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    This project will only be funded if at least $30,000 is pledged by Wednesday Jul 18, 11:59pm EDT.

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    This made me misty eyed when I watched it. I really hope that it gets the truth of how our industry really works out there, to more people that would otherwise never know or that can also, perhaps, make a difference as well.
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    It's up to $9,534 !!!! 8 days left. I hope they reach the $30,000 to make this happen.

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    Be careful what you wish for. I wonder how the girls in Missouri feel about all the wonderful new laws now in effect for their clubs. At least the animated LOLA, assuming that she is really based upon an actual dancer, CAN pay for her mother's medical treatments. All too often, inviting politicians to setup rules for adult entertainment leads to more harm than good.

    I also found this little piece to be quite telling:


    DAISY ANARCHY goes public about the strip clubs’ illegal activities & demands that the city enforce the laws to uphold workers’ rights. One agency drafts legislation to end the club violations. But a battle ensues as strip clubs & most surprisingly the strippers themselves rally in support of the illegal conditions.


    Now either all of these strippers are just too dumb to know what is best for them or they are simply not buying what these couple of girls are trying to sell, largely I'm sure due to a fear that their earnings could be affected if politicians and government officials start monkeying around with their workplaces. Idk, but if I had to guess, I would vote for the latter. And I think we could all see politicians and government agencies using this type of a video as a justification to place for all sorts of onerous - and money killing - rules and controls on clubs and dancers.

    Idk, but I find it interesting that the ones who start these crusades always wait until they are ex dancers, often after they've filed lawsuits for back "wages" or have some other interest in getting their names publicized.

    There are no easy answers here and I am in no way trying to downplay the challenges faced by the dancers in San Francisco, but I'm not sure I would trust the motivations of the person who wants to "save" a population of dancers who have already demonstrated that they don't want her brand of saving.
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    ^^

    How long have you been dancing? I've been dancing for 10 years almost now & while I can say that those scenario's are not true for everyone, they are true for many. I've been in this business long enough also to see that the industry has also changed dramatically over the years.
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    There's a documentary called "Live Nude Girls Unite!" which was about the girls at the Lusty Lady in San Fransisco fighting to change their working conditions. I think there is also a stripper union in San Fransisco.

    I don't like how this documentary is portraying the "adapt" option. Lola the sixteen year old animated stripper with a sick mother is not really showing a woman adapting. It's a bit extreme...

    I adapt by setting my own boundaries, not putting myself in compromising positions (personal responsibility), getting my money and going home. If Lola is real why did the documentarian choose this extreme case to depict how it really is to be a stripper? What about the millions of us who are of age and actually doing okay? If it truly is a documentary there should be more than three examples of strippers, and show the ones who are on the opposition, as well. Do they not have a say? She has an agenda to promote.

    Why not invest and open a strip club that pays wages and benefits and change the industry that way instead of spreading stereotypes of the tortured victim stripper and getting the government involved, which would rather get rid of strip clubs alltogether? I guess you're right, Rick. The filmmaker is no longer supporting herself in this industry so it's okay to bring in the government to regulate/fine/tax the rest of us out of business.
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    Up to $10,176 6 days left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandi_Lynn View Post
    ^^

    How long have you been dancing? I've been dancing for 10 years almost now & while I can say that those scenario's are not true for everyone, they are true for many. I've been in this business long enough also to see that the industry has also changed dramatically over the years.
    I never asked for a bj and other stuff. I don't know too many customers ask for it. In Toronto there is no touching by law. It is to a point if a stripper hugs a customer she is charged and goes to court. The strippers are asking for Toronto to reconsider the by law. I never been to a club where they allowed touching like that. I knew of one underage girl that was stripping but she lied about her age when the club found out out the door she went. I don't know about the USA. But I know in Ontario it doesn't happen.
    In Montreal I hear there's a lot of touching. The point is these women can go to another club or get another job. This is just going to kill the industry than improve it. What do you think the public will think? They would probably want these clubs shut down. This is especially true with people living near the clubs.

    Btw the city of Toronto, Ontario, Canada is considering turning strip clubs into Brothels.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29...onto-city-hall
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    Quote Originally Posted by jekka View Post
    There's a documentary called "Live Nude Girls Unite!" which was about the girls at the Lusty Lady in San Fransisco fighting to change their working conditions. I think there is also a stripper union in San Fransisco..
    The Lusty Lady is now nothing more than a peep show jack shack. It is also, not surprisingly, in financial trouble and likely won't be around much longer. I suppose that putting glass between dancers and customers is one way to approach dancer safety, but there is a reason that most of the old peep show joints are now closed, which of course is the rise of Internet porn and cam girls.

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius...5s-3547486.php

    Quote Originally Posted by jekka View Post
    Why not invest and open a strip club that pays wages and benefits and change the industry that way instead of spreading stereotypes of the tortured victim stripper and getting the government involved, which would rather get rid of strip clubs alltogether? I guess you're right, Rick. The filmmaker is no longer supporting herself in this industry so it's okay to bring in the government to regulate/fine/tax the rest of us out of business.
    Exactly. If she really wished to help dancers, she wouldn't be trying to create something that could hurt their images and, ultimately, their livelihoods. This is all about self aggrandizement and promotion.

    And as far as the animated "LOLA" is concerned, her story is awfully convenient. An illegal immigrant AND underage girl supposedly forced to work in a club to save her dying mother. All that is missing from that cartoon is a father who was secretly killed by a greedy strip club owner who needed him out of the way so that he could corrupt the daughter.

    I just don't know. Obviously we all have to judge for ourselves and I'm not trying to tell anybody else what to think about all of this, but IMHO this whole thing just stinks and the only people who will benefit from this are Hima B and Daisy Anarchy.
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    I wonder what happens if they don't meet their goal. Do they return the money or they just enjoyed a nice payday? It's up to $15,786 with 5 days left. Still that doesn't seem like much time.

    Also a license to strip and to pay a fee for that never made sense to me. I only heard about that requirement through this site. I don't get why someone needs a license to take their clothing off and dance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    I never asked for a bj and other stuff. I don't know too many customers ask for it. In Toronto there is no touching by law. It is to a point if a stripper hugs a customer she is charged and goes to court. The strippers are asking for Toronto to reconsider the by law. I never been to a club where they allowed touching like that. I knew of one underage girl that was stripping but she lied about her age when the club found out out the door she went. I don't know about the USA. But I know in Ontario it doesn't happen.
    In Montreal I hear there's a lot of touching. The point is these women can go to another club or get another job. This is just going to kill the industry than improve it. What do you think the public will think? They would probably want these clubs shut down. This is especially true with people living near the clubs.

    Btw the city of Toronto, Ontario, Canada is considering turning strip clubs into Brothels.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29...onto-city-hall
    Okay, maybe you or your friends never did -but I definitely got propositioned for bjs, sex, extras, etc more on a regular basis than I did for dances -& I've worked from everything from top tier gentleman's clubs (VIP's, Saphirres, Rick's, etc) to blue collar to dive clubs. My head sure as hell isn't in the clouds considering I was the one having to deal w/ this on a daily basis -shit, I drank waaay too much just because it became way too hard because of this.

    My point is, while these scenarios may not be true for everyone they have become true for very many girls. Definitely not true for me in most situations, but I have worked in environments where it is true for some girls. And as for girls getting hire underage -for a certain dancer that does not believe this (dancingdiva) .... I have worked w/ 3 dif girls at dif clubs that were actually underage. It's really not that hard to pull -9 times out of 10 the club has no idea, because the girls are riding on stolen info. Duh. Just like using fake id's to get into bars & clubs, huh....?!
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    on kickstarter if you dont reach your goal, the funds are returned

    The person behind this has done a lot for sex work advocacy while working as a sex worker and beyond, so this isnt just a pet project or her first documentary about improving work conditions either. One of the people featured in the project is still working as a sex worker/dancer and all of her advocacy as been while in the industry.

    Whether you agree or not or it reflects your own experience or the experience of some dancers you know - this isnt a naive project by someone who is unfamiliar. Im not personally sure how I feel about the approach in this project but I also dont have much direct experience to draw from.... but the idea that she doesnt know what she's talking about or it is an armchair approach to the industry is false.

    General comment: It sucks that documentaries by and for people in the industry struggle to get funded, but the ones by people never in the industry attacking the industry rarely have this struggle. Like for every "Live Nude Girls Unite" out there, I can think of like 20 counter-examples.





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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    I wonder what happens if they don't meet their goal. Do they return the money or they just enjoyed a nice payday?
    the money is handed to the producers whether it reaches the full amount or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtybekie View Post
    the money is handed to the producers whether it reaches the full amount or not
    This isnt true for this project and for all kickstarter projects: http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/backers:


    If I make a pledge, when is my card charged?

    If the project you’re backing is successfully funded, your card will be charged when the project reaches its funding deadline. If the project does not reach its funding goal, your card is never charged. That's why we call them pledges.

    If funding does not succeed do backers pay anything?

    Nothing. If funding is unsuccessful, all pledges are canceled and that's that.
    Also anecdotally: Ive pledged to a few kickstarter projects, only 1 was successful (meaning reached its goal) and that was the only one I was billed for.





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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...usaolp00000009

    just saw this online about the project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Also a license to strip and to pay a fee for that never made sense to me. I only heard about that requirement through this site. I don't get why someone needs a license to take their clothing off and dance?
    In my city, it's a complete and utter cash grab. All the clubs book dancers through the same agency, except for the club I work at which is itself registered as an agency and does their own hiring. You can't just like, decide to strip and get your license- the city won't give you one without a letter from an agency.

    I'm not sure how much an agency license costs, but it's a good chunk of change. So the city gets that. Then, in order for a dancer to work for an agency, she's gotta get her license from the city after the agency hires her. So they take that too- It's about $200 currently (randomly increased from about $120 last year), and you renew it by January 1. Which is incidentally the same time the taxi drivers and every other license given by the city are trying to renew. So that's a gong show. Also, if you started work in say, November of the previous year, you've paid your $200 for that year's license, and it expires January 1 of the next year. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    I never asked for a bj and other stuff. I don't know too many customers ask for it. In Toronto there is no touching by law. It is to a point if a stripper hugs a customer she is charged and goes to court. The strippers are asking for Toronto to reconsider the by law. I never been to a club where they allowed touching like that. I knew of one underage girl that was stripping but she lied about her age when the club found out out the door she went. I don't know about the USA. But I know in Ontario it doesn't happen.
    In Montreal I hear there's a lot of touching. The point is these women can go to another club or get another job. This is just going to kill the industry than improve it. What do you think the public will think? They would probably want these clubs shut down. This is especially true with people living near the clubs.

    Btw the city of Toronto, Ontario, Canada is considering turning strip clubs into Brothels.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29...onto-city-hall
    It always amazes me when men who are not even patrons of sex work issues are giving their opinion on it.

    Here is the thing with the strip clubs into brothels thing it came out pre-maturely when ontario top court agreed that some of the laws towards prostitution are unconstitutional and violate our human rights even if we are sex workers. so when that ruling changed the public ran with it and made a huge circus of out it. The media didn't wait long enough for the conversative government to yet again shut down the ruling. instead the conservative government went out with a vengence to stop migranting sex workers to come to canada and add in the no-touching by-law in strip clubs.

    you know what that creates when the government decided to make that enforcement more fear and the existing legal work in the sex trade to make working conditions even more unbareable and unsafe. whcih does what pushes us more underground
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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    It always amazes me when men who are not even patrons of sex work issues are giving their opinion on it.
    Do you have any proof of that? Are you stalking me? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    I never asked for a bj and other stuff. I don't know too many customers ask for it. In Toronto there is no touching by law. It is to a point if a stripper hugs a customer she is charged and goes to court. The strippers are asking for Toronto to reconsider the by law. I never been to a club where they allowed touching like that. I knew of one underage girl that was stripping but she lied about her age when the club found out out the door she went. I don't know about the USA. But I know in Ontario it doesn't happen.
    In Montreal I hear there's a lot of touching. The point is these women can go to another club or get another job. This is just going to kill the industry than improve it. What do you think the public will think? They would probably want these clubs shut down. This is especially true with people living near the clubs.

    Btw the city of Toronto, Ontario, Canada is considering turning strip clubs into Brothels.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29...onto-city-hall

    LMAO.

    Clearly you've never set foot inside a club in toronto. Let alone worked in one.

    I really hope that film gets made! I agree that the Lola story may be a bit extreme but I think the filmaker may have chosen it because of that. It will definitely get the attention of the public that I'm assuming she wants to do by creating the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odette View Post
    LMAO.

    Clearly you've never set foot inside a club in toronto. Let alone worked in one.

    I really hope that film gets made! I agree that the Lola story may be a bit extreme but I think the filmaker may have chosen it because of that. It will definitely get the attention of the public that I'm assuming she wants to do by creating the film.
    EDIT: talking about the original user who said that touching is illegal...

    I, and a number of other girls, have every club in Toronto covered. Maybe you are so repulsive that the girls don't touch you but I have never seen a girl charged or go to court for touching, giving handjobs, blowjobs, or even full sex.

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    +1 to everything BOTM said. That is exactly why I stopped dancing there as of last summer. I don't want to travel dance anymore (maybe in the future) and dancing in California (esp SF) is not worth it. In addition to everything BOTM said, most of the spenders come from San Jose which is an hour away, or more like 2 hours in traffic. So ALL of the strip clubs are DEAD Mon - Thurs nights. Suns are usually okay, those were my best days ironically bc there aren't many girls and a decent amount of customers. Fri & Sat are filled with drunk 20 & 30 somethings looking to ~*party*~ which is annoying, but at least clubs tend to fill up then.

    Sadly, SF holds pretty much the only real strip clubs in entire Northern California aside from like Sacramento which apparently really sucks and is like 2-2.5 hrs away or something. But if you *want* to dance and you live in Northern CA, chances are you're forced to work in SF. So that mean WAYYYYY too many girls wanting to work and not enough customers and money to go around. So what happens? Upscale clubs become SUPER selective about who they hire or you can work in an ethnic-y dive where extras are commonplace, you will likely not make any money in the former unless you get lucky, or you will likely have to do extras (or insinuate you will and hope your customer doesn't get pissed off) in the latter.

    Upscale clubs want extremely thin underweight girls because thats what CA businessmen prefer and the clubs rely heavily on that money. Upscale clubs in SF are only small to medium sized, but they turn Vegas style with fucktons of girls working Fri & Sat when theres actual money and a moderate amount of girls working weekdays when you HOPE and pray you will make more than $100. Often clubs are completely dead weekdays. Still though, dancers ALWAYS outnumber customers except for like midnight - 2am Fri and Sat which is when you make 90% of your money for the week at most clubs. If you don't work weekend, you will NOT make enough money to survive.

    Dives are the full nude clubs and its more like an anything goes atmosphere. Girls dildo each other and themselves and female customers on stage. Extras are everywhere. Not very many of the girls who work in full nude dives are lookers, so you can actually make some money in them... but only if you can deal with the environment. I couldn't deal with it. All the girls (and a lot of the customers) were really ghetto and I just didn't have anything in common with them so it was awkward unless I faked it (which was even more awkward for me lol). But I'm pretty sure full nude clubs are the only clubs you can make money in unless you become a *manager's pet* at an upscale club which is like only a couple girls who flirt with the nasty manager (and do who knows what else with him) so you can secretly fuck in VIP.



    Oh and for the record, dancing anywhere outside of California is NOTHING like it is in California. Especially SF. SF clubs are the dirtiest you'll ever find, with the highest fees you'll ever find, management & staff playing favorites like you've never seen before. If a manager is mad at you or annoyed that you didn't tip him enough or whatever you did that pissed him off, he has the ability to (and probably will) charge you hundreds of dollars in your payout. Its all fucking disgusting and I just didn't want to deal with it anymore.


    I really think SF clubs are a lost cause. Things won't change and have only gotten worse in the last 4 years or so. And only continue to get worse. And by worse I mean more fees, more girls, less customers, and more extras. The only way I see things changing is if the clubs start charging girls less (and why the fuck would they ever do that? lets be real here), if all clubs got new management (aka upscale clubs getting NICE managers and full nude clubs getting managers that watch for extras like a hawk), and if there was suddenly a mass influx of spendy customers (sorry but its been trending in the opposite direction for the last 4 years). And to be honestly, I don't see ANY of those things happening, let alone ALL of them happening which would need to be done in order for the prostitution issue to change.


    Oh and I don't really understand the point of this documentary? Isn't all of this common knowledge? Or is the point of this documentary for people in other places to see it? Or to get people to actually believe the facts who are in denial about whats its really like to dance in SF? Its funny bc girls have PMed me about SF clubs and even replied to my blunt SF dancing posts saying "what? thats not my experience! you don't have to be dirty to make money!" when they ask about working in SF and I bluntly tell them what its like. But whats funny about those girls is that they either do extras in VIP or the customer thinks hes going to get extras in VIP either through the dancer implying she'll do them or it being common knowledge that extras occur. Seriously, all the good money I made in SF was from insinuating I'd do extras, but never actually doing them & then acting like a bitch after I collected the cash (which is always upfront in SF). But that shit gets exhausting. Especially when you get a customer that tries to challenge you on it.

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    I go to the whiskey on a semi monthly bases and I've only been offered full sex/bj once. Sweet Girl, she was a soccer player semipro, but attention span of a super HADD. I declined, but I was so tempted.

    I did recently have a girl start jerking me off, shorts still on, but not to completion, her idea, no extra change.

    Still Whiskey has a rep for being a clean club and many dancers are no contact or only butt cheeks.

    Lola seems a strong arguement for universal healthcare in the states and better support for immigration intergration, not messing with stripclubs.

    Strippers have to compete with free and for pay porn, Burlsque, escorts, message parlours, Pickup, Cam Girls, its natural the services become more hands on as Cam Girls, Burlsque, and porn can't compete with that, giving strippers an edge.

    I do support unionization, but certain issues have to be addressed first, such as making peace between contact and none contact dancers and extra girls, otherwise you won't be able to unite.

    Also it can't be a normal type of union relationship because most dancers are contractors and most unions are designed for that (as a landscaper I can sympathise). A possible option would be the merged union in progress between the CAW and another union, which will offer an option to the unemployeed and contractors to join as a special type of member.

    That won't change the fact that clubs won't be able to offer wages and benifits without radically changing how they are structured with sacrifices on the parts of the girls. The clubs can't afford it otherwise.

    The Whiskey for example business is way,down as it is and they open later and later which really sucks for Dancers with kids .

    Clubs also have been dropping like flies, like Devil's Playground for example. The only clubs,that thrive are the Brass Rail which is a tourist trap, and the Trinity Clubs which are extra city.

    I do understand why some dancers are upset with the way things are going, but more rules are only going to result in few clubs, less customers. The "Good ole Days" of stripclubs are dead and gone and thier not coming back.

    I mean your not going to ban porn or cam girls, so this is the reality you have to face.

    To be far I don't live in SF so things could be different there, I can only use the GTA as an example.

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    They reached their goal and more $30,795 0 days left!! Wow!!

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