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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Quite a lot really, over multiple posts; if someone was paying for this, we would call it the GFE.

    Complaints? Willful participation negates the proposed complaint. Issues? Persecution complex, for starters; some inferiority issues (Daddy?) when your POV is not accepted. Outbursts with some youthful issues with self-control. That is youth though.

    I figured you for a sock puppet, however I am inclined to agree with others. This is not your first go around with this community. You spend too much time talking about the rules, and you know the Members to well……. Stumbled across this site for politics and relationship advice, really? However, not interested in the Strippers, well except as someone to be confrontational with. Of course, I can believe in stumbling across Stripperweb because of a non-sexual purpose, I myself came because of links to Electronic music. Really Strippers are the show case though, not the music, or the politics. The banter can be quite engaging.

    See here is your misinterpretation of the rules. Your barely tolerated here as am I. You are not a Stripper. I am not a Stripper. I don’t work in the sex industry, and a sex industry documentary viewing marathon is not really going to give you a credible viewpoint as far as the actual sex industry workers here. The rules are for the Sex industry workers, not the gawkers. Your participation can actually (and has) been terminated without cause.

    What do non-industry males do here? Mostly audience participation. The Strippers ask us, and we reply. Is this music ok? What is a good lap dance? What is it we want to be entertained by, and in what manner? Etc. etc. Essentially, the Ladies ask us and we tell them how to better take our money. Win, Win, as each half comes away feeling for the most part like they made a fair exchange. We act as a sounding board to go over ideas, so as to facilitate a better money making night for the Strippers.

    This is where I usually step aside. A remark like that often calls up the hydra attack. If you thought the replies to your vulgar presumptuous arrogance had called forth a backlash before.

    Try this again. Strippers and Escorts have their differences, however one place they do agree, if a non-industry male makes an attack on either, it is an attack on sex workers as a community.

    The clock is ticking.
    That persecution complex of yours is pretty ugly.
    Actually, there are many reasons for why or why not Members participate. It is night as I post this here in the US, a lot of Members are working. A lot of threads could be stopped before they start if newbies would simply acquaint themselves with the search feature. The Members who have been here for years have grown tired of repeating advice given to each new crop of baby strippers disgorged onto the market every summer. Lastly let’s face it times are bad, and competition is fierce, help could well cost someone a portion of their income. Sad on a support site, but we have to be real about motivations. Alot don't read or post outside of their favorite board. It is presumptuous indeed to believe you have the pulse on how a few thousand Member choose to participate.


    Why should anyone else accommodate your big, big show departure? You can delete your own posts (search feature by right click on your screen name) and you can delete your own profile. It is a feature of your profile. Available anytime.
    Just spare us one thing, be the first to make a dramatic vegas showgirl exit; then not make a new profile to read and respond to the commentary on said exit.
    Want to be the big girl here? Do that.

    Meh, we will see.
    Merry go round, anyone?


    For anyone familiar with the animated sitcom American Dad, there is an eerie resemblance between Stan Smith and ArmySGT and Yoda. They imagine themselves to be the Stan Smiths of Stripperweb, who invent non-existent enemies to pick fights with in order to assert and reassert their 'alpha male' persona by challenging and dismissing any informed opinions that do not reflect their preconceived notions, beliefs, and worldview. In fact, both sidestep the topics up for debate, and prefer to attack a board member’s character instead. I suppose it’s always easier to engage in character assassination than it is to spend time to discuss and debate a subject whether or not they agree with it. I have observed that both, along with their cronies, resort to vicious tactics to defame and question the credibility of ‘newbie’ board members, even though some have been long-standing members on other regional and national discussion boards such as this one.

    The first tactic is to accuse a board member of signing up under an alt handle. The burden of proof falls upon them, the accusers. Now, I have written extensively on several topics in these discussion threads. Surely, if I am a troll, and if I am someone who was banned as they presume, and returned under a new handle, they should be able to detect who he or she is based on their writing style. It does not take any special skills to identify someone’s writing style based on the word choice, sentence structure, and content of their writing. In fact, there are applications that can do the work for them. So please, by all means, provide some solid evidence that I am someone who was under a previous handle. I have even invited moderators to check the IP address to ascertain that I am indeed a new board member.

    The second tactic is to play Dr. Freud and accuse a board member of having persecution/superiority/inferiority complex, an overinflated ego, or being an outright egomaniac. More disturbing is resorting to inflammatory sexist rhetoric such as ‘to make a dramatic Vegas showgirl exit,’ and 'want to be the big girl here.’ And, this comes from someone who boasts to be a long-standing vocal supporter of Stripper Web. Kellydancer’s superb expose of ArmySGT's caveman misogynist view about gender relations demonstrates hypocrisy at its worst. But it won't deter him from continuing with his militia and minuteman-inspired tactics to intimidate board members.

    Yoda’s handle says it all. I won’t even bother with a rebuttal other than to say that he likes to pick fights with board members. As a moderator, he may represent eighty-thousand board members, but his opinions and his under-handed comments are not representative of the views of all board members. The few who keep agreeing with each other can pat each other on the back as much as they like by clicking on the ‘Thanks' button each time they post, but five or six board members agreeing with each other is nothing in comparison to the eighty-thousand board members here. Of course, with their paranoiac mistrust of others, it would not be surprising that they would accuse me or anyone else for that matter of having eighty-thousand alt handles on StripperWeb, which is not hard to imagine considering how they mistreat board members; mistreatments that are often equivalent to virtual floggings, hazing, and public humiliation of anyone not worthy of their blessing. Carry on. No one is intimidated by board bullies and self-appointed hall monitors. Readers can judge for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    For anyone familiar with the animated sitcom American Dad, there is an eerie resemblance between Stan Smith and ArmySGT and Yoda. They imagine themselves to be the Stan Smiths of Stripperweb, who invent non-existent enemies to pick fights with in order to assert and reassert their 'alpha male' persona by challenging and dismissing any informed opinions that do not reflect their preconceived notions, beliefs, and worldview. In fact, both sidestep the topics up for debate, and prefer to attack a board member’s character instead. I suppose it’s always easier to engage in character assassination than it is to spend time to discuss and debate a subject whether or not they agree with it. I have observed that both, along with their cronies, resort to vicious tactics to defame and question the credibility of ‘newbie’ board members, even though some have been long-standing members on other regional and national discussion boards such as this one.
    Damn Yoda, I think you and I slapped a tar baby. Have we been feeding one of those fetishists for whom humiliation is a sexual high? Ladies, what do I charge? Since it is writing, do you think $40 a PM (paid first of course) is fair?
    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    The first tactic is to accuse a board member of signing up under an alt handle. The burden of proof falls upon them, the accusers. Now, I have written extensively on several topics in these discussion threads. Surely, if I am a troll, and if I am someone who was banned as they presume, and returned under a new handle, they should be able to detect who he or she is based on their writing style. It does not take any special skills to identify someone’s writing style based on the word choice, sentence structure, and content of their writing. In fact, there are applications that can do the work for them. So please, by all means, provide some solid evidence that I am someone who was under a previous handle. I have even invited moderators to check the IP address to ascertain that I am indeed a new board member.
    You also invited the Moderators to delete your account and posts. Yet, here you are spinning your tale of woe. Informed opinions? Look, you can’t cover dog shit in frosting, and call it cake; or was there a documentary on this, and I missed it. I haven’t had cable since 2009 so references to a children’s cartoon will miss the mark.

    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    The second tactic is to play Dr. Freud and accuse a board member of having persecution/superiority/inferiority complex, an overinflated ego, or being an outright egomaniac. More disturbing is resorting to inflammatory sexist rhetoric such as ‘to make a dramatic Vegas showgirl exit,’ and 'want to be the big girl here.’ And, this comes from someone who boasts to be a long-standing vocal supporter of Stripper Web. Kellydancer’s superb expose of ArmySGT's caveman misogynist view about gender relations demonstrates hypocrisy at its worst. But it won't deter him from continuing with his militia and minuteman-inspired tactics to intimidate board members.
    Old news, huh? You must have been informed of these less desirable traits before. Really, was it from someone you desperately desire approval from? A parent or a mentor to who you have not measured up?
    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    Yoda’s handle says it all. I won’t even bother with a rebuttal other than to say that he likes to pick fights with board members. As a moderator, he may represent eighty-thousand board members, but his opinions and his under-handed comments are not representative of the views of all board members. The few who keep agreeing with each other can pat each other on the back as much as they like by clicking on the ‘Thanks' button each time they post, but five or six board members agreeing with each other is nothing in comparison to the eighty-thousand board members here. Of course, with their paranoiac mistrust of others, it would not be surprising that they would accuse me or anyone else for that matter of having eighty-thousand alt handles on StripperWeb, which is not hard to imagine considering how they mistreat board members; mistreatments that are often equivalent to virtual floggings, hazing, and public humiliation of anyone not worthy of their blessing. Carry on. No one is intimidated by board bullies and self-appointed hall monitors. Readers can judge for themselves.
    Heh, Heh Yoda, this one is for you. I will be sure to “Thank” your reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    Yoda’s handle says it all.
    What does it say exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    I won’t even bother with a rebuttal other than to say that he likes to pick fights with board members. As a moderator, he may represent eighty-thousand board members, but his opinions and his under-handed comments are not representative of the views of all board members.
    Picking fights? What I do is respond to posts Think. If my refusal to agree with your positions or your explanations constitutes picking a fight I can live with that. If you want to start a blog go right ahead. This is a message board. We all get to join-in. My comments, by the way, are my comments. They are not meant to be representative of anyone but me. Why on earth would you think that I attempt to be representative of "all board members"? "Under-handed comments"? What on earth are you talking about? I simply don't agree with you. What exactly is under-handed about that? I was a member here for almost ten years before becoming a mod and, for the record, I didn't ask for it, I was approached-as all mods are-because others thought I would be good at it. If you have a problem with my moderation please feel free to contact the administrators of the site. I'm not sure what you think a mod's job is here on SW but we don't give up our right to have an opinion when we agree to be moderators.

    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    The few who keep agreeing with each other can pat each other on the back as much as they like by clicking on the ‘Thanks' button each time they post, but five or six board members agreeing with each other is nothing in comparison to the eighty-thousand board members here. Of course, with their paranoiac mistrust of others, it would not be surprising that they would accuse me or anyone else for that matter of having eighty-thousand alt handles on StripperWeb, which is not hard to imagine considering how they mistreat board members; mistreatments that are often equivalent to virtual floggings, hazing, and public humiliation of anyone not worthy of their blessing. Carry on. No one is intimidated by board bullies and self-appointed hall monitors. Readers can judge for themselves.
    Oh Whaaah! As has been pointed out before, no one is forcing you to post here. This is at least the second time you've threatened to take your ball and leave the sandbox but yet here you are again. Stay or go, we don't really care but if you think the moderators are going to force everyone else on the site to make-nice with you I'm afraid you are out of luck. You are not being bullied or mistreated here, you are participating in discussions with people who don't agree with you. We are not your friends or co-workers. We are not having a debate over a few drinks at your favorite watering hole. What we are is a bunch of, mostly, total strangers sitting behind computer screens commenting on what we all say.

    Take it or leave it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post

    1. What I do is respond to posts Think.
    2. I simply don't agree with you.
    3.Take it or leave it.
    1. You don't have to respond to my posts, and if you do, respond to the content of my posts. Or, you can simply ignore them. It's an existential choice you are making. No once forces you to respond. Am I that difficult to ignore? I take you are on a 'bullshitter' hunt of some sort, but you are barking up the wrong tree.
    2. About what? We haven't even debated any topics other than cheap back and forth jib-jabs and character assassinations which seems to be your forte.
    3. Take what? Insults?
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    Your not getting it Think. This is a message board and I'm a member here because I ENJOY participating. Why should I ignore your posts? . You are, of course, free to put me or any other member of the site on ignore if you wish.

    If I have insulted you complain to a moderator. Again, not agreeing with you is not the same thing as insulting you. Refusing to ignore your posts is not the same thing as insulting you.
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    Again, not agreeing with you is not the same thing as insulting you.
    Disagreeing with me about what? I haven't read any rebuttals or counterpoints to anything I have posted from you. You are merely arguing for the sake of arguing. Where are your talking points? This back and forth argument between us has digressed so much from the topic of the thread that it has become absurd.

    Here, let me help you out: Should women get paid for sex?

    There. Now we are back on track again.
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    Disagreeing with me about what? I haven't read any rebuttals or counterpoints to anything I have posted from you. You are merely arguing for the sake of arguing.
    My entire first post to you in this thread was an item by item rebuttal to one of your posts Think. If it doesn't measure up to your standards that's not really a concern for me. You don't get to re-invent the rules of engagement here. Stripper web is not going to change for you. Join-in and say your piece or log off and go play in another sand box of your choosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    My entire first post to you in this thread was an item by item rebuttal to one of your posts Think. If it doesn't measure up to your standards that's not really a concern for me. You don't get to re-invent the rules of engagement here. Stripper web is not going to change for you. Join-in and say your piece or log off and go play in another sand box of your choosing.
    Post #77? The reply to my post about documentaries? The one-liners? I believe that was not the topic of this thread. Enough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think! View Post
    Enough said.
    We can only hope....
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    this thread is getting painful

    Think!, I've gotta say outside of this thread I've really enjoyed many of your posts here on sw. In this thread however, with all due respect, you're way off-base.

    As far as I can discern, the controversy here started with you raising some discussion points about escorting based upon a doc you saw (and later other unnamed sources). What you need to understand about this site is that it is primarily focused upon the lived experiences of those of us who engage in various forms of sex work. In general, this site doesn't look favorably upon 'outsiders' who jump in and assume that they're at liberty to tell us about ourselves and the nature of our work, and quite frankly that's one of my favorite characteristics of this space. I know I'd spend much less time here if I had to deal with cam customers pontificating unchallenged upon the nature of our work and those of us who do it.

    While I appreciate your posts elsewhere, particularly as they relate to more overtly politically-based threads, in this thread your opinions about those of us who do sex work (particularly when the only cited source is a doc about agency escorting), don't carry much weight. As you know every media source has a perspective, and those perspectives often do not necessarily reflect the real life experiences of participants in this, or any field. Much of what is available in mainstream media regarding sex work, whatever the form, is laughably inaccurate. The blue ribbons who tend to last around here understand that their views on our work are not given a place of primary importance, and they respect the inherent slant built into the culture of this site. This site is not primarily about 'others' views on the nature of work they do not do.

    Regarding the issue of 'legitimacy' that Aurora raised earlier, what you have to understand is that the camming and escort populations of Stripperweb are mainly comprised of specific niches of camming and escorting. If you read more than you write (and I do hope you keep writing) you will gain an appreciation for that. From reading in Other Work, I've come to realize that, while there are only a minute handful of independent cammers on stripperweb, conversely the majority of regular posters on the 'escort' board (Other Work) are independent...I can actually think of only one chica who is with an agency currently.

    What you're describing about sex work based upon a documentary (and other uncited sources) does not relate to the lived experiences of these women's work. Further, while you are correct that on a global scale, sex workers (particularly those involved in 'subsistence sex') tend to be from lower-income backgrounds, that is not the reality of the majority of women involved in escorting who post on this board. Being an independent escort requires access to fairly substantial resources when starting out (advertising costs, out-call locations, screening services), and thus this site focuses upon a specific niche in one area of the sex industry (escorting) where the social locations of the women involved do not mirror international stats. As such, your opinions about these women and the nature of their work are inaccurate.

    The difficulty you're having is the reason why this site is so important to many of us. Stripperweb is a place for us to talk about ourselves, with respectful input from men who appreciate that the consumption of forms of media created by 'outsiders' and academic literature does not grant them a role of authority in telling us about our lives.

    While I do appreciate that you've unfortunately encountered two female posters on stripperweb who have cultivated a hobby in internet squabbling, some of the posts to which you object in this thread are making vital and valid points. Stripperweb has an overtly defined culture, and that won't change for you or anyone else. If you can come to terms with that I do hope you'll keep posting.

    peace
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    Thank you Loveshooks. I appreciate your input. This is what I was expecting to hear: an even-handed response without resorting to character assassination. This is not to say Yoda, Army, Kelly or others were deliberately attacking me, however, their reaction to an 'outsider' such as myself caught me off-guard. Not that I was expecting the red carpet to be rolled out in front of me while representatives of StripperWeb impatiently waited to warmly embrace me with champagne bottles popping in their hands. Peace everyone.

    I am careful that when I write and post a comment that I don't speak for or on behalf of anyone's 'lived experiences.' I can only speak for my own experiences. And if I expressed an opinion to the effect that "most escorts are managed," that does not imply anyone associated with StripperWeb is or could possibly be managed. I can now see how someone here could find my comment offensive.
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