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    I have a few observations:

    -when I first started to cam on SM I was using my old macbook pro from 6 years ago (a dual core with something like 2 gb of ram), a logitech webcam C900 or something like that, and I had an upload speed of say .5 mbps. I was working the same amount of hours I do now, except for my rates were like $2.69/$3.99 and I was making on average $400/wk less then what I make now. I think I was sitting somewhere around page 5.

    -One day I decided to go out and purchase a new laptop, a macbook pro quad core i5 with 4gb of ram. The same week I got sick with my internet company and switched over to cable. Got the top package. Decided my HD webcam built in to my mac was good enough for the job. Almost immediately my placement increased to the 2nd page. When I used the C900 I noticed things stayed roughly the same, so I am not so sure the cam quality had much to do with this. I think the upgraded computer and internet had more to do with it.

    -upon upgrading my ram to 8gb my CPU usage drastically dropped. Went from being 70-80% before to being something like 20-30%. Around this time I purchased my Sony Evi D100. My placement literally increased overnight. I also increased my price at this time as I thought my new stream was so much better. I even test this "theory" of mine now and again by logging in with either my C900 or my built in HD face time. My placement plummets when I log in with these. As soon as I log in with my Evi I go straight back up to first page.

    -I was up in the top rows for quite some time back in January/Feb. Now my placement is down to around bottom of page 1, and I think this is mainly because I took something like 4 weeks off because I got sick of SM. And my upload is only 2.00 mbps, not much I can change about that without doing something illegal to the cable box/lines. That and I typically only work around 20 hrs a week.

    -I recently saw a top model 'testing' a different camera (from the looks of it she was using a laptop with a built in webcam) and her placement dropped from 1 st row down to the bottom of page 1 (with the HD icon still beside her name). She was telling her room "I am just testing something". I have seen her posting on some other forums advising girls to use camcorders instead of webcams.

    All this got me to thinking that technology pretty much has as much to do with placement and traffic, as customer ratings and time in private do. Do I think a girl starting out today with a top of the line computer/cam/internet is instantly going to be on the top of page 1? No, but I do think this best prepares her to be there in the near future. As I have said before having 100+ people in your chat room means shit all if they are not paying customers. But in the same respect I think that you have a better chance of actually selling a private with say 100+ people in your room then say 5.



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    I'm pc and tech retarted, but I want to mention that, when I started and did some reading here, I freaked out cause I thought my pc was not good enaugh and won't be able to handle camming.

    I only have 2GB RAM and I only get 30ish% of CPU usage. I have a c910, use the encoder, have other 2-3 pages opened apart from SM, I play music, sometimes play minigames and I watch myself on my cammodels link... and my feed is great, no laggs, nothing.

    I don't know why do you girls get 70-80% of CPU usage my computer is not up-to-date at all, but it could handle even more..

    Altough I don't have an idea about my placement cause of geo-blocking, and I don't want anyone to check me, but as I mentioned this oldish pc seems to be more than enaugh.

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    When I first started camming amateur (after 2 years of professional ... yeah, I kinda went backwards, lol), I was on the highest non-commercial technology at the time; a 28.8k modem, a pentium 1, with a floppy disc drive! Wooo hooo! There were 40 girls online. I only knew of the one site I was on, as there were so few others at the time. My very 1st week ever, I earned $162. but I only worked a few hours and traffic was crazy good. Ah, the good ole days! Not dwelling on them, just remembering, in the sort of way you remember your youth, before your mind gets corrupted by the truth of what happens in the world (in this case, the industry). Over the years, I've found that it makes no difference whatsoever, as long as I'm within a 5 year range of the latest, average connection speed, processor, etc. The member can only see you as fast as his connection will allow, so just looking at the overall internet average will tell me what I need to be just that much better than, to provide a good speed for the majority. I like to be faster but won't pay dearly for it. I cut corners with using good lighting and putting money into a good camcorder but save on lingerie, lights, all the little things (that add up, over time). Never did a thing for my placement ... then or now.

    Recently, I haven't upgraded anything really, so I can't speak to that, but I know that my computer performs better after a reboot (which is what I do prior to each sign-in). I have a good firewall and virus protection software, try to minimize programs running in the background when I may be camming and close down msn messenger and other chat programs that could slow me down. I find that helps a lot.

    The only thing that changes my placement, I find, is if the hosts above me sign off. Other than that, I'm going down the page. It's weird to start at the top and after 2 years, your listing goes down to around the middle of the page. I'm seriously wondering if some studios are getting prominent placement. It looks like all new girls up there now. I can't make heads or tails of this and the site sure as heck won't tell us, so who knows?

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    I have a good Mac computer but know for sure having really good high speed internet makes a big difference in my traffic and placement. I am now cam in HD encoder and I'm always on the first or second spot under Transsexual category.
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    There is absolutely no question that SM's page placement 'algorithm' favors girls who are able to run SM's encoder software, and who have the computer power, upload speed etc. to supply a HD video stream.

    I don't know how or why different cameras factor into this, providing that the different cameras have the same image resolution and frame rate. However, in the case of comparing an HD analog camera and video capture card versus a USB 2.0 web camera, it's very possible that the actual image resolution * frame rate achieved by the HD analog camera and video capture card is significantly better than the actual image resolution * frame rate achievable with the USB 2.0 web camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post

    I don't know how or why different cameras factor into this, providing that the different cameras have the same image resolution and frame rate. However, in the case of comparing an HD analog camera and video capture card versus a USB 2.0 web camera, it's very possible that the actual image resolution * frame rate achieved by the HD analog camera and video capture card is significantly better than the actual image resolution * frame rate achievable with the USB 2.0 web camera.
    Ok but the capture card I am using currently is a USB 2.0 card (the Elgato). I cannot seem to get my blackmagic intensity extreme to work with the encoder.



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    According to the ElGato specs, you're producing a 1.4 meg video stream using H.264 encoding. The Intensity Extreme should 'kill' that performance level 3 times over.

    However, I have heard that a number of streaming software packages have experienced compatibility problems when attempting to use Apple's Thunderbolt port ... i.e. there is a Beta release of ProCaster that supposedly addresses those problems. No idea though what's going on with SM's encoder software relative to Thunderbolt port.

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    I have a 8 GB Ram..
    a normal logitech camera...
    and the best connection I can get in my area .. fiber optic.

    i have nothing in this computer other then a a few vids, a few pic and the programs I use on the sites...

    This might be a key detail, I dont know
    but
    for those useing a normal HD webcam, like Logitech
    make sure your setting are in 640x 480.. in the main logitech menu.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    According to the ElGato specs, you're producing a 1.4 meg video stream using H.264 encoding. The Intensity Extreme should 'kill' that performance level 3 times over.

    However, I have heard that a number of streaming software packages have experienced compatibility problems when attempting to use Apple's Thunderbolt port ... i.e. there is a Beta release of ProCaster that supposedly addresses those problems. No idea though what's going on with SM's encoder software relative to Thunderbolt port.
    Yeah FMLE (flash media live encoder) keeps dropping the image and thus logs me off.

    Funny enough the blackmagic works for everything else, I even have it working on skype.



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    for those useing a normal HD webcam, like Logitech
    make sure your setting are in 640x 480.. in the main logitech menu.......
    Unfortunately, 640x480 won't be 'counted' as high by SM's ranking algorithm.


    Yeah FMLE (flash media live encoder) keeps dropping the image and thus logs me off.

    Funny enough the blackmagic works for everything else, I even have it working on skype.
    well, this pretty much confirms the source of the problem. Hopefully a 'fix' is being worked on and will be released soon.

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    I was curious about this thread. I own an evi d100 however dont use it because the quality looks worse than the logitech 9000, at least for me. I tested it briefly again last night and found my placment did not change either way. However this may be due to the equipment I am using with it. For some reason on mine it seems darker around the edges of the picutre and doesnt seem to be my lighting.

    The usb capture card I am using is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00. I have always thought my camera was blurry and I think this is to blame. You said you were using an elgato adapter, I just picked up this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i01 is this the same you are using? I also assume you are using s-video.

    I noticed with my current one it is encoding in mpeg -2, upon some reading it seems that mpeg - 2 has twice the bitrate of h.264 however h.264 uses more cpu power to encode. I know h.264 is used by the flme, so I imagine I was loosing quality going from analog to mpeg -2 then mpeg -2 to h.264. Can you verifiy what you are encoding the analog signal into? Are you using streamates new encoder settings, or are they higher?

    My other concern with the elgato adapter is it says it doesnt have a hardware encoder so it will rely on the cpu. So essentially I will have two encoders running, luckily I have an i7 laptop with 16 gigs of ram.

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    I also can say I highly suspect equipment DOES matter, I recently had the chance to compare stats with another girl who has better placement than I on the site. She is usually a few places higher then me up to a row. I work full time around 40 hours a week, she does around 15 hours. Because of this I make significantly more than her weekly, so I feel it is safe to say that it is not how much you are making a week.

    I sat down and did the math and found that she has a slightly higher hourly average week per week. Her hourly average was 4-5 dollars more than mine was, and our time in private was similar, however she had around 1-2 percentage points more. This may be the difference here, but I find it hard to believe this can make up to a row difference due to the low varience of the numbers.

    I can also say I have nearly 3 times as many favorites, so while this can equal more paying traffic I do not believe it has a direct effect in placement. Looking back I cannot say I had a chance to compare ratings, but we are both 5 star performers.

    I do not have the exact specs of her laptop, however I do know she uses a mac, and I a windows computer, I am starting to wonder if macs somehow get better placement, however I would not understand the reason why, or even how streamate can tell. I havent had a chance to directly test her internet either, but I can confirm she has fios, while I have cable. We both use the same webcam. I hope to update when I am able to do some more research.

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    here is what I start to believe.
    I currently have a ( very?) high # of "admirers"... at least thats what I see in my account..
    There is no possible way that I have gained them all from the main site, Streamate..
    so I think some are from the other sites they have...( white labels)
    I think I might have a particular ranking on SM and I might be placed differently on their other sites??
    So over all I think our traffic/placement/income varies depending on how we are "advertised"/placed on the other sites as well..
    but how I can sit here and "check" on 50 sites in the same time..I cant....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    I think I might have a particular ranking on SM and I might be placed differently on their other sites??
    So over all I think our traffic/placement/income varies depending on how we are "advertised"/placed on the other sites as well..
    but how can sit here and "check" on 50 sites in the same time..
    Edit: And shit like this is why I try to tell girls that placement really doesn't mean jack. There are too many factors that alter your placement to yourself and where others see you. Including their internet speed Not your speed, THEIRS. SM does a speed test every time a custie logs in.


    See, the number of times I say that.... lol

    As someone in a very limited category (preggo), looking at my main site placement there is no WAY I get all my traffic and faves from the main site. But I still GET traffic, and I actually make more per night than a couple girls I know that have page 1-2 placement.

    My placement somewhere has to be good, but where is far too hard to determine. But no matter what quality adjustments I make, I'm always placed very far back on the main site, sometimes as far back as page 15. I can't help but think though that the system is set to place me behind the "normal" girls. After all, why would they have a pregnant woman on the first few pages when she can be on the front page of some specialty site?


    Edit2: On topic, I do see a difference in placement (from page 15 to 13, etc) between using my laptop and my PC, the latter of which is semi-fried at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holly Snow View Post
    I was curious about this thread. I own an evi d100 however dont use it because the quality looks worse than the logitech 9000, at least for me. I tested it briefly again last night and found my placment did not change either way. However this may be due to the equipment I am using with it. For some reason on mine it seems darker around the edges of the picutre and doesnt seem to be my lighting.

    The usb capture card I am using is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o04_s00_i00. I have always thought my camera was blurry and I think this is to blame. You said you were using an elgato adapter, I just picked up this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i01 is this the same you are using? I also assume you are using s-video.

    I noticed with my current one it is encoding in mpeg -2, upon some reading it seems that mpeg - 2 has twice the bitrate of h.264 however h.264 uses more cpu power to encode. I know h.264 is used by the flme, so I imagine I was loosing quality going from analog to mpeg -2 then mpeg -2 to h.264. Can you verifiy what you are encoding the analog signal into? Are you using streamates new encoder settings, or are they higher?

    My other concern with the elgato adapter is it says it doesnt have a hardware encoder so it will rely on the cpu. So essentially I will have two encoders running, luckily I have an i7 laptop with 16 gigs of ram.
    You do not need two encoders running to use the elgato. Yes I use the elgato capture device because I use a mac. I use the new encoder settings.

    There are various ways one could tell if one is using a mac or PC. I am sure SM knows which you are using, but I am also sure that there is no bias towards one or the other. That said I will say that windows operating system takes up a lot of memory in comparison to OSX. Thus the performance of software like the encoder, is that much better on a mac vs a PC.



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    i do think specs have something to do with it, but if you're using the encoder properly, it's not taking up too much cpu power, and you have a decent upload speed, it seems that what makes the difference after that is belonging to certain studios (camsharks) or your hourly wage. the only time my placement seems to budge now is when my hourly wage is higher than usual. normal for me is $25-$30, when i'm making $40 or so, i jump a few spots.

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    My placement somewhere has to be good
    in my mind, my placement is always fabulous..!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    According to the ElGato specs, you're producing a 1.4 meg video stream using H.264 encoding. The Intensity Extreme should 'kill' that performance level 3 times over.
    I've got both of these cards & will be trying them all out, along with the StarTech one in my new i7 once it's built so will let you know.

    Keeping my fingers crossed for the Intensity though but won't be using it with thunderbolt but USB3 so hopefully that will make a difference let's see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Unfortunately, 640x480 won't be 'counted' as high by SM's ranking algorithm.
    That's what I thought also - 640 x 480 isn't even HD, but the new settings they recommend state for us to set both our input and output at 640 x 480. My cam is capable of up to 1600 x 1200 so I'm not sure why they are not suggesting those of us who can transmit a larger picture do so.

    I set mine at the recommended settings of 640 x 480 and I'm getting the HD symbol on my feed, and I'm in the first few rows of hosts on the front page.


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    Keeping my fingers crossed for the Intensity though but won't be using it with thunderbolt but USB3 so hopefully that will make a difference let's see.
    It should, since both Apple Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 are an order of magnitude faster than anything using USB 2.0 !!!


    The usb capture card I am using is . I have always thought my camera was blurry and I think this is to blame. You said you were using an elgato adapter, I just picked up this one is this the same you are using? I also assume you are using s-video.

    I noticed with my current one it is encoding in mpeg -2, upon some reading it seems that mpeg - 2 has twice the bitrate of h.264 however h.264 uses more cpu power to encode. I know h.264 is used by the flme, so I imagine I was loosing quality going from analog to mpeg -2 then mpeg -2 to h.264.
    the choice of encoding algorithm is probably secondary to the inherent speed limitations imposed by USB 2.0 . And yes problems with video resolution loss, as well as cpu loading, can develop if your computer must decode an already encoded video stream back into raw video, and then RE-encode that raw video using a different algorithm. If you know that your webcam host's protocol 'likes' H.264, you should only be performing one encoding operation from raw video to H.264 .


    That's what I thought also - 640 x 480 isn't even HD, but the new settings they recommend state for us to set both our input and output at 640 x 480. My cam is capable of up to 1600 x 1200 so I'm not sure why they are not suggesting those of us who can transmit a larger picture do so.

    I set mine at the recommended settings of 640 x 480 and I'm getting the HD symbol on my feed, and I'm in the first few rows of hosts on the front page.
    hmmmm .... I'm curious what result settings of 1280 x 720 ( = 720p ) would yield ?!?! The real issue may be bandwidth limitations at SM's server farm, which would benefit from the 640 x 480 reduced resolution.
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    I'll second you on the resolution. At first it seemed odd, but when you consider that the in-browser player can only handle so much....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    It should, since both Apple Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 are an order of magnitude faster than anything using USB 2.0 !!!
    I actually don't think that the Intensity Shuttle is even compatible with USB2 or certain chipsets (laptops mainly) so I'm uber excited to use this monster with an equal brute of a machine with my EVID

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    Default Re: How much do you think upgrading your technology affects your traffic/placement on

    The BlackMagic Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 is only compatible with Intel X58, X79 and Sandy/Ivy Bridge chipsets (in this case, I guess Laptop versions are included), unfortunately. AFAIK, it only works in USB 3.0 (If it DOES work in USB 2.0 the functionality might be heavily limited) so before buying that, do your research and plan upgrades if you require them.

    I don't think Streamate gives preference to one OS over another because both are capable of doing the same thing at the end of the day. I think it's more likely based on Hardware specifications (What CPU you have, how much RAM you have, your webcam quality, resolution and FPS) as well as your internet upload speed. Macs usually have better hardware specifications than prebuilt PC's, but like I said before, that doesn't means Macs will give you a better placement. We'd have to test this Hypothesis with a good PC (With good specifications, you know, Sandy Bridge Quad-Core & enough RAM) to see if I'm right or not.
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