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    The girl's job is to make you think she enjoys giving you a dance. My experience has told me the girls really don't like it and drink/do drugs to desensitize themselves while doing something they'd really rather not be doing. Being drunk or high is not much more than making it a little easier to deal with, not unlike the way man and women alike deal with stress in general.
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    I've given it alot of though and I'm going play a mix of trusting my judgement while acknowldging that I'm not thier babysitter and only they can determined how much is too much, unless its obvious they're totalled and can't consert. It comes down to basic trust.

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    ^Trust shouldn't really enter into the equation where strangers are concerned. I mean, is anything going on in a stripclub really about trust?

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    When I was exposed to the ideas of a classical philospher who suggested that to be good means at times one must be vulnerable. Being Vulnerable in this case means taking a risk and,trusting people. Its something I believe within reason and yes it means I get play as a sucker at times, but its also benifited me at times too and I also believe its the right thing to do. Again within reason.

    But yeah trust is important in a stripclub, I'm trusting her to bite me, I'm trusting that she is a grown woman can make her own dicisions and can consent, I'm trusting that she's not going to try and blackmail me and up count, and I trust when cynasism would provide me with zero benifits and I trust in my own judgement.

    You might not realize it, but you trust your customers and the people you work with in some ways and of course you trust yourself. There can be no social interactions with out some small trust, even if its dwarf by mistrust.

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    Unfortunately, FWIW, strip clubs are way more about mutual exploitation than they are about mutual trust, OP
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Unfortunately, FWIW, strip clubs are way more about mutual exploitation than they are about mutual trust, OP
    Here we go again - LOL

    I've always wondered what happened to you to make you like this. But anyway...

    So is it your contention that seasoned customers and dancers are intentionally subjecting themselves to exploitation? Or are we all just too naive or dumb to understand what is happening to us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I've always wondered what happened to you to make you like this. But anyway...

    So is it your contention that seasoned customers and dancers are intentionally subjecting themselves to exploitation? Or are we all just too naive or dumb to understand what is happening to us?
    Bottom line, both parties are there because the other party has something they want. The men want the attention,the dances, or in some cases, the OTC. The women want the money they can earn by providing that which they are willing to provide to the men. its a business operation. Its a beautiful capitalist model where both sides are engaging in the business of getting what they are looking for by providing what the other side is looking for. In other words, mutual exploitation is taking place.

    its not terribly unlike the fact that people pay me to teach them math or golf because they want me to share what I know. I teach them what i can because i want the money they're willing to pay.

    What parts of any of these observations do you disagree with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Bottom line, both parties are there because the other party has something they want. The men want the attention,the dances, or in some cases, the OTC. The women want the money they can earn by providing that which they are willing to provide to the men. its a business operation. Its a beautiful capitalist model where both sides are engaging in the business of getting what they are looking for by providing what the other side is looking for. In other words, mutual exploitation is taking place.

    its not terribly unlike the fact that people pay me to teach them math or golf because they want me to share what I know. I teach them what i can because i want the money they're willing to pay.

    What parts of any of these observations do you disagree with?
    Huh? You just made the argument that every commercial transaction between two people is "mutual exploitation", and then you ended your post with "What parts of any of these observations do you disagree with?" as if your logic was incontrovertible. LOL. Bem, this is loopy even by your standards.

    I realize that there are more marginally benign definitions of exploitation as it relates to the use of land or natural resources, though even then it has a shady connotation, but as it relates to interactions between people the term typically refers to the unfair treatment of someone, or the use of a situation in a way that is wrong, in order to get some benefit for yourself.

    I don't feel exploited when I go to a strip club. If she provides a service that I value, then I pay her. It is a win-win. Nobody is treated unfairly or misused. Similarly, neither you nor your student is being exploited when you teach him to golf. He picks up valuable knowledge about how to play the game and you get paid.

    Though I have to say that I don't buy that you were trying to use the term, albeit inaccurately, in a benign way as it relates to SCs. You have some hangup about clubs and the dancers that work in them and I strongly suspect that you feel that you have been exploited, as the term was meant to be applied, by dancers at some point in the past. It comes through in many of your posts.

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    Default Re: Strippers that enjoy giving lapsdances drunk or stoned

    I wrote this post before Rick posted his reply, above, but I think the point is still relevant:

    In U.K. English there has been a long tradition of using "mutual exploitation" in commerce to represent something approaching a fair transaction -- partially coming out of Marx's concept of "mutual exploitation" and partially from British political philosophy. This usage sometimes dribbles into U.S. English through the social sciences and that appears to be how you are using it here.

    In colloquial U.S. English, though, "exploitation" can be only be positive when referring to things like oil reserves and natural resources and other inanimate objects.

    When referring to people and other animate objects, "exploitation" in the U.S. is always selfish, usually unfair, and designed to unjustly enrich the exploiting side at the expense of the exploited one. That's also what gives rise to related words like "sexploitation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Huh? You just made the argument that every commercial transaction between two people is "mutual exploitation", and then you ended your post with "What parts of any of these observations do you disagree with?" as if your logic was incontrovertible. LOL. Bem, this is loopy even by your standards.

    I realize that there are more marginally benign definitions of exploitation as it relates to the use of land or natural resources, though even then it has a shady connotation, but as it relates to interactions between people the term typically refers to the unfair treatment of someone, or the use of a situation in a way that is wrong, in order to get some benefit for yourself.

    I don't feel exploited when I go to a strip club. If she provides a service that I value, then I pay her. It is a win-win. Nobody is treated unfairly or misused. Similarly, neither you nor your student is being exploited when you teach him to golf. He picks up valuable knowledge about how to play the game and you get paid.

    Though I have to say that I don't buy that you were trying to use the term, albeit inaccurately, in a benign way as it relates to SCs. You have some hangup about clubs and the dancers that work in them and I strongly suspect that you feel that you have been exploited, as the term was meant to be applied, by dancers at some point in the past. It comes through in many of your posts.
    You are allowing your preconceived notion of "exploitation" to color your view. Exploiting a situation means simply using a situation to what you see as your benefit or even advantage. It is the basis of every commercial transaction ..... each side has what the other wants so they do business. That is exactly what is going on in a club. Like BOTM said, clubs have very little to do with trust. I added they are a lot more about both dancers and customers deriving what they want from them as opposed to building trust. Like you said its a win-win situation, though I'll qualify that by saying "most of the time".

    Personally, I have no hang-up about clubs. They have just pretty much outlived their usefulness to me and i grew tired of them. The only exploitation I endured while an active customer was exactly what I described in the prior post...the mutual exploitation inherent in such a place. I spent quite a bit of money getting the attention and dances I wanted and the girls provided the attention and dances i wanted for the money I was happy to spend.

    In any event, this thread isn't about me....

    Just to respond to AGT's post, IMO, people exploit (or use) their skills/attributes/position to benefit themselves when they see fit.
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    ^ "Exploitation" in the U.S. does not mean what you are trying to make it mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Good Things View Post
    ^ "Exploitation" in the U.S. does not mean what you are trying to make it mean.
    But "mutual exploitation" means exactly what you said in your prior post. It was the way I used it. And it was the way I was introduced to it in undergrad and grad school. It refers to impersonal business transactions where both sides are looking to maximize their benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    ... Or are we all just too naive or dumb to understand what is happening to us?
    There is another explanation, which is, you simply may not have other options, i.e., women probably do not find you attractive. There are lots of guys like that who cannot find sexual attention for free.

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    ^ What works in grad school does not work on the street or in a strip club, or on a site about strip clubs. "Exploitation" in all those places always means one side punishing the other.

    I'm sure you must know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Good Things View Post
    ^ What works in grad school does not work on the street or in a strip club, or on a site about strip clubs. "Exploitation" in all those places always means one side punishing the other.

    I'm sure you must know this.

    Erudition is like magic -- it only counts when it doesn't show.
    Point taken, but the term i used was "mutual exploitation" . RD dropped the "mutual" .

    In any event.....=

    Definition of Exploitation


    Exploitation
    The act of exploiting or utilizing.


    Related Definitions:
    Act, Of, Or, The, Utilizing


    Exploitation Quotations
    Almost all of our relationships begin and most of them continue as forms of mutual exploitation, a mental or physical barter, to be terminated when one or both parties run out of goods.
    W. H. Auden

    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/words/ex/...6WMA5SggY60.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    The bottom line is that when you first used the term, you used it following the word "unfortunately," implying that it was the "bad" type of exploitation and not the "good"/capitalist/mutual gain/proper term you learned in grad school.
    No, the "unfortunately" was directed at the lack of trust you commented on. In other words, these places exist for the sake of business, not the sake of building the trust and relationships the OP spoke of.
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    ^ Auden was born and educated in Britain (also, he's being ironic).

    In U.S. colloquial usage we do not use "mutual exploitation" to refer to relationships unless we are being smartasses about relationships.
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    Well, if it makes you feel better to think the guys aren't there strictly to get something from the girls and the girls aren't there strictly to get something from the guys, be my guest.
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    ^ Of course the customers are there for the dancers, and the dancers for the money.

    I just see more virtue in the transaction than you do. I think both leave the club enriched -- dancers literally, customers figuratively.

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    ^ I said nothing to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Well, if it makes you feel better to think the guys aren't there strictly to get something from the girls and the girls aren't there strictly to get something from the guys, be my guest.
    When I visit the stylist for a haircut, we are both there to get something from the other as well. Unless she intentionally gave me a bad cut, overcharged me, or did something else to take advantage of me, then her actions certainly wouldn't qualify as "exploitation" as the term is normally applied. The same holds true for my actions unless I intentionally shorted her on the payment or did something else to take advantage of her.

    I won't go any further on that front because I think that AGT did an excellent job of covering the definitional and common usage issues, but all of this is just tap dancing on your part anyway. Given your posting history, I sincerely doubt that you intended to use the term in any benign way. Your ongoing bitterness relating to the time that you were a - *gasp* - customer is well chronicled on here. IMHO the posts in which you debate the meaning of "exploitation" represent nothing more than a passive-aggressive attempt to avoid defending a negative comment relating to customer/dancer interactions.

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    ^You pay the stylist because she'll cut your hair. She'll cut your hair because you pay her money.

    People pay me money because I give instruction. I give instruction because they pay me to do that.

    Dancers entertain guys because guys pay them. Guys pay dancers because dancers entertain them.

    All symbiotic relationships and examples of mutual exploitation. Your problem isn't with what I said, it's with the fact that I said it.

    There's nothing necessarily sinister about "mutual exploitation". Its a fact of everyday life.

    Finally, I have no bitterness about my time as a customer. I'm still friendly with several of the people I met back then. The clubs just stopped working for me. And one more time, this thread's not about me.
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    ^Are you seriously still doing this tapdance?

    Dude, we all knew exactly what you meant when you used the term. Your feelings on this topic are not exactly a mystery around here. In recent weeks, you've done everything from describe the interactions between dancers and customers as a chess match to expressing disdain for customers who spend good chunks of money on strippers instead of using it for something else, among many other things. You even recently took an inordinant amount of pleasure in coming down hard on a dancer that you felt was trying to hustle you by sitting next to you when you were visiting a club with friends.

    Your rearguard attempt to obfuscate the meaning of your post is not fooling anyone. The only thing that confuses me is why you continue to do so.

    For that matter, since you don't frequent clubs anymore and obviously hold the whole customer/dancer dynamic in disdain, I have often wondered about what you get from posting on this site at all, but there it is.
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    ^^Yet again, this thread is not about me. "Mutual exploitation" is what it is. You apparently have a problem with the "exploitation" part of the phrase despite having it clarified for you that it means nothing more than "utilization". Rather than concede that utilization is taking place in strip clubs, you wander off-topic into personal attacks. I'm doing no tap-dance, I stand by my observation that both parties are there strictly to derive something from each other. What's so bad about that? It's the nature of all business transactions. To deny this is what takes place is to delude one's self, which was the thrust of my response to the OP..

    BTW, I didn't come down hard on a dancer who tried to hustle me, I came down hard on a dancer who came down hard on me for declining her offer. But again, I reiterate, this thread isn't about me.
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    ^okay bem, I'm not going to argue with you any more. You'll just continue to deny that you meant anything derogatory by the comment, despite all evidence to the contrary.

    Besides, soon enough, I'll get another bite at the apple when you post your next negative comment about club dynamics, dancer approaches or customer behavior and then, once called on it, pretend, yet again, that you were not being critical.

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