve made so far I made it on Sunday morning, that means that between Monday and today, I ve made nothing or lil money....

    I don t consider myself a playboy bunny or anything like that but I think I m not horrible and I ve done much better the first time I was there or in other sites.

    I always hear so many girls talking great things about Streamate and I wonder if it s me or the site....

    I understand that I need to spend more time on pvt in order to get a better placement ( I must be on the last page now who knows) but how am I gonna get that time on PVT if guys leave my room after 1/2 second?????

    Did any of u had this issue when u started?? were guys so rude to leave without saying hello?????????

    I m gonna give it 2 or 3 more weeks at the most but I cannot spend 25 hours x week on a site and make 100 and struggle so much to do it....

    We ll see what happens... I m thinking to go back to the AM again since there s less girls on and it used to be " somewhat" better for me in the past...

    Any thoughts????

    Thanks for reading girls, I ve been doing this for yrs but like every site is different I wanna make sure I m doing things right to fit in there and make some $$.

    Have a great weekend!!

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    It's not you. I've said it once and I'll say it a thousand more; the current camming world set up is failing. Period.

    How much free shit can everyone give away, how much money can we lose on free bandwidth for the freeloaders, on free shows for the freeloaders and how low can we go before we get it?
    Ya know, what really sucks is the amount of girls who are complacent and say, "this is how it is lets work with it". How about we actually be proactive for once..

    I remember when we as a group we told ifriends, if they don't stop banning girls for stupid shit, if they don't correct customer support, if they dont listen to us we'll put them out of business because without US, the camgirls, they don't have a site. WE put ifriends pretty much out of business and they are less than a shell of what they could be. WTF happened to that spirit?

    Amanda offered a free cam meeting among cam girls. Why not take advantage of the opportunity and and BE what you talk and GET what you are asking for?

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    Hi there!! Yeah I wish we could do something about it.
    One thing I believe is not good for the girls who don t do partychat or goldshows ( I would love to do partychat but with an empty room....lol how the hell am I gonna reach my goal???????????
    I ve been getting a few cheap asses asking me why i don t do gold shows, they r like " why don t u do that, those r cheaper""...................................
    Of course all they think about is to cum for 1 buck, the thing is again, since I m returning after such a long time and I have an empty room how am I gonna pull off a gold show or something similar??
    Maybe gold shows shouldn t be the in the first place because with so many cheapos around that, if they can get a cum show for 1, 2 or 5 bucks and they gotta pay me 4.00 x min??? well of course they r gonna choose the gold show...

    I was away when they implemented these gold shows and party chat, it should had stayed the regular way I think, free chat , exclusive and premium.....

    We ll see how things go, I might have to start split camming in a few sites at once, I cannot waste my time like this on Streamate anymore....


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    I'm not a streamate pro, but if you are using your old account after months and monts of break, you probably lost all your regulars already, and you are buried somewhere on the last pages. Why not delete it and start it from all over? You'd have the new girl promotion to work with at least.

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    Gold shows = giving the absolute MOST of what you can give while getting the very LEAST amount in return.

    What part of, "I turned off my exclusive chat and am charging a flat rate of $6.99/min and am getting it" is not clear? I even did a show with multiples.

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    If a man wants something he'll pay for it. No matter what price. Period.

    I am SO fucking sick of the free shit.

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    The problem is there s not many guys willing to pay for a decent exclusive.....
    They r cheap asses I know and if u have girls doing gold shows for 1 buck well....
    Yeah I could do that, delete my account and start all over but u think it s worth the try???
    I understand I must be on the last pages but so when u r new your placement is better like that??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glasses View Post
    I'm not a streamate pro, but if you are using your old account after months and monts of break
    I was going to suggest the same thing. After a long break, and with so many chicas on the site, the 'new girl' tag will help you get the guys into your room so they can find out how awesome you are You'll be featured on the 'new girl' listings, which are much shorter than the listings of chicas online at any given time.

    Honestly, though, I don't think one week on an old account is enough time to find out how you'll do on any site (assuming said site has paying traffic, as does sm) so split-camming makes sense, if you want to keep your old account and build regs as you go.

    Regarding the state of camming, I don't know if your experience has anything to do with camming as it is being a 'failing industry', as cvarga stated. Sure there's things that we would all like to change, and no doubt camming as an industry will keep changing. I do think we as cam chicas do have some agency in that, as we essentially ARE the product, and our best customers are loyal to us, and wherever WE go, but I wouldn't count on the planned camgirl chat having much positive effect, in that the effort is being co-ordinated by someone who has probably lost whatever credibility they had with sm (assuming they ever did)

    The way for any of us to succeed in camming is to position ourselves as best as possible (and a new account can help with that) to make as much $$$$ as possible, and also adapt our game to whatever circumstance we find ourselves in. If you've been doing mostly indy, I'm not surprised there's a bit of a curve re-entering free chat style-I'm sure by now I would flounder initially if I tried sm, even though I do really well in my chosen niche.

    Mix things up a little, including times/days, like you've been doing, and the paying guys will come. Split cam or try out a new site in the meantime. The $$$$$ is there, you just have to find it

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    Making a new account isn't going to automatically solve the problem. Yah, it will put you back on the "new models" page temporarily, but then what? If you don't change how you are approaching this, it won't matter. You'll fade off the new models page and end up right back where you are now.

    Gold shows aren't going anywhere - they are here to stay. There will always be guys that will want the cheap shows, and there will always be girls doing shows for cheap - gold show or no gold show.

    You're absolutely right when you say that if a man wants it, he'll pay for it. I recently upped my exclusive rate from $5.99/min to $6.49/min and plan to move it again in a few weeks to $6.99/min. I have seen no drop in exclusive sessions, and my regulars have not said a word about this increase. If they want it, they will pay for it.

    The days of any 'ol model logging on and making a quick buck are over. Sorry. No amount of "meetings" or "new sites" or complaining is going to change this fact. This is no longer an industry for "everyone", and I think that is what is so hard for people to accept. No one wants to think that they might not have what it takes to make money in this industry anymore. You have to compete and you have to be on top of your game, or you will get left behind. And like I said, it's not changing any time soon. If anything it will get harder and harder.

    If you don't like gold shows and the atmosphere they have created, maybe try out a site that does not have that sort of option? Cams.com is a good choice. I split cam there, and the traffic is no where near SM's level, but it's not as bad as say ifriends or livejasmin.
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    You may want to delete your old account and start off fresh! Are you using the HD Encoder? That will also help with placement. If you took months off, it's going to take more than a week to get back on. After all, maybe SM isn't for you?
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    Thank you girls so much for all the tips and advice
    It s true, one week is not enough time to say " this site sucks or something like that"
    I ll keep on trying for a couple more weeks, change my schedule, try different times and see what works best for me.
    When I used to cam there last yr, mornings were pretty good, it went bad the last couple weeks and that s why I left, but one thing is for sure, there are way less girls on in the AM and I used to get a few european guys or australian guys and that was good.

    We ll see what happens, I ll give u an update in about 2 weeks to see if things had improved, if not I ll try doing a new account.

    About the competition and all that I agree 100 %, there s soooooooooooo many cam girls out there, lots of them are drop dead gorgeous or have a great personality and in the other hand, all those tube sites with free porn or sites like MFC with girls doing sooo much on free chat when u don thave to register to enter the room.. well all that makes it even harder, but it s not impossible.

    I gotta keep trying, I might retire from camming this yr but I would like to do some decent money til then..( been doing it for 4 yrs now and I don t enjoy it as much as I used to, probably that shows too at some point and that s not good for getting guys into pvt chat I know...

    Thanks for all the help!!

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    @ Marina,
    Yeah I ve been using the encoder most of the time, I didn t know that affects the placement as well.. it s good to know, I ll use it every time from now on.
    If streamate is for me or not???? mmmm who knows... I cannot tell yet, I think I need to stay there for a few more weeks to realize that.
    And yes, def, not all sites are for all cam girls and not all cam girls are for every site, I ve worked in soooooooooooo many places and I totally get your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    It's not you. I've said it once and I'll say it a thousand more; the current camming world set up is failing. Period.

    How much free shit can everyone give away, how much money can we lose on free bandwidth for the freeloaders, on free shows for the freeloaders and how low can we go before we get it?
    Ya know, what really sucks is the amount of girls who are complacent and say, "this is how it is lets work with it". How about we actually be proactive for once..
    YES! We need to be pro-active. I think the thing about camming nowdays is that we want to earn the most money whilst doing the least amount of work, sadly.

    In the old days, when camgirls were more of a rarity, there was much more traffic because we were "new" - guys would flock. These days, we have to work harder for our traffic, but please don't take that as the camworld as failing. Basically: We've just become more responsible for getting traffic and keeping it coming with regular work and advertising.

    And so, I think, without any hard feeling, I'd take issue with saying "it's not you"... She's been off SM for ages and therefore lost her fanbase and (very likely) her placement. This is why she isn't doing so well.

    There are a tonload of girls who are still doing very well, and it's largely due to how hard they work. We're all responsible for how well we do. Yes, we'll still have good days and bad days, but overall it's still absolutely possible to do well on camsites if you put the necessary work into it, and, on certain sites, that is very do-able if you even do so much as set yourself a schedule and STICK TO IT. Atop of that, get yourself a Twitter, advertise your shows on there, building external fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melanielive View Post
    @ Marina,
    Yeah I ve been using the encoder most of the time, I didn t know that affects the placement as well.. it s good to know, I ll use it every time from now on.
    If streamate is for me or not???? mmmm who knows... I cannot tell yet, I think I need to stay there for a few more weeks to realize that.
    And yes, def, not all sites are for all cam girls and not all cam girls are for every site, I ve worked in soooooooooooo many places and I totally get your point.
    SM has confirmed many times that using the HD encoder will increase your placement, so I suggest using that 100% of the time and double, triple checking that your settings are exactly how they show you to put them in the tutorial.
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    Yes, encoder does help with placement! I have only been camming for over 3 months and there are days I want to just quit so I totally empathize with you!
    I'm just thankful this is only my side job so I haven't put that much effort into it. I'm happy with making an extra $1000 a month which I have made more.

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    @ Marina,
    Yeah I ve been using the encoder most of the time, I didn t know that affects the placement as well.. it s good to know, I ll use it every time from now on.
    If streamate is for me or not???? mmmm who knows... I cannot tell yet, I think I need to stay there for a few more weeks to realize that.
    And yes, def, not all sites are for all cam girls and not all cam girls are for every site, I ve worked in soooooooooooo many places and I totally get your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    Gold shows = giving the absolute MOST of what you can give while getting the very LEAST amount in return.
    Ehh, I don't really agree with this.
    It's up to you, the model, as to what kind of profit you are going to pull in from a Gold Show. If you have a low goal, then yes, you're going to get a small amount in return.
    If you set a high goal and make those f*ckers reach it, though, you can bring in a lot more money in a lot less time (while doing a lot less work) than you would if you were just doing exclusives/premiums, even at high rates..
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    Hi there girly!!
    Yes I have a twitter and I promote a lot!! Every time I enter streamate I tweet about it, streamate rt me and I use tumblr as well.
    I usually post a pic ( I know guys r visual creatures lol) and say something like " Click on the pic to create an account for free and talk to me live, bla bla bla
    Again, I understand one week is very lil time, I won t know how things really are until 3 weeks or so.
    I ll keep working and trying, hopefully things will get better, I know I gotta be patient with this and that s something I gotta work on, I m a gemini, I want things to work quickly all the time and that doesn t happen all the time...lol

    Thanks for the help girls, I appreciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    Making a new account isn't going to automatically solve the problem. Yah, it will put you back on the "new models" page temporarily, but then what? If you don't change how you are approaching this, it won't matter. You'll fade off the new models page and end up right back where you are now.

    Gold shows aren't going anywhere - they are here to stay. There will always be guys that will want the cheap shows, and there will always be girls doing shows for cheap - gold show or no gold show.

    You're absolutely right when you say that if a man wants it, he'll pay for it. I recently upped my exclusive rate from $5.99/min to $6.49/min and plan to move it again in a few weeks to $6.99/min. I have seen no drop in exclusive sessions, and my regulars have not said a word about this increase. If they want it, they will pay for it.

    The days of any 'ol model logging on and making a quick buck are over. Sorry. No amount of "meetings" or "new sites" or complaining is going to change this fact. This is no longer an industry for "everyone", and I think that is what is so hard for people to accept. No one wants to think that they might not have what it takes to make money in this industry anymore. You have to compete and you have to be on top of your game, or you will get left behind. And like I said, it's not changing any time soon. If anything it will get harder and harder.

    If you don't like gold shows and the atmosphere they have created, maybe try out a site that does not have that sort of option? Cams.com is a good choice. I split cam there, and the traffic is no where near SM's level, but it's not as bad as say ifriends or livejasmin.
    Sarahtime, I absolutely adore you and love watching you grow.

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    @Peaches well yeah I know what u mean, I saw a girl with a 300.00 goal the other night and she made it in like 20 or 30 mins ( of course she gets only 35 % but still...)
    but since I left for so long and my placement must be pretty bad at the moment, I don t have enough traffic in my room to do a gold show or partychat...
    Once I have a few regulars then yes I will probably try, but to try now would be pointless I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachesxo View Post
    Ehh, I don't really agree with this.
    It's up to you, the model, as to what kind of profit you are going to pull in from a Gold Show. If you have a low goal, then yes, you're going to get a small amount in return.
    If you set a high goal and make those f*ckers reach it, though, you can bring in a lot more money in a lot less time (while doing a lot less work) than you would if you were just doing exclusives/premiums, even at high rates..
    It really boils down to how ya swing it.
    You are serving 50 guys for the price of 1.

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    Basically it works well for a model who s popular and has a lot of regulars and guys in her room but somehow it might hurt other cam girls who are doing regular chat or have higher rates.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    YES! We need to be pro-active. I think the thing about camming nowdays is that we want to earn the most money whilst doing the least amount of work, sadly.

    In the old days, when camgirls were more of a rarity, there was much more traffic because we were "new" - guys would flock. These days, we have to work harder for our traffic, but please don't take that as the camworld as failing. Basically: We've just become more responsible for getting traffic and keeping it coming with regular work and advertising.

    And so, I think, without any hard feeling, I'd take issue with saying "it's not you"... She's been off SM for ages and therefore lost her fanbase and (very likely) her placement. This is why she isn't doing so well.

    There are a tonload of girls who are still doing very well, and it's largely due to how hard they work. We're all responsible for how well we do. Yes, we'll still have good days and bad days, but overall it's still absolutely possible to do well on camsites if you put the necessary work into it, and, on certain sites, that is very do-able if you even do so much as set yourself a schedule and STICK TO IT. Atop of that, get yourself a Twitter, advertise your shows on there, building external fans.

    melanielive - Keep it up and things WILL start looking up!
    We were never a rarity. Before network cam sites we were using cam to cam software. There were always couples and solo's giving it away for "free" the only difference back then was there was a catch and I'm not dumb enough to hand feed anyone the catch because I still use much of that "old school" philosophy today. Unfortunately today there seems to be less and less of the use of catch and more and more the waste of free.

    I took 12 years off and do no self promotion. I'm also what cam girls love to call the undesirable MILF. Trust me when I say I am not suffering. I can make $80/hr or $300/day with the best of them. My only complaint is FREE is given a whole new meaning in today's camming world.

    This industry has so much more potential than what is it getting. It breaks my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    We were never a rarity. Before network cam sites we were using cam to cam software. There were always couples and solo's giving it away for "free" the only difference back then was there was a catch and I'm not dumb enough to hand feed anyone the catch because I still use much of that "old school" philosophy today. Unfortunately today there seems to be less and less of the use of catch and more and more the waste of free.

    I took 12 years off and do no self promotion. I'm also what cam girls love to call the undesirable MILF. Trust me when I say I am not suffering.

    This industry has so much more potential than what is it getting. It breaks my heart.
    I get your point about never being a rarity. I think perhaps a more appropriate way of putting is basically the industry has flooded? Or, there's never been more camgirls, and girls flaunting their goods online than there is right now? We still have to work harder. And I am of the belief that niches tend to do better. I'd say that a part of my own niche is what has brought me in more traffic than I had before. I'm clinging onto niches for as long as I can, that's for sure.




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    Default Re: Streamate.... What am I doing wrong????????????????????????? WTH

    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    I get your point about never being a rarity. I think perhaps a more appropriate way of putting is basically the industry has flooded? Or, there's never been more camgirls, and girls flaunting their goods online than there is right now? We still have to work harder. And I am of the belief that niches tend to do better. I'd say that a part of my own niche is what has brought me in more traffic than I had before. I'm clinging onto niches for as long as I can, that's for sure.
    It's not that there's more girls, it's that more girls are willing to give it all away free. Most of them don't realize that they can get paid for what they are doing in free chat.

    I'm going to pose a challenge. Thread upcoming.

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