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    Default SM Ratings yesterday and last night......

    So we were on last night. Our traffic was ok, not hot, but ok. So i got to wondering, what was going on. Well when i checked where we were in traffic...... it looked like the couples section had flipped from every other night. All of the U.S couples were 3/4 down the page where the started gold shows were..... and the top row didn't stay the same for more than 30 seconds. I noticed that all of us that are normally at the top row, never were on it last night.... i just wondered if any of you that normally watch your traffic have noticed this as well? Hope all of you had a prosperous weekend! Mwah!

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    Default Re: SM Ratings yesterday and last night......

    It will happen due to the amount of "pornstar" ladies are on. There where a lot last night.

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    Ya i know, but here is the weird thing. It's still that way this morning. The first 3 rows are Hungarians, Romanians and Russians. There are 4 or 5 U.S couples on and all of us are bunched together 4 rows down.... whether in a gold show, classic or party chat.... and no porn shows going right now. I'm not sure what's up with it, but i know we are way further down on the list then we have ever been and it's effecting our traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly_Love View Post
    Ya i know, but here is the weird thing. It's still that way this morning. The first 3 rows are Hungarians, Romanians and Russians. There are 4 or 5 U.S couples on and all of us are bunched together 4 rows down.... whether in a gold show, classic or party chat.... and no porn shows going right now. I'm not sure what's up with it, but i know we are way further down on the list then we have ever been and it's effecting our traffic.
    This may seem like a weird question, but do you have a geo-restriction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Model_Jess View Post
    This may seem like a weird question, but do you have a geo-restriction?
    I was going to ask the same thing. Sometimes the browser you are using will have a effect. Few are promised the top row and no I have zero clue how some models get recognition on the first row at ALL time. Annoying but oh well...

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    Default Re: SM Ratings yesterday and last night......

    It can also be your account settings, if you're viewing the site while logged in as a customer.

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    Nahh its not browser or account settings things are seriously f-ed up. We Perform as a couple and have noticed this . We tried to logg in from three different computers, messed with settings and still no change. Our traffic has greatly decreases we are always 2 to 3 rows down now. I use the encoder with settings maxed out as much as our computer can handle 30 Fps 1200 bit rate 640 x 480 with a cable high speed connection. A month ago we could easy make it to the home page on Streamate sometimes in the top row! Now things are really messed up its just adds more stress to a already flawed system makes me wanna pull my vag hair out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly_Love View Post
    Ya i know, but here is the weird thing. It's still that way this morning. The first 3 rows are Hungarians, Romanians and Russians. There are 4 or 5 U.S couples on and all of us are bunched together 4 rows down.... whether in a gold show, classic or party chat.... and no porn shows going right now. I'm not sure what's up with it, but i know we are way further down on the list then we have ever been and it's effecting our traffic.
    Quote Originally Posted by CassieHeart View Post
    Nahh its not browser or account settings things are seriously f-ed up. We Perform as a couple and have noticed this . We tried to logg in from three different computers, messed with settings and still no change. Our traffic has greatly decreases we are always 2 to 3 rows down now. I use the encoder with settings maxed out as much as our computer can handle 30 Fps 1200 bit rate 640 x 480 with a cable high speed connection. A month ago we could easy make it to the home page on Streamate sometimes in the top row! Now things are really messed up its just adds more stress to a already flawed system makes me wanna pull my vag hair out! Why are they putting those scummy Roma studio's on top wtf?
    I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what specific criteria sm uses to determine placement (although from what I've read here, chicas in the 'porn star' category get top ranking) but I think it may help to remember that camming isn't an American industry, and that camsites may not necessarily place U.S./North American cammers higher, based solely upon where we reside. These aren't *our* jobs, so it's unrealistic to think we're more entitled to top ranking over anyone else. Non-Western models aren't encroaching on *our* territory.

    Regarding studios, remember that chicas in certain nations are unable to sign up for sm directly, so while no doubt there are many studios where chicas work multiple sites at once and provide lower quality shows due to the specifics of a given studio's 'quanitity over quality' business model, many chicas outside of Western Europe and North America are just like us and provide high quality shows within the studio framework under which they're forced to operate. I think studios are scum, but some chicas have no option to join sm without one. Honestly, if I was running a camsite, I wouldn't necessarily place U.S. cam-chicas higher based solely on nationality or geographical location, as I can see no rationale for assuming that we in the West provide better quality shows based upon that criteria alone.

    From what I've read here on sw, sm appears to be undergoing significant changes (as well as unacceptable techincal fuck-ups), and I can appreciate that it would be frustrating to be doing well, earning consistent $$$$ while seeing one's placement on sm fall. That said, 'foreign' cammers aren't the cause of this, and what I'm saying is that everyone who appears on sm has the same right to promotion and visibility as everyone else. Camming isn't an American industry, it's international. We're not entitled to superior placement by virtue of a geographic location in the West, and to be honest I like the fact that in camming, our success really depends upon ourselves, and how well we negotiate the changes that occur within this industry.

    I'm not even sure why I'm writing this, as I don't use sm. Really, none of this is any of my business. I guess I felt compelled to write this post because I sense a bit of an 'anti-foreigner' discourse in this thread that makes me feel uncomfortable. Camming is international, and our peers extend across the globe.

    Wishing everyone who participated in this thread a wicked $$$$$$ week

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    There are lots of things that could be going on.

    1. There are many things that affect placement, including when you're checking it. If you sign on and check your placement, it is often different than when you check it later b/c sometimes it takes a while for the system to place you.

    2. Also, if you do certain kinds of shows, it can affect your placement, like sleep shows/ voyeur shows where there is no/very little time in a countdown, and few customers are actually joining the show but it's a long show (lower percentage of paid time while in goldshow). Several models have also speculated that they are "punishing" people for doing these types of shows by placing them lower.

    3. There are many "foreign" girls (who determines what is foreign?) who make a lot of money on there. And you cannot always tell who is working for a studio. Not every girl from RU or RO is working in a slummy studio. And many have a great hustle. We assume that we have a lot of knowledge about other performers, but really we can never know the whole story. (There are lots of "foreign" girls on SW who make more money than a lot of the US girls/couples.)

    4. I watched a model this morning who just put on a geo-restriction two days ago. She was not able to make any gold show countdown goals and had a scowl on her face most of the time, obviously not connecting her decreased traffic with her geo-restriction. Just wait until it really catches up with her.

    5. Your ratings drop off every 90 days. This can affect your placement, theoretically, without affecting your "overall" rating. Ex: You may still have 4.5 or 5 stars, but your rating may actually be lower or higher, by degrees, than what it was two days ago.

    6. There is an unbelievable number of models signing up right now. Sure, there's a high turnover rate, but new models mess with the line-up.

    I will be the first to admit that SM has been pretty messed up lately. However, I have not noticed the placement issues you're talking about, and there may be things that you're not considering. It's not always just about your encoder settings.
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    Default Re: SM Ratings yesterday and last night......

    Ok guys, here is the deal. Lol it's not bad that the Russian or Romanian girls are on the top at all. Good for them! The thing is though, we're not moving on placement and no one else is either. Every couple who has been on the top row, never hits it anymore. Everyone is way way way at the bottom. Randomly from time to time, one couple that was a regular on the top row placement may jump up there for 10 minutes, then it's back down to the bottom again. There is no rhyme or reason to it. I have checked placement before and after shows, before and after private and from different computers as well as checked my settings. I have no idea what is going on. We are online alllllllll the time. We do shows all day and all night and nothing is changing our settings. So, i'm just wondering if it is streamate glitching out and if anyone else has noticed their placement being on the 4th or 5th row instead of anywhere near where they normally are and as Cassie said they are experiencing the same thing. I don't feel i deserve to be on the top row or anything like that, i'm just wondering what's up with the system? Is it the system....... which since i have troubleshooted and tested every other option i am leaning towards, yes it is SM. If anyone hears anything please let me know. Thanks.

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    I have not noticed this. In fact, since you posted about it, I've kept an eye on the placement of couples. I do not sign in. I just look at placement. And I see American couples at the top all the time. I have no idea who you are and if you have a geo-restriction (can't see geo-restricted accts when not signed in), so I can't tell you what your placement looks like to someone who is not signed in, but I can say that I have not noticed the US couples getting pushed to the bottom.

    That's why I mentioned that it might be your customer account settings. However, Cassie seems certain that's not the issue.

    I asked someone about it who has a customer account, and she said that the placement appears to her as it has always been, give or take a little room for certain variables... that it's not much different than usual.

    I hope you get it straightened out, figured out what's going on, or that SM straightens out for you if there really is an issue. Either way, good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Model_Jess View Post
    I have not noticed this. In fact, since you posted about it, I've kept an eye on the placement of couples. I do not sign in. I just look at placement. And I see American couples at the top all the time. I have no idea who you are and if you have a geo-restriction (can't see geo-restricted accts when not signed in), so I can't tell you what your placement looks like to someone who is not signed in, but I can say that I have not noticed the US couples getting pushed to the bottom.
    Same here. o.O I was interested too, but I always see those in the top rows, who are there every day. If they are not there they are offline.

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    You know what, I just realized that if you're signed in to a customer account, you might be seeing the lowered placement of US models with recent geo-restrictions. It really does affect your earnings and often your placement.

    Just a guess, but that would make a difference. (The puzzle interests me.)

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    Haven't changed in geo restrictions though at all. We only have 2 states blocked. Nothing has changed for us. I guess that's why i'm baffled about the placement Jess. I can't figure out what has happened or what has changed. I have literally messed with settings until i'm blue in the face and checked and then double checked after shows to see if we even moved and we don't. It's like we're just stuck in placement.

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    Hm, that's weird. Well, I do know that geo-restrictions can mess up your placement and your earnings. I had one for a while. It doesn't really matter that you only have two states blocked; it matters that you are not being advertised in the same way as you would be if you didn't have the restrictions. Who knows... maybe SM has decided to go ahead an add the restriction into the placement calculation.

    Sorry I can't be more helpful. I hope things work out.

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    It's ok Jess. I really appreicate you trying. And we know bout the georestriction thing, but we decided to do that when we first started and never have changed any of it, so i don't see why we would be seeing a difference you know? Just wondered if any of the solo girls had noticed it, or if it's just the couple's section upside down or what in the world is going on lol.

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