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    Default The psychological cost of being a stripper

    http://realdoctorstu.com/2012/03/12/...ng-a-stripper/

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    In their 2006 research they compared 40 exotic dancers with a similar number of young adult females who didn’t strip for a living. Using validated surveys, and interviewing both groups, they made some significant findings:
    • Strippers had remarkably less satisfaction from their personal relationships and were more likely to think their romantic partnerships would fail
    • There was no difference in self-esteem between strippers and non-strippers
    • Strippers prized their physical appearance over and above their other qualities and abilities.
    • If a stripper felt their body was not beautiful enough, their self-esteem would be affected.
    • Strippers seemed to be slightly less satisfied with their body and were more likely to scrutinise their physical appearance. More often they would “be ashamed if people knew what I really weigh”.


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    What do you ladies think? I think its bogus.

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    Default Re: The psychological cost of being a stripper

    I think I scrutinize about my appearance only when I'm at work, for example, I'm having a bad hair day or look too bloated. Once I'm outside the club, it really doesn't matter. I like my physical look overall.

    "Strippers prized their physical appearance over and above their other qualities and abilities." - I think that should've been a no-brainer to those surveying. If I was an engineer, I would put my engineering skills on a pedestal.

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    I don't really agree with that study...40 is wayyy too small a sample and half of the findings are...duh (obviously someone who makes their money off their appearance is more concerned with their appearance than someone who makes their living photocopying under flourescent lights)

    I thought the comments section was interesting. This is my favourite one:

    "I agree with the above comments. As matters stand at present women are be caught in a double standard where being proud of their naked body is wrong but also it is wrong to dress without regard to sexual attractiveness ( this being viewed as frumpy or scruffy or even as a sign of eccentricity).
    Women who strip their way through college are taking a pragmatic approach to the imbalance of power that still pertains in society. Sexual attractiveness is a form of power and I think there is still a lot of disapproval of women who take on any form of power.
    I made a small study of this subject for my degree and I remember that there is other research that shows that the self esteem of the participants correlated to how well the clubs were run. ( I suggest that would apply to any form of work a person might undertake) What I think is degrading to women is having to work in deadend badly paid jobs and do a shed load of house work when they get home."

    I think there's a lot of confusion and conflict with regards to behaviour and right and wrong in todays world. We still have fragment's of society's old gender roles leftover in things like the lack of female breadwinners or stay-at-home dads, which has caused two conflicting forms of feminism (I thought it was hilarious that the author called stripping degrading and herself a feminist in the same paragraph because by my definition of feminism which is more sex-positive, she would be no where near a feminist.

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    Default Re: The psychological cost of being a stripper

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisca View Post
    http://realdoctorstu.com/2012/03/12/...ng-a-stripper/

    March 12, 2012

    In their 2006 research they compared 40 exotic dancers with a similar number of young adult females who didn’t strip for a living. Using validated surveys, and interviewing both groups, they made some significant findings:
    • Strippers had remarkably less satisfaction from their personal relationships and were more likely to think their romantic partnerships would fail
    • There was no difference in self-esteem between strippers and non-strippers
    • Strippers prized their physical appearance over and above their other qualities and abilities.
    • If a stripper felt their body was not beautiful enough, their self-esteem would be affected.
    • Strippers seemed to be slightly less satisfied with their body and were more likely to scrutinise their physical appearance. More often they would “be ashamed if people knew what I really weigh”.


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    What do you ladies think? I think its bogus.
    1. Possibly true.
    2. Definitely not true. My self esteem has gone through the roof since I started stripping.
    3. Not true. I make money not just 'cause I'm smoking hot, but because I am well spoken, well articulated, intelligent and charming.
    4. True. I prize my body because it is my temple and I care about it as much as my mental well being, nothing wrong with that imo. I mean, have your seen my daughter? Yeah! MY body made that. Psssh.
    5. I fucking love my body, I'm 5"5 and weigh 138 pounds. I'm a size 6. I was a size 0 when I was 12 and had no hips, ass or tits so ftw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola
    4. True. I prize my body because it is my temple and I care about it as much as my mental well being, nothing wrong with that imo. I mean, have your seen my daughter? Yeah! MY body made that. Psssh.
    This is of the most beautiful things I've heard!

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    1. Probably true for me... But only because I'm not so naive about men's intentions and psychological make up now.
    2. I think my non dancer friends self esteem is more 'steady'... I'm pretty strong but sometimes a bad night or hurtful comment makes me plummet. But when it's high, I really do love myself.
    3. True... But that's how I make my money. I'm about to finish law school so I'm preparing to alter that prioritisation.
    4. True... See 2. We get comments that 'normal' girls don't get so I think that's pretty understandable. We also get hired or fired on our looks which is breaking the law in any other job (at least in the UK).
    5. I am a little bit ashamed of what I weigh at the moment but I'm making a conscious effort to fix it. I think we are more aware of what it is to be slim/healthy/eat well... If joe public were as aware as we are I think they would be ashamed too!

    I pretty much meet the study's findings perfectly... Maybe I'm not as strong and confident as I thought?!

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    [*]Strippers had remarkably less satisfaction from their personal relationships and were more likely to think their romantic partnerships would fail

    not true. being in this industry made me even smarter about my partners. this industry made me realize how valuable i am and choose carefully of who is worthy of my time. it really weeds out the losers. i have the man of my dreams right now. he is smart and business like just like me.

    [*]There was no difference in self-esteem between strippers and non-strippers

    being a stripper helped me realize i am the only opinion that matters. i grew thick skin and dont need approval from others and i love myself. if i had a normal job, i probably would not realize this.

    [*]Strippers prized their physical appearance over and above their other qualities and abilities.

    nope. yeah im cute but i am also great in sales, conversation, and money managing.

    [*]If a stripper felt their body was not beautiful enough, their self-esteem would be affected.

    UM, ISN'T THAT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD???!! everyone is effected by their outward appearance. that is just human nature.

    [*]Strippers seemed to be slightly less satisfied with their body and were more likely to scrutinise their physical appearance. More often they would “be ashamed if people knew what I really weigh”.

    hell no not true. doesnt even make any sense since we are in less clothes, there is no way to hide "what we really weigh" lol wtf because i am a stripper, i take care of myself more inside out. i eat healthy, excersize and keep up with my appearance.

    totally bogus survey. but let them think what they wanna think as we laugh all the way to the bank.

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    Default Re: The psychological cost of being a stripper

    Hell fucking yes I'm confident and know I'm BLESSED to be good looking to be able to do such a job!
    When I deal with snobs and negative people outside, I feel great inside cos it makes me don't give a shit cos there's a hundred people and more that'll worship me.

    So nope, none of this shit applies to me at all. Sorry.

    Oh yeah, this might sound cliche, but stripping really does empower me lol.
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    For ME:

    1. I think this one is true. I think alot of men tend to put me in this category where I'm just a temporary girlfriend until they find someone else because stripping intimidates them.
    2. Ah. egos. Initially, stripping really boosted my ego but then as I started to age within the business my self-esteem has disappated, not that it was ever very stable, lol. If anything, stripping has made me much more self-aware than I think I would've been had I never been a stripper.
    3.I totally agree with this one. Again, maybe this has something to do with aging in this business...IDK.
    4. I'm super biased because I'm in love with my body, so I don't feel like I can really answer this question, lol.
    5. Well given our work environment I understand where this is coming from. We are constantly comparing and because we tend to be (in my theory--don't freak out ok?) more self-aware we know what our flaws are. So this can probably be misinterpreted as scrutiny.

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    Stripping in my twenties had much more of an effect on my mental well being that it does now.
    I have always been fit, but not usually super thin.... that being said, I know Im attractive, but deffinatly not a barbie.
    What Ive learned is dressing in a flattering sexy costume, a little flashy jewelery and having my nails done adds to my earning potential and has a greater impact then a little bloat or bad hair day ever would.
    Being confident, agressive, carrying yourself well, smiling and persistance have made this job much less exhausting then it was in previous years, all twelve of them.

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    I feel that this survey did not cover the full spectrum of dancing. There are many facets and angles to the business. And obviously the author of the article was ill informed. I feel that if someone is going to write the facts about dancing and its effects that there needs to be an in-depth study. Not something so broad and confusing as the material in this article.

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    Oh hell no, I hate when poorly designed research studies like this one are done. First of all, their sample size is on the small size, and it doesn't say the selection process. It also does not take into account that stripping is basically MODELING so obviously strippers have more of those issue in general... like physical appearence. Its basically the TOOL for their JOB. Well, the one that gets them hired and ropes customers in originally anyway. I don't think strippers are less satisfied with their bodies, I just think strippers' minds are more fine-tuned to carefully watch their bodies whereas people in other professions often don't give a shit what they look like as long as they can make their body look good underneath pants and a shirt. COMPLETELY different. COMPLETELY. This is a very poorly designed study.

    And for the record, when I danced (I am pretty much retired or on hiatus right now in exchange for camming), I became more confident WHEN or AFTER I started dancing because I realized that EVERYONE has flaws. Stretch marks, a small fat pouch, uneven skin tone, bad skin, thin hair- WHATEVER the issue is can be hidden with makeup/clothing/lights. So I was like WOW okay so I'm just like every other woman and "perfection" really is a myth. Its kind of like seeing what celebrities mean when they say they have flaws. They really do. Its just the makeup, lighting, and photoshop that removes them. Barbies don't exist. Anyone can be traditionally "beautiful" with diet, exercise, makeup, extensions, and dressing for their body type.

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    I found as a dancer my self esteem was intrinsically entwined with my earnings. High earnings = YEAH I'M AWESOME!!!, bad night = What's wrong with me? Do I look fat? Ugly? Maybe I'm too old, burned out etc etc etc.

    I've had BDD as long as I can remember so I've always been very hard on myself. I hate my body and always have. I have also mentioned several times before that I have never in my life ever felt sexy. But I truly enjoyed (and still enjoy in other ways) the manipulation process with dancing. I'm very confident in my intelligence and love making people bend to my will. So in that aspect, my self esteem was/is very high.

    As far as personal relationships I found I put up with far less bullshit than "regular" girls because I knew there were always more men who would want to date me. So when they acted stupid I just fucking tossed them out.

    I will say that dancing gave me horrible anger management issues.

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    I think the biggest things are that I expect more from myself since I have the ability to make money a lot easier than other people, but then I hardly ever want to work. Yet, when I work, I love it. It's this weird motivation issue with me.

    The biggest thing though is that I FUCKING HATE HAVING MY NIPPLES TOUCHED!

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    I do think that if you are hetero especially, that working as a stripper will probably negatively affect your ability to have good relationships but I wonder if that isn't putting the chicken before the egg? I mean... I have heard and can relate to the idea that women who are drawn to this industry often times want to get back at men anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetravelergirl View Post
    I do think that if you are hetero especially, that working as a stripper will probably negatively affect your ability to have good relationships but I wonder if that isn't putting the chicken before the egg? I mean... I have heard and can relate to the idea that women who are drawn to this industry often times want to get back at men anyway.
    Noooooooo! I HATE that stereotype!!! "Damaged" people don't flock to stripping. "Damaged" people are more likely to have bad circumstances/situations and need money to support themselves alone, so that is the reason why "damaged" people are more commonly seen in stripping.

    That, and strippers are generally more open and eccentric human beings, therefore "damaged" people are more likely to share their experiences/personality as a stripper, whereas they have to play the role of a good little employee in a vanilla job. You... I guess... "hold it together" at a vanilla job or you'll be fired on the spot. Whereas, when you are a stripper it doesn't fucking matter how you act really, so its an easier job (and sometimes the only job fit for) someone who is eccentric or very open or a strong personality.

    Lastly, strippers do not conform to society. They are not afraid to go against the grain or just be themselves regardless of how society views them/their choices. So naturally, those who work as strippers are often not going to give a shit what people think and will say it to your face. Those who are more confrontational are more likely to be involved in negative/bad situations (violence, fights, disagreements, get fired, etc.), so that is also why the stereotype is seen in stripping.

    And also, lets not forget that a strong personality is going to stand out. There could be 50 strippers working that night and if only one has a strong confrontational outspoken personality, she is probably the one that will remembered. The brain is trained to only notice the unusual & to block out everything that is usual.

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    I'm not sure if you agreed with me just now or not ^_^ . But I will say this... Either way, after being around men, working in a club as an exotic dancer... You are going to become conditioned to seeing and hearing the worst in men. You will begin to either realize (pick your reality) or believe that men are unable to control themselves, that they are weak and will have sex with anyone, the only constraint being whether or not they can get away with it. Also that men see with their eyes and their fantasies and probably don't focus on whether or not their partner is honest, loyal, responsible... hard working... None of that seems to matter as opposed to maybe a younger woman with a younger shapelier body, blonde hair... or whatever..

    When you work as a stripper you get to know this aspect of men in spades and you begin to either believe or realize that men can't be trusted, that they do whatever their penis wants to do, given the opportunity.

    Also, my theory is this... "Women who get into the industry and see this aspect of men and are okay with it generally are okay with it only because they are already familiar with this aspect of men and use it to their advantage." And that is the "damage" I think we are both referring to. Often times I think that early introduction to the bad side of men was "daddy" and how he cheated on mom or sexually abused a daughter. Or maybe it was an uncle or even a cousin or a brother and that early introduction to the bad side of men generated a "reality" for the young girl who witnessed or experienced it, that men are "pigs", can't be trusted and the only way to control them is with your body. I suspect that the women who this relates to are the ones who generally bank and tend to avoid getting screwed by men because they don't trust men.

    Also because the "reality shift" tends to occur during pre-pubescent years, I think most women who would otherwise relate don't realize or recognize that their reality shifted because they only remember the shifted reality and have come to accept it as being normal. Also.. I think most of this, the attitudes and beliefs which are experienced as "reality" go unnoticed or unacknowledged because they are simply taken for granted or exist on a subconscious level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetravelergirl View Post
    Also, my theory is this... "Women who get into the industry and see this aspect of men and are okay with it generally are okay with it only because they are already familiar with this aspect of men and use it to their advantage." And that is the "damage" I think we are both referring to. Often times I think that early introduction to the bad side of men was "daddy" and how he cheated on mom or sexually abused a daughter. Or maybe it was an uncle or even a cousin or a brother and that early introduction to the bad side of men generated a "reality" for the young girl who witnessed or experienced it, that men are "pigs", can't be trusted and the only way to control them is with your body. I suspect that the women who this relates to are the ones who generally bank and tend to avoid getting screwed by men because they don't trust men.
    I do not agree with that at all. I don't feel like that about men at all, and while I do believe most are generally slaves to their animalistic instincts, I know the CONTEXT plays a huge role. A stripper club is a sexual environment.

    While some people have had the experience(s) you mention, I believe the % is no higher in strippers vs a person with a vanilla job. The HUGE difference is that the person with the vanilla job CANNOT talk about it or will be fired for being unprofessional, and as a stripper you get to say, act, and do whatever you please for the most part because you aren't anyone's employee. That was my point.

    Society tries to make EVERYONE hate sexwork when society is built on selling sex. Sex is more heavily sold in the general modeling & advertising industry rather than blatant sexwork. The only difference is that sexwork is upfront about it with arms open wide saying its okay to give into your animalistic urges you were born with, while the modeling/advertising industry tells you to be ashamed. I think thats the sick part about it all. Society tries to make EVERYONE hate sexwork because they want us to be under their control. They do the same thing with other industries like food.

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    Still, the guys who show up to the clubs tend to be married or in relationships and to be comfortable using your body to seduce that guy for money (spend time around people like that cumulatively) is going to degrade your image of men in general.

    I don't hate the industry, I love it and the money it has allowed me to earn, but I sure as heck wouldn't date a customer or bring him into my home or introduce him to my friends. We appeal to the base instincts of men and the more successful you are the more that is going to tarnish your image of men unless you grew up in a world where all men are that way via what I was talking about in my previous post.

    This isn't about hating sex work, it's about recognizing why you can make lots of money in a strip club with the unfortunate side-effect that you may come to distrust men. Also being exposed to pseudo rapists on a frequent basis and just dirty, creepy, abusive men makes for sexual shut-down in some cases, typically vacillating between hyper-sexual and shut-down sexual states.

    By "you" I mean anyone doing this job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetravelergirl View Post
    Still, the guys who show up to the clubs tend to be married or in relationships and to be comfortable using your body to seduce that guy for money (spend time around people like that cumulatively) is going to degrade your image of men in general.
    Not really, if you take into account that you WORK at a place where men come to view women. That's like saying that if you work at a clothing store, you start thinking everyone who comes in is materialistic. No... sometimes people just need clothes. As for strip clubs, sometimes men just want to look at women or want the thrill of the chase that they once had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    While I find your use of the word "damaged" extremely offensive, I agree with your point. I got into dancing to make a lot of money quickly to get out of a shit situation that was beyond my control. I think many girls' reasons are much the same, and girls who genuinely aspire to be strippers as their life's work are the minority.
    That's why I put it in quotes. I'm referring to the societal stereotype, its not my own word/judgement obviously since I used to dance

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    Bullshit about the self esteem. I'm a thousand times more confident than I was before dancing and all my non dancer friends would agree I'm the cockiest bitch I know
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    As aformer stripper and a current vanilla job holder I have to say you can still hate men,or people in general,at a vanilla job. How is this possible, because people are people everywhere you go. Strippers have an advantage to seeing men at a primal and ungarded state whereas ata vanilla job you find out much later what kind of animal he really is! Women are more outspoken in a strip club because there are no consequences for honesty about ones feelings, in a vanilla job truth is hidden in sarcasim and chess like social moves. I will take the jungle anyday over and office space! Thats my opinon,don't agree I don't care!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    I found as a dancer my self esteem was intrinsically entwined with my earnings. High earnings = YEAH I'M AWESOME!!!, bad night = What's wrong with me? Do I look fat? Ugly? Maybe I'm too old, burned out etc etc etc.

    This is Exactly my own experience. Exactly.

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