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    Default Indys.com Bust

    Just saw this posted on Verifyhim and Providerbuzz - anyone have any info? Says the site was compromised and owners in jail.

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    FINALLY they are talking about it. The owner is still going to keep the site running WHICH IS BULLSHIT imho. He should shut it down because no one in their right mind will pay to advertise there again. A friend of mine was there and This is what happened: There was a party. A meet and greet. The swat team busted in and arrested the owner and his girlfriend (mallory). EVERYONE else was let go. My girlfriend was not arrested. Everyone was searched. A lot of girls had drugs on them and even they were given back their stuff and let go. Only the owner and his girlfriend was arrested.

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    The site was infiltrated by undercover cops. These guys were vouched members of the site and were able to get into the party.
    Three girls left the party with 3 undercovers and were immediately arrested for soliciting. That's how it went down.
    The others were pulled aside and had to give their REAL names , numbers and addresses and were told if they were called
    for questioning they would have to cooperate with the investigation or else they will be indicted with the owner.

    The owner posted on indys - he was somehow able to post bail. His arrest records has been emailed to everyone on that site.
    He's a shady character.

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    Oh and btw to you ladies that feel you are above the law and want to go to meet and greets - THERE WAS NO sex involved at this meet and greet. It was just people in the community mingling. You can easily be caught up in someone else's shit. DO NOT GO TO MEET AND GREETS! You do not need them. You can make money without it.

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    Someone said the girlfriend was supposed to supply underage girls for someone = what a mess - sorry your friend got caught up in this - agree - that site should be shut down or avoided - hopefully more ladies will get the word out to others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    Oh and btw to you ladies that feel you are above the law and want to go to meet and greets - THERE WAS NO sex involved at this meet and greet. It was just people in the community mingling. You can easily be caught up in someone else's shit. DO NOT GO TO MEET AND GREETS! You do not need them. You can make money without it.
    What about all the ladies whose bookings shot up thanks to attending a Meet & Greet ? I don't see the need for blanket statements about a proven method of meeting new people and staying connected. Obviously, a key question is WHO is hosting ? Where ? And what kind of screening are they doing ? For almost every Meet & Greet I know of, just joining or belonging to a site is far from enough to get you invited. Everyone must have references and those references are checked. Most successful Meet & Greets are non-profit exercises. Some who try to do them on a for-profit basis often get greedy and careless.

    If Nikki is correct, the bust had NOTHING to do with the Meet & Greet. It concerned underage prostitution. If some of the ladies had drugs on them, they were doubly foolish. Any good host screens out the druggies and has a zero tolerance policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    What about all the ladies whose bookings shot up thanks to attending a Meet & Greet ? I don't see the need for blanket statements about a proven method of meeting new people and staying connected. Obviously, a key question is WHO is hosting ? Where ? And what kind of screening are they doing ? For almost every Meet & Greet I know of, just joining or belonging to a site is far from enough to get you invited. Everyone must have references and those references are checked. Most successful Meet & Greets are non-profit exercises. Some who try to do them on a for-profit basis often get greedy and careless.

    If Nikki is correct, the bust had NOTHING to do with the Meet & Greet. It concerned underage prostitution. If some of the ladies had drugs on them, they were doubly foolish. Any good host screens out the druggies and has a zero tolerance policy.
    Fact of the matter is LADIES CAN MAKE MONEY WITHOUT GOING TO THIS MEET AND GREETS!!!
    My friend was NEW to the hobby and she was caught up in someone else's mess. She has a very clean record
    and was very close to getting arrested. Obviously you HAVE NOT read what the owner posted HIMSELF on indys.com. He was booked for promoting prostitution.His girlfriend was allegedgly involved with child prostitution. BOTH of them are very shady people.
    HE , THE OWNER, was well aware of what mallory was doing. You also did NOT read my post about undercover cops. They were vouched members of the community. These guys were seeing providers. They were respected members of the community and they were undercover cops.

    On another board I frequent, the host allowed a newspaper reporter to attend the party so trust me these parties aren't maximum security as you want everyone to believe. I have been to enough meet and greets and I will never attend one again. It is not a blanket statement when I say they are more dangerous than they are helpful. NO amount of money is worth someone's safety.

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    I agree with Lovely on this issue - anytime you expose yourself at these type of meetings you are at the mercy of someones else's decisions / judgement - and let's face it not all of the ladies/site owners /agencies who participate in this profession are reputable / good decision makers - some are some are not - yes - you may ( maybe ) make more money but " pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered " - does the benefit (more money) outweigh the risk ( jail/life time record) Lovely and I just had a lite discussion on another thread about review type sites - this is the second large internet site in a couple of years that has been busted (Escorts.com Nov 2011 ) - I just don't like that much information being out there

    edited - escorts.com raided in 2010
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    If there was something posted on Indys about the raid could you please post a link or pm it to me? I'm not a frequent reader of that site but haven't seen anything mentioned about it before or found anything about there after reading about the raid here.

    There is undoubtedly a risk to attending meet and greets or parties. If you don't do anything illegal you should be fairly safe from prosecution but if the meeting is raided you can wind up getting hassled by the police. They of course threatened the girls at this party to cooperate or get possibly charged or questioned by a grand jury. They want the girls to talk. It's not like they'd tell them "oh, its ok. just keep quiet and assert your miranda rights and you'll be fine".

    Whether attending such functions is worth the risk or actually will increase in the long term an escorts earnings is something that gets argued on various boards. I don't know.

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    Well...from what I understood, the undercovers weren't there because of the M&G, it was just the showdown, so to speak, of a 4 month long investigation on the owner and his gf. Also, from what I understood, no one was arrested just for being at the M&G, only those who accepted a date to take home, and they turned out to be cops, so they were brought in for solicitation.

    If anyone wants to avoid any risk of being arrested, not only dont go to M&G, dont be an escort... But yeah, those who stayed "clean" didnt have any grounds to be arrested for, and were all let go. Anyway, yeah like I mentioned before, if youre going to M&G's at strip clubs and hotels, or anything that is publically announced that will get the interest of LE, then yeah of course you're putting yourself at a bigger risk of walking into a bust. Not all M&G's are like that though...

    If you treat it like what is is..a M&G, a place to just see and be seen and socialize...not a hook up...and follow the same saftey rules that you would when posting an ad or communicating with someone, like no explicit talk, then you'll be fine. At my local private M&G's setting a date, walking out with a date, etc are all against the rules. If you want to meet up with someone, you do all that afterwards, on your own time.

    But anyway, yeah, the bust wasnt about the M&G, it was about the owner and his gf, the police had their eyes on those two for something completely unrelated to the M&G for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Well...from what I understood, the undercovers weren't there because of the M&G, it was just the showdown, so to speak, of a 4 month long investigation on the owner and his gf. Also, from what I understood, no one was arrested just for being at the M&G, only those who accepted a date to take home, and they turned out to be cops, so they were brought in for solicitation.
    The undercovers were there for both the m&g and the bust. They were vouched members of the board that had been seeing girls for the investigation. Their information has been posted in public facebook profiles and all so the girls can watch out. Yes no one was arrested but the girls that left with the undercovers (said that above). The undercover was there for the bikini contest my friend participated in while there. They were there from beginning to end.

    If anyone wants to avoid any risk of being arrested, not only dont go to M&G, dont be an escort... But yeah, those who stayed "clean" didnt have any grounds to be arrested for, and were all let go. Anyway, yeah like I mentioned before, if youre going to M&G's at strip clubs and hotels, or anything that is publically announced that will get the interest of LE, then yeah of course you're putting yourself at a bigger risk of walking into a bust. Not all M&G's are like that though...
    Again I disagree. An associate of mine was also in cleveland that day and she did not run into any LE trouble. She pretty much screened, stayed in her room and worked. She did not see any LE guys and not once did she have a problem with anyone/LE. I say the if you don't want to be arrested don't be an escort saying is bs. I have been in this business long enough and have avoided arrest. Yes if LE wants you they can get you but going to these events only ups your chances of getting arrested/getting caught up in someone else's shit.

    Again you do NOT have to be having sex at an M&G to be arrested. Think ASPD.


    If you treat it like what is is..a M&G, a place to just see and be seen and socialize...not a hook up...and follow the same saftey rules that you would when posting an ad or communicating with someone, like no explicit talk, then you'll be fine. At my local private M&G's setting a date, walking out with a date, etc are all against the rules. If you want to meet up with someone, you do all that afterwards, on your own time.
    Fact of the matter is a lot of busts happen that aren't reported to the media. As you can see this ohio issue has not hit the media. All it takes is for one person to bring a whole community down. That's what you're not getting.

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    Yes while the bust was more about the owner and his gf , I mean really , WHO wants to get caught up in that? Do you understand that everyone had to give their REAL names to the investigators and were told that it was either they cooperate with the investigation or have to face prison time? I'm sorry that is not worth going to an m&g when I know for damn sure I can make damn good money and be free by avoiding one.
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    That happened in Houston a couple years
    ago with the old ASPD site. Socials in IMHO are
    just a bad idea. On another note, I just had a
    guy ask me why I needed references even
    though he had 4 reviews and was a
    "well respected" member on Eccie.
    This is a good reminder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Well...from what I understood, the undercovers weren't there because of the M&G, it was just the showdown, so to speak, of a 4 month long investigation on the owner and his gf. Also, from what I understood, no one was arrested just for being at the M&G, only those who accepted a date to take home, and they turned out to be cops, so they were brought in for solicitation.
    That makes sense since the First Amendment protects the right to assemble. But if providers and clients walk out with the intention of engaging in sex for money, then it becomes pandering and solicitation.

    Even knowing that, I am now a little more freaked out about the two M&Gs I just RSVP'd yes to haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    Do you understand that everyone had to give their REAL names to the investigators and were told that it was either they cooperate with the investigation or have to face prison time? I'm sorry that is not worth going to an m&g when I know for damn sure I can make damn good money and be free by avoiding one.
    And for what are they going to face prison time? Attending a party? Its a scare tactic. Hopefully those ladies were smart enough to see that and declined to answer any questions. Even if they do get called in front of a grand jury, they still have the option of asserting their 5th Amendment right and not answer any questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jannisary View Post
    And for what are they going to face prison time? Attending a party? Its a scare tactic. Hopefully those ladies were smart enough to see that and declined to answer any questions. Even if they do get called in front of a grand jury, they still have the option of asserting their 5th Amendment right and not answer any questions.
    I honestly don't know. everyone at the party was told it was either they cooperate with the investigation or they will face prison time for hiding info from the feds. Everyone gave their info. No one declined to give their info. If they did, they would have been arrested right then and there along with the guy and his girlfriend. You would have to ask the Cop. This is what was said.

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    Also I have to add that this wasn't a local sweep like the owner is making it out to be. The party was busted by federal agents and the agents did let everyone in the room know that it was a federal investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    I say the if you don't want to be arrested don't be an escort saying is bs.
    Just wanted to point out...what I actually said is "If anyone wants to avoid any risk of being arrested, not only dont go to M&G, dont be an escort..." Key word you left out is risk...no one going into this can or should believe that theres no risk involved in this job, which is exactly why we have to screen. Not only to avoid LE but crazy people. Ive never had any run in with LE either, but we have *all* run into encounters that confirm why we can command the rates we do...I like to consider it hazard pay.
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    just because they did not arrest others that night does not mean they have nothing on them that they can use at a later date - If they have been posing as clients for a while they surely have evidence against other ladies - usually they use that evidence as persuasion to roll on the bigger fish - so they very well have more on the attendies than just attending a party - the feds are usually pretty thorough in their stings - they don't show up hoping to find something - they show up to get what they know is there -

    we had a federal raid in our area several years ago related to credit card processing - every agency in my city was processing credit cards through a front business - a local guy - except mine which was legally using a bank - they contacted a client who frequented all of the services and threatened to expose him if he didnt cooperate - they put a wire and set him up in a hotel and had him calling girls - thankfully he passed me a note under the guise that he was writing me a check -

    anywho - the last of this situation may not be over yet


    edited - yes Sharpie you are correct - there are many ways to get caught - if you never do you are probably a great combination of smart and lucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki_Fox View Post
    just because they did not arrest others that night does not mean they have nothing on them that they can use at a later date - If they have been posing as clients for a while they surely have evidence against other ladies - usually they use that evidence as persuasion to roll on the bigger fish - so they very well have more on the attendies than just attending a party - the feds are usually pretty thorough in their stings - they don't show up hoping to find something - they show up to get what they know is there -
    This is exactly what I said. Because why would they spend all that time collecting REAL names, addresses and phone numbers for nothing.

    Also for those who care to know, the ladies and gentlemen were ALL strip searched. Some girls had drugs (cocaine, marijuana, large doses of vicodin and other unprescibed pills on them). The agents gave it ALL BACK and told them they can leave. They left with EVERYTHING. Something is up with that. This isn't over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Just wanted to point out...what I actually said is "If anyone wants to avoid any risk of being arrested, not only dont go to M&G, dont be an escort..." Key word you left out is risk...no one going into this can or should believe that theres no risk involved in this job, which is exactly why we have to screen. Not only to avoid LE but crazy people. Ive never had any run in with LE either, but we have *all* run into encounters that confirm why we can command the rates we do...I like to consider it hazard pay.
    Ooh i totally agree.

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    someone said they took pictures of everyone too


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    Also for those who care to know, the ladies and gentlemen were ALL strip searched. Some girls had drugs (cocaine, marijuana, large doses of vicodin and other unprescibed pills on them). The agents gave it ALL BACK and told them they can leave. They left with EVERYTHING. Something is up with that. This isn't over.
    Until I see something from a reliable source, I've got to call bullshit on that. Right now everything being said here is just hearsay and its getting pretty deep. Have fun spinning your yarn...

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    i feel bad for you escorts that have to deal with the review guys. honestly, these guys are total bottom feeders. i wish they were not allowed to post in ow. they are disgusting. i'm not sure why they post over here. i am assuming no one invited them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jannisary View Post
    Until I see something from a reliable source, I've got to call bullshit on that. Right now everything being said here is just hearsay and its getting pretty deep. Have fun spinning your yarn...
    Why are you even posting here? You can call bullshit all you want but this has already been posted on several provider boards, indys.com owner has also answered questions about this as well. Everything I have posted here is what happened. Why don't you go and dig up your own information about what took place instead of stalking this thread and calling bullshit on what you have no clue about.

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    And btw I knew about this raid the same day it took place. My information comes from a new provider I know and trust and a very respected client of mine that attended the m&g. It has also been confirmed by a few others publically. Nikki, I doubt they took pictures of anyone here. I did not hear that.

    Quote Originally Posted by LAChloe View Post
    i feel bad for you escorts that have to deal with the review guys. honestly, these guys are total bottom feeders. i wish they were not allowed to post in ow. they are disgusting. i'm not sure why they post over here. i am assuming no one invited them.
    Sweetie . This is the best blog I've ever read from an escorts. Hobbyists are truly annoying. They're like cyber stalkers.

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    I heard the same thing that lovely is saying - maybe it is true - maybe it isn't - the other fed raid I went through in the 80"s did not arrest one lady - they were after the agency for tax evasion - they searched all of our stuff / questioned us / took our information - gave everything back and sent us out the door - they have their own agenda so who knows


    yes i agree Chloe about the review sites - they make me sick - very dehumanizing

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    My favorite clients are the ones who are not hobbyists, not on any boards, who are just on P411 or DateCheck, and dont have the time or inclination to spend hours upon hours of thier day writing on the boards, writing reviews, discussing the reviews, boasting about their position in the community and blah blah blah. I swear, for some of these guys its like a full time job...without pay. And interestingly enough, its *rare* I even get a date with one of those guys. Im thinking the ones who have all that free time to live on the boards dont have much time left to have an actual job to be able to afford ladies with higher rates. Blah them and all of that.

    Anywayzlies...lol if I ever were caught up in a sting or bust or what have you, even if they let me go I would probably be too shaken to keep going with this....and I do agree and see it, if they collect my info, that they may well turn around and start trying to use me as bait..whatever will serve their purpose. Which is actually exactly why if a lady has been busted, no one considers her a reference anymore, at least not around here...its not fair, but Im more concerned with my own safety than with being fair.

    Ooh and btw...I know all this went down in Cleveland, but ehhhh, I decided today I wont be going to Columbus afterall. I just dont want to be in Ohio anytime soon. Too much stuff going on there.
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