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    Dizzy TIME magazine Breastfeeding Scandal

    I don't get it. I never understood why breastfeeding was considered untoward. For some reason, this cover story from time magazine keeps invading every news site and news show.

    cover: http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16...120521,00.html
    controversy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1506096.html


    It's not that big of a deal. We evolved with boobs to feed kids. The backlash confuses me to no end... I just don't get it. I grew up in a country where breastfeeding was de rigueur. Why is it considered so unseemly in the USA?
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    One of the reasons the USA is weird on breastfeeding is because of the Puritan history. Also, in the USA the breasts are objectified as sexual objects, not as food sources. Yet of course for hundreds of years that is how babies were fed. I will say though I feel that kid is too old to be still breastfeeding. I understand nursing until about 1 or so because the benefits are good, but afterwards the doctors say there aren't a lot of benefits. There is a disturbing video on YouTube about this mom breastfeeding her 8 year old daughter and that is troubling to say the least.

    Breast versus bottle is one of the great controversies in the USA with both extremes really causing trouble. While it is generally said breast is best (especially in cases where the mom is healthy and eats healthy)it's not for all women and some breast feeding advocates go too far as well by attacking bottle feeding moms. On the other hand women who breastfeed in public often get nasty comments and stares and that's not cool either. I don't have kids so no idea what I would do, but I find interesting is my more educated friends breastfed while my friends who weren't as educated did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    One of the reasons the USA is weird on breastfeeding is because of the Puritan history.
    I though Puritans were anti-wet-nurses and pro-breastfeeding. Meaning they advocated that mothers should nurse their own kids.

    But yeah... I thought science would have removed any stigma by now.


    You mention that ladies that breastfeed in public get nasty comments and stares?!?!? That's horrible. I can't imagine why someone would be so rude.
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    ^^^Yeah but the Puritan heritage is what fuels this perverse fear of nudity. It makes me sick that people even care about this kind of thing anymore, but it's not going away anytime soon I fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    I though Puritans were anti-wet-nurses and pro-breastfeeding. Meaning they advocated that mothers should nurse their own kids.

    But yeah... I thought science would have removed any stigma by now.


    You mention that ladies that breastfeed in public get nasty comments and stares?!?!? That's horrible. I can't imagine why someone would be so rude.
    I'm sure they did, but probably in the privacy of their own homes. If I'm not mistaken back then even pregnant women had to be in seclusion because of the stigma, which is rather odd.

    Yeah I've seen women who nursed get comments and stares. I do sort understand when it comes to those women (a small minority)who are open about it, meaning you can see everything. That does make some people question things. However when women are discreetly nursing (and most are)I don't get the weird stares and comments. My own mom will see women breastfeeding and will say things like "that's gross". I don't get why a woman would feel that way but she comes from the generation that generally didn't breastfeed, especially if you could afford formula. Either way I don't stare or make comments, except if it's a woman close to me I might ask questions about it. This is because as a non mom I have no first hand experience about being pregnant or giving birth so it's something I am curious about.

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    Default Re: TIME magazine Breastfeeding Scandal

    The controversy is not over breastfeeding itself, or even the public perception of nudity -- it's over breastfeeding toddlers at an advanced age.

    The point is made in the Time magazine story by the cover photo of a child standing and nursing with the mother barely having to bend down at all.

    This practice has gone on for a long time in some religions -- I remember my own mother rolling her eyes about our Mormon neighbors nursing their 6-year-old kids, who would run up to their mothers at random times of day and latch on for "snacks."

    The current "controversy" seems to be over whether this hyper-parenting is good for the children, or just an affect of their parents' guilt.

    The fact that it seems to have caught on with very photogenic celebrities surely has more to do with Time magazine's choice to cover the story than does any perceived news value.

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    ^^^
    That is creepy, 6 year olds who just latch on for snacks? I think when a child is old enough to ask for it clearly like that is WAY too old.

    Here's a clip with a 8 year old still breastfeeding.

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    Agreeing with All Good Things. The controversy appears to mainly be about breastfeeding children way past the developmental stage in which it's necessary. My knee-jerk reaction to these photos is to squirm a bit myself.

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    Haha I never actually looked at the cover until now, when I saw it on FaceBook. Yeah the kid is a bit old to be sucking on mommy's tits, I'd say.



    However, there is no denying that there is always controversy about the practice of public breastfeeding with younger infants, or displaying pictures of this practice, as is stated in the linked article:

    "The usual questions that come up when mothers are called out for breastfeeding in public (which happens often) include: Is breastfeeding indecent? Or natural?"

    The taboo against display of breasts is still very powerful, whether there's a baby attached to the breast or not. So it's not just that the kid is three and still breast feeding. It's that the picture shows the kid with her breast in his mouth. The fact that he's too old to be doing this in American culture makes the image all the more arresting.
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    Ugh... I'm sorry but I'm disgusted with this issue. I'm all for breastfeeding but there has got to be an age limit. I see someone posted a link. If it's a British girl who still breastfeeds at the age of 8 then I've seen it and it makes me sick. Cut the cord already lady!

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    isn't it awkward and creepily sexual for the mom to have their older child sucking on their boob? I wonder if they get turned on by it in some sick way. eek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    "The usual questions that come up when mothers are called out for breastfeeding in public (which happens often) include: Is breastfeeding indecent? Or natural?"
    The statement in the linked article that you quote above was: 1) a summary of what these scandals have usually been about historically in the U.S. and 2) emphasizing by contrast that this scandal is not about that.

    It's right here in the linked article:

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    In the provocative new cover story of its May 21 issue, TIME Magazine taps into a two-decade-long parenting conversation that has boiled over in recent months. Journalist Kate Pickert reports on the rise of attachment parenting, a set of techniques popularized by Dr. William (Bill) Sears in "The Baby Book," his 767-page treatise published in 1992.

    In the article, Pickert explores who Sears is and why controversy surrounds his theories -- the biggies are baby-wearing, extended breastfeeding and co-sleeping -- but it's TIME's photographs of real mothers breastfeeding their toddlers that has everyone talking.
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    This controversy is about breastfeeding toddlers -- a phrase that will jar any parent's attention -- way beyond what is commonly considered an appropriate age, as well as the larger aspect of whether "attachment parenting" is harmful or helpful to children.

    I'm not challenging the idea that public breastfeeding itself is not at times controversial, just that in the interest of accuracy we should honor the efforts of the writer of this article actually going out of her way to emphasize that this scandal had nothing to do with "the usual questions that come up when mothers are called out for breastfeeding in public."

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    Yeah that video is way creepy. I can't help but think those kids will be pretty disturbed by it when they're older. I'm all for breastfeeding but that is way too old


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    I breast fed my daughter until she was two. I definitely got more than my share of stares from the public. But, I mostly ignored them and thought they were ignorant.

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    While I'm totally pro breastfeeding, I nursed my son for 13 months after all. I don't get the children older than two still nursing. I mean you potty train around that time getting closer to autonomy why would you still nurse an older child?
    Younger than that I can't fathom getting dirty looks and stares. I certainly had occasion to nurse my child in public but I was discreet and didn't make a big deal out of it. I never had anyone make comment ect. Thankfully, as I probably would have gone off on them.
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    It's de riguer in the US as well, we just think it's weird to breastfeed kids once they can walk and talk.

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    I don't think it's weird per se, it's just like why?
    I nursed for 13 months because children can't have cows milk til a year old. I was giving plenty of solids before that too. At that point in their life they are able to digest cows milk and eat baby and then "people food" nutritionally it isn't necessary. Maybe back in the day when children were malnourished it would be different
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiarose View Post
    Ugh... I'm sorry but I'm disgusted with this issue. I'm all for breastfeeding but there has got to be an age limit. I see someone posted a link. If it's a British girl who still breastfeeds at the age of 8 then I've seen it and it makes me sick. Cut the cord already lady!
    Yeah that's the video I posted. That woman is obviously mentally deranged and if others haven't seen it, they should because it's bizarre. I mean the girls call her breasts names and talk about the taste of the milk.

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    Whatever. It's a picture of a woman with a kid sucking her tit.

    The tit being exposed and in the mouth of the kid has a great deal to do with the fact that this magazine cover is generating a large amount of controversy regardless of the fact that the kid is old enough to walk, and whether or not that is the main thing shocking people. If it was a picture of them sleeping together (a practice that has also been discussed in that issue), there would probably be a lot less furor.
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    Not a big deal IMO. I would be weening them by 1yrs or a little older.
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    I get what they're trying to do, but the point they're trying to make about attachment parenting is missed because of the shock value of this cover.

    The piece is about attachment parenting. They could have easily used a photo of a woman with her child in a sling, because that's another aspect of it.

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    I get what they're trying to do, but the point they're trying to make about attachment parenting is missed because of the shock value of this cover.

    The piece is about attachment parenting. They could have easily used a photo of a woman with her child in a sling, because that's another aspect of it.
    Precisely. The fact that the kid is a little older does make the shock value higher, but the shock value is due to the kid's mouth on the woman's clearly revealed breast.
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    I'm very pro-breastfeeding, but that photo made me extremely uncomfortable and feel a little sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    ^^^
    That is creepy, 6 year olds who just latch on for snacks? I think when a child is old enough to ask for it clearly like that is WAY too old.

    Here's a clip with a 8 year old still breastfeeding.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74
    They cut it off at the best part! I wanted to hear what the father or step father thought of it. He supports her breastfeeding but does he support it at this age? The oldest would be 13 now, does she still feel good about breastfeeding? I'm dying to know! I can honestly say I wasn't thinking about my mother's breasts at 8 nor was I asking her to go braless so I could see them flop about. That's some emotionally incestuous shit right there, man! I remember finding it rather goofy to see my mothers breast flop after she left the shower and asked her many times to get dressed! I actually made fun of her!! I was easily skeeved at 8!
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    I think that mother and child should breastfeed until the child wants to stop or the mother wants her body back (or both). In a lot of places, breastfeeding is necessary due to lack of clean water to mix forumla with. As well, we have breasts that fill with milk and are literally made to breastfeed.

    I don't think that four is too old - in fact, I don't think that any age is too old as long as everyone is comfortable with it. I think that is a very large four year old or a very short 26 year old which doesn't quite help the case... that picture makes it look like the kid is like, 7.
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