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    Question Quick question about LE/escorting

    I've spent the last hour researching this shit without a good straight answer, maybe you veterans can help. Say a cop gets past screening, they come to your place and you never once agree or bring up acts for money, can they still bust you? for example cop "so this $$ is for full service right?" and I say "no my rates are for my time only and anything afterwards is between two consenting adults." Everything I've seen up until this point has confirmed that I'll be OK but I need to be sure. Tomorrow I'm going to call a local lawyer that specializes in this but I want you guys take. I've seen posts in the archives here and there saying all you have to do is show up and you're fucked. This sounds like bullshit to me because the last time I checked this was still America. In America if you don't break the law you can't be charged (detained maybe but who cares imo, keep me the full 72 hours, Ill hire a great lawyer to get me off unconstitutional charges) I just don't see how if someone comes to my incall, puts my donation on the table even after being reminded (or "rate" I still don't see whats illegal about that, they are paying for my time why can't I call it my fucking rate?) I announce that so n so amount is for my time and anything else is between 2 consenting adults. He either agrees or nods then we go about our business. Or even (prob better) he puts it down and no one says shit about shit and we talk about the weather or my huge boobs while I figure out which way the damn condom unrolls........What there is illegal and could turn into a real stick-able charge? Also I saw that other (sometimes bigger) charges can brought about because of the use of a computer. I get that BUT wouldn't a disclaimer be enough? Its enough for everything else it seems. Thanks again for the help and by all means school my ass if im wrong. Just trying to do my best

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    Your best bet is to try and avoid cops.
    If LE wants you, they will find a way to get you.
    I honestly believe in doing things to minimize that from
    ever happening but once you're in the room with LE you can be busted
    for anything. Oh disclaimers on website and ads are hilarious they offer
    NO protection. I know agencies that make the ladies ask guys to sign a little
    strip of paper before anything takes place. I honestly don't know if that protects you
    if you're caught up in a sting.

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    LE in some places wants to get you on tape. In others they don't care and will ride with a "he said -she said ". Most cops don't care what happens to you AFTER you are arrested. All they care about is the bust. They figure that the time, expense, publicity etc. is deterrent and punitive enough.

    If they want you bad enough, they will try to get you. Your only defenses are to avoid "hot" areas and screen as much as possible.

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    the disclaimer's and contract are not what matters - it is your actions - if he gave you money and you had sex you are busted - will it hold up in court - maybe - but - you now have a prostitution arrest on your record whether or not you are convicted - yes - it is a free country but be real - you are having sex for money no matter how you want to dance around it - a friend of mine was arrested and they had her on tape repeatedly saying - no - no - no- no - no - the prosucutor threw it out but she still went to jail - paid a lawyer- has a prostitution arrest on her record

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dddallas View Post
    I've spent the last hour researching this shit without a good straight answer, maybe you veterans can help. Say a cop gets past screening, they come to your place and you never once agree or bring up acts for money, can they still bust you? for example cop "so this $$ is for full service right?" and I say "no my rates are for my time only and anything afterwards is between two consenting adults." Everything I've seen up until this point has confirmed that I'll be OK but I need to be sure. Tomorrow I'm going to call a local lawyer that specializes in this but I want you guys take. I've seen posts in the archives here and there saying all you have to do is show up and you're fucked. This sounds like bullshit to me because the last time I checked this was still America. In America if you don't break the law you can't be charged (detained maybe but who cares imo, keep me the full 72 hours, Ill hire a great lawyer to get me off unconstitutional charges) I just don't see how if someone comes to my incall, puts my donation on the table even after being reminded (or "rate" I still don't see whats illegal about that, they are paying for my time why can't I call it my fucking rate?) I announce that so n so amount is for my time and anything else is between 2 consenting adults. He either agrees or nods then we go about our business. Or even (prob better) he puts it down and no one says shit about shit and we talk about the weather or my huge boobs while I figure out which way the damn condom unrolls........What there is illegal and could turn into a real stick-able charge? Also I saw that other (sometimes bigger) charges can brought about because of the use of a computer. I get that BUT wouldn't a disclaimer be enough? Its enough for everything else it seems. Thanks again for the help and by all means school my ass if im wrong. Just trying to do my best
    "no my rates are for my time only and anything afterwards is between two consenting adults."

    That's a well known subterfuge for prostitution. (Subterfuge - Deceit used in order to achieve one's goal.) Sure you're attorney can argue it out in court but the prosecutor is going to argue and try to convince the jury that both you and the undercover knew exactly what was really going on and what you were both really there for - prostitution.

    "so this $$ is for full service right?"

    If a client, even after screening makes a comment that could be interpreted as solicitation you're safer ending the date and showing them to the door or leave if you are doing an outcall.

    "I've seen posts in the archives here and there saying all you have to do is show up and you're fucked"

    Have you ever heard the old police saying "you can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride?" If its a sting and you show up there the police have time, effort, and money invested in setting it up. If you are good and they don't get you to incriminate yourself, they still have to do something with you. You are a threat to their operation at that point. SO they arrest you whether they got enough to make the charges really stick or not. There is also the hope that after being arrested they can intimidate incriminating information out of you. So you get arrested, fingerprinted, name published in news, maybe your mug shot put up on their website, you basically get outed as a prostitute and then the prosecutor declines to file charges since he knows he doesn't have enough to get a conviction or he takes a gamble and loses at trial. You beat the rap, but you still took the ride and that ride can be devastating professionally, financially, emotionally.

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    True that. Plus you have to add up the cost of fighting a misdemeanor that 9 times out of 10 you can plead down to a violation and pay a fine.

    The key is NOT to get busted and the best ways to do that are to avoid "hot" areas and screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jannisary View Post
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    "so this $$ is for full service right?"

    If a client, even after screening makes a comment that could be interpreted as solicitation you're safer ending the date and showing them to the door or leave if you are doing an outcall.
    ^^^This.

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    Like I said they can falsely detain me 100 times I'll win every time. Thats not my issue, I don't think anyone really knows the solid facts and where the legal line is exactly. After I talk to that adult industry lawyer I'll tell y'all everything!

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    Default Re: Quick question about LE/escorting

    what you are trying to say will not keep you from getting arrested - I understand you are trying to get clarification but it is just splitting hairs - calling it time spent / companionship is not going to save your butt if it is a cop

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    Default Re: Quick question about LE/escorting

    A cop will ask questions just like you said ("so this $$ is for full service right?"). Anytime anyone says something like that you say "I'm not a prostitute" and walk out the door! If you end the date at the first sign of something fishy, with NO second chances, you will never get arrested. He can't arrest you for refusing to be a prostitution, right?

    Most real clients know the drill, and won't ask questions like that. Cops have to ask them, otherwise they can't arrest you. Sure, you'll lose a little bit of legitimate business, but who cares. You'll be around for the next client instead of in jail!

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    as i said above - my friend was arrested and she did not agree to anything - she REPEATEDLY said no to everything he asked her - it was on tape when she went to court -

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    She also could have won if she took it far enough it sounds like. Also the law is about spliting hairs, there is an exact line and no grey area. To the other poster, that's what I was asking thank you. I'm paying a rib to that lawyer come Monday so I'll share the info for sure.

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    She did win - it was dismissed - but it is still on her record and cost time and money

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    Thats my point kinda... we make so much money doing this whats a little time and money here and there if it means you dont get charged. I realize she has a mark like that but you can get rid of those pretty easy im about to do it with a dismissed DWI
    side note, niki i hope you dont think im being a bitch I like you a lot and stalk the shit out of your posts lol

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    Unfortunately not all states allow for true expungement of arrest and court records. Plus its not just the official record you have to worry about. While not all busts make the news, many in fact do and wind up being heavily hyped. Maybe the thought of your family, friends, neighbors, classmates, etc finding out about your line work doesn't bother you but it terrifies many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dddallas View Post
    I realize she has a mark like that but you can get rid of those pretty easy im about to do it with a dismissed DWI
    Not sure how it works in your neck in the woods, but in some states it's not that easy to get a prostitution charge removed, especially if you're convicted. In fact, where I used to live it was easier to get a dismissed DWI charge removed than a dismissed prostitution charge. Double standard, I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    Your best bet is to try and avoid cops.
    If LE wants you, they will find a way to get you.
    I honestly believe in doing things to minimize that from
    ever happening but once you're in the room with LE you can be busted
    for anything. Oh disclaimers on website and ads are hilarious they offer
    NO protection. I know agencies that make the ladies ask guys to sign a little
    strip of paper before anything takes place. I honestly don't know if that protects you
    if you're caught up in a sting.
    I've always found disclaimers amusing. I think once they started popping up, all others followed suit thinking it was going to keep them out of trouble. It reminds me of when escorts started referring to their donation as "200 roses" or "250 diamonds" thinking they were outsmarting LE.

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    ^^ My favorite is the "by entering this website/contacting me, you agree that you are not working for law enforcement". Whenever I see it, I don't know whether to laugh, or facepalm


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    You may feel tough now but when the cops come busting in a haul your ass downtown even if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you wont feel so bad ass when you have to sit in jail for a day or two (possibly longer depending on if you get the lawyer or have someone bail you out). Being a paranoid woman is better than being an easygoing screener when it comes to having your life turned upside down no matter how thick skinned you are...

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    It's nothing to do with being tough I'm a military wife, Ive had 6 homes in 5 years I have no connections anywhere and my very small family is thousands of miles away. I just wouldn't be as Upset as others girls over a very media friendly bust as I have no reputation in this part of the country to tarnish.

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    I wasn't directing the "tough" bit directly at anyone..but your reputation has nothing to do with it either unless you are well established on your community which is unlikely for younger escorts since the business tends to be isolating at times. Your mental health and overall well being is way more
    Important than having a tarnished rep around town. Wouldnt your husband care about getting in major trouble with the military if you got busted though..unless he doesn't know what you do but either way he would get in deep shit.

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    I agree with just saying no and ending the appointment as soon as anything involving sex is mentioned.Questions like "do you have condoms?" shouldn't be answered. And you should definately avoid hot spots.

    But I guess that might not always work....I read this article about LE in pittsburgh letting it go as far as oral.




    Since we're on the topic I thought I'd ask what is the best way to find and avoid hot spots?

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    He's no longer in and if he was we would rather him lose his job then me. I make more. U know? Even a bad year at the club was always twice what he made

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    For sure I dated this guy who was in the army for 10 years and knew what I did and said so long as I wasn't having sex ( I was) then he didn't mind because it would look bad for him if I ever got busted. Which I understand but still.. No thank you dude I'm not going to give up my job for you no matter how sexy you look in uniform

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    Amen^

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