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    Default Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    Hi I'm camming on streamate and reading other posts and seeing how much other girls make I'm really dissapointed of myself.
    I don't want to make thousands a week, I just want to achieve some average.

    Since Monday (Last 5 days) I've been online for about 33-34 hours and I have only have made 140 $ . That is about only 4$ an hour...
    On the beggining the first two weeks I used to make about 320-340$ a week (beeing online about 32-35 hrs) Which reading others work I still think it's too little.

    Can you tell me any advice how to improve ?

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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    I was on SM today for 3 hours and made a whopping $45. Idk about SM anymore. But then again I have never really done well on there. I wish I could offer some advice but honestly I have yet to figure out for myself what I am doing wrong there when I am doing really well on other sites.

    Especially since SM is supposed to be "where the moneys at" or somthin.

    I feel the pain too.

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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    asking just in case.....
    are u using the HD Abobe video?
    do u have sound?
    do u have a good webcam ( logitech)?
    do u make sure that u look good on cam? ( hair makeup... your camming space... cloths..etc)
    are u nice to people who come in your room?
    do u smile?
    do u tease/dance?
    do u have a decent price? ( 2.99 and up)?
    do u use toys and willing to get naked?
    do u try to upsell? ( tell them you can send pics for gold.. IE $10 for 3 -4 pics?)
    do u constantly remind them what they;re there for?
    do u make it sound like this is fun for u and NOT work?
    DO U TAKE YOUR TIME IN PRIVATE?

    IF you do all these things., then dont give up!
    Today is a new day...

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    Please go thru the last four or five pages of threads and look for information regarding Streamate, the new encoder settings, etc., and take a look at the "General Camming Sucks" thread.

    This past week has been especially brutal for many models. Not ALL models (I'm not starting a discussion on who is doing well and who is not) are doing poorly, but the new settings have caused problems for performers and customers alike. While many are benefiting from it, many are not.

    Your profile says you've been in this forum since March, so you should be aware of how much income fluctuates from model to model, day to day, week to week, site to site.

    $4/hr is very low and you probably need to take a serious look at what's going on. Do you have an HD icon? What does your stream look like? Those are issues that I and other people have had this week. (See thread on SM Encoder Settings) There was a day this week where I gave up b/c I was only making about $5/hr, when my normal minimum to keep me online is about $35/hr.

    Also, the amount you are charging per minute could have a lot to do with it. When I started, I charged $1.99/min (which comes out to 70 CENTS per minute my share) and I quickly learned I would never earn money charging that much. I'm not telling you how much to charge, but you should consider how long it takes to accumulate and to resemble a decent paycheck.

    Everyone has their own personal goals for hourly, daily, and weekly. There are lots of threads discussing the vast range of goals. However, you are making less than 1/2 of minimum wage in most states, and you are probably responsible for paying higher taxes. So you need to take a look at what you can do, if anything, to improve your circumstances, even if that means examining whether or not camming is for you.

    Good luck, girl.

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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    I have a logitech webcam it is not HD , but it has good picture. (I'll try get HD cam and start with the encoder soon).
    I charge now 1.99$ a min. I started with 1.89$ .
    Then I went to 2.49$ (The second day since I got on this rate was my best day I made about 113$ in 6-7 hours).
    And just when I tough it would be great and maybe I could average 100$... After that day I had a whole week of making only 15-35 daily ( working 7 hours a day).

    And more days were bad, so I lowered my rate to my current 1.99$ and it's very bad now... I'm really lost don't know what to do...

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    How long have you been with SM? If you have not been on long it could be that you don't have much exposure yet. How is your cam? Good quality? Do you tease? Play music? Etc?

    When things slow down in my room I always start specials to bring in traffic. Like last night was really slow in the BBW section so I did a TGIF Special. $1.99p/m premium chats for 1 hour only (reg price $3.99p/m). My room was sizzling and at one time I had 15 guys in my premium. So you have to do little things like that. Once my special was over, I still had reasonable traffic. Market yourself, specials, etc Good luck to you.

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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    I think the worst thing you can do when you're not making enough is to lower your rate. But that's just my opinion. You said yourself that your BEST day was when you charged more.

    I know it's rough right now, but it's been a nightmare for a lot of people on SM.

    Hang in there and work on getting that HD icon.

    Edit to add: I didn't read the post above mine (regarding "specials") before posting my reply, so please don't think I'm scolding for that. I once did a special price for an hour when I really needed to make money quick. Then I raised my price again once that hour ended. I wouldn't make a regular habit of it tho, because then most of my customers will just hang out waiting for me to lower my price and begging for it. Same as with goldshows and regular shows.
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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    Also I'm in the UTC/GMT +1 Timezone. And I get online from 23-24 to 06-07 hour in the morning . That is from about 7pm-8pm till 01am-02am in EST.

    May that have influence like too early, cause most of the customers are from USA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    asking just in case.....
    are u using the HD Abobe video?
    do u have sound?
    do u have a good webcam ( logitech)?
    do u make sure that u look good on cam? ( hair makeup... your camming space... cloths..etc)
    are u nice to people who come in your room?
    do u smile?
    do u tease/dance?
    do u have a decent price? ( 2.99 and up)?
    do u use toys and willing to get naked?
    do u try to upsell? ( tell them you can send pics for gold.. IE $10 for 3 -4 pics?)
    do u constantly remind them what they;re there for?
    do u make it sound like this is fun for u and NOT work?
    DO U TAKE YOUR TIME IN PRIVATE?

    IF you do all these things., then dont give up!
    Today is a new day...
    Yes to all the above. *sigh* I just need to think more positive. One day I AM going to do well on SM. Today I will!!!

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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    wacth your attitude and mood.... guys can tell if you are needy or bored or frustrated they can tell and no guys like a girls that begs....

    Your under lining mood does show thou on cam.....

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    Default Re: Need advice, much time little $ on SM

    That rate! Raise it!

    You aren't something off the McDonalds dollar menu, and you have to let them know it. Higher rates will attract better (read as: less assholish and beggy) patrons, and the privates you DO get will earn you all that much more!

    If someone bitches about your rates, let them know you're worth it, and believe it yourself. This is more than a random job, we have to have a certain degree of emotional involvement (or damn good acting) or they can SMELL our weakness. And the second they do, they'll walk all over you.

    So pep up, believe in yourself, and remember that you are a LUXURY ITEM. They could be browsing tube sites, but instead they're looking for a more personalized experience, which YOU can (and do) provide.

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    Definitely raise your rates!! And maybe try some other sites....how long have you been on SM? If you have 30-40hrs per week to cam consistently, MFC may be a good bet. (It takes a lot of time, so the more you have, the better) Give it a month or two before giving up on a site, but at the same time, if you are putting in that many hours and not getting a return, try some different things.
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    I am going to be the odd man out here and tell you changing your rates at this point in time may not make a difference. I remember my first week that I worked in SM I made something a long the lines of $400 for about 25 hours that I worked. I had a logitech C9000 and my internet was crappy as fuck. I was charging $1.99/minute premium and $2.50 exclusive. Keep in mind, even with the encoder, a web camera is not streaming in true HD. However you are getting a real good resolution.

    Greet every member that comes in to your room and be entertaining (light conversation, maybe some dancing, etc). Buying a good quality webcam will be a first step. You will see your income increase. In the future, upon seeing your income increase you will want to take some of your money and invest it in a very high quality internet service, perhaps a camcorder, and a newer computer. You will also want to invest in toys, lingerie, etc.

    I would not increase your rate until you at least have a good quality webcam and stream going on. I really do not think it is fair to ask customers to pay high rates for crappy streams, I really don't. Yes some will pay for it, but the majority want to spend on someone they can actually see properly and who does not lag/freeze.



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    As kind of stated, all of us camgirls seem to experiment with different sites. We all have slow days, when it's slow on my main site (MFC), I go to my backup site which is just there without the pressure of camscore. But I was on a camsite for ages without trying MFC because of some 'loyalty' i felt -.-". When I went on MFC I made way more, way more easy, and had a good groove.

    You should probably experiement, as is obviously stated in this forum SM and MFC are the main ones. People tend to do well on one or the other, or do way better at least. maybe you'll be a hit on MFC or just enjoy the way it works (for me it feels more laid back personally), maybe you'll go back to SM appreciating its setup more and be happy to be back which will show in your shows. doesn't hurt to broaden your spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    asking just in case.....
    are u using the HD Abobe video?
    do u have sound?
    do u have a good webcam ( logitech)?
    do u make sure that u look good on cam? ( hair makeup... your camming space... cloths..etc)
    are u nice to people who come in your room?
    do u smile?
    do u tease/dance?
    do u have a decent price? ( 2.99 and up)?
    do u use toys and willing to get naked?
    do u try to upsell? ( tell them you can send pics for gold.. IE $10 for 3 -4 pics?)
    do u constantly remind them what they;re there for?
    do u make it sound like this is fun for u and NOT work?
    DO U TAKE YOUR TIME IN PRIVATE?

    IF you do all these things., then dont give up!
    Today is a new day...
    I wouldn't have thought that you'd place the threshold of "decent rate" as low as 2.99.

    *good naturedly teasing you*


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    SM is making changes in their ranking algorithm that strongly favors girls who have HD capable hardware and who are using their latest HD encoder ... see

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsobelWren View Post
    I wouldn't have thought that you'd place the threshold of "decent rate" as low as 2.99.

    *good naturedly teasing you*
    me of all people.. lool
    well.. if OP is questioning what she should charge... than at least go from 2.99 (and up)..
    if ur questioning how much ur shows/ur time worth...hum.. thats a bad sign.

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    ... And don't forget a lot of european countires are involved in football season ! It always seems to have a direct impact on my traffic - Especially at match times. Good time to log off and take a break !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy View Post
    ... And don't forget a lot of european countires are involved in football season ! It always seems to have a direct impact on my traffic - Especially at match times. Good time to log off and take a break !
    I'm not looking forward the olympics. Atough I hope they will still have boners and extra money from betting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glasses View Post
    I'm not looking forward the olympics. Atough I hope they will still have boners and extra money from betting...
    If I could get back home for the olympics, I would do it in a heartbeat!! When the olympics were here, I was making TRIPLE the money in the clubs with less than half the effort!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    If I could get back home for the olympics, I would do it in a heartbeat!! When the olympics were here, I was making TRIPLE the money in the clubs with less than half the effort!
    Aye probably it'll be like heaven in the clubs there.

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    Thanks for all advices. I will try get HD camera soon and start using the encoder. I hope it will be better.

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