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    Okay ladies, I am posting this in case any of you, rookie or vet, ever make contact with this company, Camgirlstogo.com.
    They made contact with me on Twitter and claimed to be a paid promotional service. They kept Tweeting me, commenting on my show (even remarking publicly that it was slow), and asking when I would come fill out their form to become a potential client. They are supposed to do Twitter, Youtube, and other types of promotion (? I don't even know because they didn't specify), for a set fee, which was to be discussed via a Skype interview. Well, when I e-mailed them, I asked them for any reviews or stats they could provide, and/or who they represent. They sent me an e-mail full of blahblahblah, along with a screen shot of one of MFC's very recognizable top girls, with her fingers in her vag. Yep. So I felt like this was shady, and contacted that model (because I'd sure as hell want to know if some company was sending pics of my pussy to people)- surprise, surprise, she had no clue who they were. So I e-mailed them back and basically said thanks, but no thanks. This is what I got in reply. Keep in mind, I had not only never done the Skype interview with them yet, but certainly did not give them permission to use my stage name to make accounts ... with a photo NOT OF ME. Here are the e-mails, so all of you know how they conduct themselves:


    Hi KimKlass,

    The screenshots were examples of promos for that given day. I don't know *model name removed* either and her not knowing about being promoted doesn't negate a paid promotion request on our end and a job well done.



    Do you think only CamGirls order promotion??? 30%-40% of all orders come from CamSites, who pay to pump up their top talent (with or without their knowledge), top FANS give "promo gifts" regularly for their faves and logically CamGirls themselves request promo assistance daily. As for who paid for *model name removed*, I'm not knowledgable nor would I be at liberty to say, just like my failed attempt to retain that particular job's anonymity in the first place. My mistake.



    Yes, we will gladly remove your multiple fan sites as you are clearly not the entrepreneurial talent we anticipated. YOU LOSE another 1100 Followers @KimKlassFans (3 more similar Twitter pages exist, youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/kimklasstv for cross-over promo and your own website we've designed) We've been waiting to roll out and start directing paying viewers to your shows since your indication (you gave in email) that you wanted to move forward.

    You are the dishonest one and we've CLEARLY been working already towards what you led us to believe was a mutual goal; MORE VIEWERS FOR YOU and an opportunity for us to build the KK brand AND SHARE the profit. If you are so naive to truly believe you are simply/suddenly going to make the top 10 ON ANY SITE without a promotional effort behind you, then you might be in the wrong business. Reaching over 3k viewers per show is a long way from your 40-55 average, my dear. Let me know how that works out for you!

    As for tweeting "your show was slow", that was clearly a correspondence between you and CGTG, not a promo. We promote our girls over their Fan sites, where Twitter is concerned and directly to our thousands of subscribers. Had you communicated regularly/normally via email or had your Skype chat in a timely, professional manner you'd have likely never received the 'slow show' comment and instead be enjoying a new level of success as well as answers and info to all concerns you may have had.


    For you own good and personal growth KimKlass, please accept your responsibility in this botched attempt at improving your business model. Also, refrain from any negative CGTG commentary within your networks. We monitor that and we have a 100% zero tolerance for such chatter. Rest assured, we won't use the few thousand KimKlass fans we've created over the last few weeks against you, however also not for your benefit.



    We wish you continued success in your endeavors.



    Cheers,
    Craig

    ^^^ WTF. My reply:


    Wow, from that e-mail I can only ascertain that you are a little out of it.
    If you give a potential paying client (me) a screen shot of someone's show and made it sound like your services were responsible for driving that traffic to her room, then YOU are the one who misrepresented something, not me. I talked to *model name removed* and she is not thrilled that you are sending people screen shots of her doing an explicit act, when she has no clue who you are.

    Excuse me, but you should not make commentary on my "entrepreneurial talent", since you have NEVER WORKED WITH ME. Clearly, you are unhappy that I checked my sources before handing you money. In fact, that is a good mark of my business character; that I don't just blindly hand a company money without checking them out first. What's interesting is, I searched in vain for some review of your company, negative, positive, or otherwise, and found zip. Nothing.

    Yes, please remove all the "fan sites" that you created for me without my permission. They have not done a thing for me anyway. I looked at these things you made and you aren't even using MY picture in some of them! How is it that you are going to call me dishonest, when you used my stage name (without my approval, we hadn't yet negotiated) attached to a photo that is NOT of me? How you can sit there and act like I lied to you or something, when you are attaching my name to someone else's picture, I can't fathom. That does not make any sense at all.

    Also, I am quite clear on the fact that I'm not going to suddenly shoot to Top 10. I don't know where you got the idea that I think that, so do not call me naive. I am not stupid. It is a mark of your lack of professionalism that you chose to mock my viewer average, AND that you moved forward with creating all of these names and sites without telling me or even asking if I approved. It is YOU who has the bad business model, providing "services" with no promise of payment or agreement for payment from a potential client. I did not ask you to do those things; so don't act like I'm supposed to fall to my knees in thanks for something that, one, I had no idea you were doing, and, two, that I did not approve or ask for.

    And no, I do no accept any responsibility for your company being dishonest and shady. I said I would TALK to you. I do not ever recall saying, "Yes, Craig, please create a bunch of accounts using my stage name with someone else's photo." I definitely did no such thing.
    Lastly, I sincerely hope you aren't threatening me. I am free to post reviews of your company if I wish. I don't care about your zero-tolerance policy, because I DO NOT WORK WITH YOU. We had no formal arrangement to do so.
    On that note, have a great day!


    *****

    So ladies, basically, stay the fuck away from them if they ever approach you.


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    Ooooh and the scathing reply:

    *Me* or whatever your name is,

    I've sent our communication thread (since day one) to my supervisor Tanya Evans as well as your general grievance so she's up to date. With that said, I stand by my last reply. As you won't hear from me directly again, don't write me again and please direct any other issues related to this matter to [email protected] and her attention.

    Lastly my two cents. Spice up your act! Surroundings are drab and flat and you sit on your bum too much/long rambling. Get your sessions/shows more focused and down to 2 hours. Movement and color attracts more money. It's a fact but then again, you know everything....

    Cheers,
    Craig

    ***

    Should I even dignify that with a response? Lol, I hate when things make you laugh and piss you off simultaneously ...

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    Lol "professional" lurker with utterly pointless services that anyone can do on their own - ugh armchair freeloaders as pimps... ugh, so over assholes scrambling for camming income but instead of doing the work believe being a complete douchebag is the way in /understatement

    you seriously rock for cross-referencing his "reference" btw, his whiny bitchfit afterwards at you discovering his lie is a riot. I hope more and more "entrepreneurs" in camming realize camgirls are doing actually doing their research now.

    Sorry he is harassing you though. What a great way to land a new client /sarcasm

    This is both delightful and infuriating

    Thanks for posting this!





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    So how many stumps can you fit in your pussy?

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    My favorite part is where he doesn't attempt to explain why he used some other chick's photo next to my fucking stage name LOL! Or the fact that I didn't give him permission to even use my name or do anything at all. Christ ...

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    I looked up his info for his domain - he does "promo" for a few other uh projects and websites (music, acting) - has since 2009, Ive found about 10 of them so far.... well, let's say this post alone loling at his emails is probably the most exposure and traffic any of his projects and 'promotion' has ever (possibly will ever) gotten.

    What an amazing promoter who has every right to bash your successful online presence.

    lol unwarranted self importance syndrome





    Quote Originally Posted by Procrasturbator View Post
    So how many stumps can you fit in your pussy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    I looked up his info for his domain - he does "promo" for a few other uh projects and websites (music, acting) - has since 2009, Ive found about 10 of them so far.... well, let's say this post alone loling at his emails is probably the most exposure and traffic any of his projects and 'promotion' has ever (possibly will ever) gotten.

    What an amazing promoter who has every right to bash your successful online presence.

    lol unwarranted self importance syndrome
    That's awesome, because I couldn't find shit on them lol. And to the gentlemanly Mr. Craig- fuck you, I'm doing pretty damn well for a 4-week MFC rookie without your "help"! I think he forgot for a second there that *I* would have been paying *him*, and should be a bit more gentle with potential PAYING clients. But no, my business model is the one with problems lmao!

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    O.M.G.L.O.L I actually looked at the Youtube channel they set up. Apparently I'm a 32 year old German, rather than a 25 year old American. Gosh, *I* didn't even know that, they're good! I can totally see why I should regret mournfully not paying for their services lol.

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    Don't you just love it when men, who have never cammed a day in their lives, try to give cam girls unsolicited advice on how to improve? *rolls eyes* I swear Twitter attracts a lot of douchebags, and the audacity of some of them never ceases to amaze me.....
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

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    What's with the weird cheesy music that plays in their video?

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    yea i am gonna pay out a good chunk of my earnings to someone for services that i can do on my own and a better job at that! on top of it, to be insulting to someone who was a potential client. wow! - looks like the mr. entrepreneurial whiz kid dropped out of his 2nd month of community college.

    "Also, refrain from any negative CGTG commentary within your networks. We monitor that and we have a 100% zero tolerance for such chatter." - annnnnnnd what are they gonna do? sue you? LOL!

    thnx for sharing

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    Unprofessional yet baselessly self-righteous offended twat.
    ...Yeah, I think that pretty much sums him up.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblegumbitch View Post
    yea i am gonna pay out a good chunk of my earnings to someone for services that i can do on my own and a better job at that! on top of it, to be insulting to someone who was a potential client. wow! - looks like the mr. entrepreneurial whiz kid dropped out of his 2nd month of community college.

    "Also, refrain from any negative CGTG commentary within your networks. We monitor that and we have a 100% zero tolerance for such chatter." - annnnnnnd what are they gonna do? sue you? LOL!

    thnx for sharing
    And you know, I wasn't even going to put that douche on blast- until I saw he "threatened" me. When I read that, I totally did a whole, "Oh HAIL NAW" ... then strolled on over to SW teehee.

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    ^ well you did the right thing! .....and i bet they might show up in this thread too.. drum roll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblegumbitch View Post
    ^ well you did the right thing! .....and i bet they might show up in this thread too.. drum roll?
    I'm not sure if that would be enjoyable, or make me throw my laptop?

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    When it comes to this kind of person I wonder if it would be better to just not respond once you realize his business isn't above board? Just copy and paste what he says here and say no more.

    Once you start responding to him and justifying the reasons why you find him to be suspicious, you are outlining the flaws in his tactics and giving him a free education on how to polish up his hook and line. Leaving him flawed and clueless might be of better benefit for those performers who don't read this message board. I mean, now that he knows what you have done to insure your safety, he's going to try and find other ways to hook someone else using an improved technique.

    JMHO

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    Didn't think of it that way, cvarga. Should I take my reply out? I doubt this will make him improve his "business" though lol.

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    honestly, i don't have much faith in his business model either way. i am not worried. plus this thread is here and will easily show up in google for anyone searching for his so called company.

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    LMAO @ this quote from their website: "CamGirlsToGo.com is the pioneer and leader of CamGirl Promotion, CamGirl VOD Content Production and CamGirl Talent Management."

    I can think of a few other companies who would beg to differ with that claim of being the "pioneer and leader". SMH

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    lol I checked out his twitter. It's just a guy talking about how many guys are in a model's room .Hey it's cristy with 2000 hey is linda with 500 . He sounds like a fucking unemployed fool!! When you go back to his previous older tweets he wasn't talking about that at all. It was just normal basic tweet stuff but I think now he's trying to find a way to turn his desire to sit on cam sites all day into money. Cyper pimping with a dash of the PUA handbook style. Lame attempt.

    Getting people to follow you on twitter is easy, getting people to follow you that actually want to spend money is the hard part. You can have 20,000 followers but maybe 20 of them come in and spend money Yes about 5,000 will watch you for free if they can. Plus you'll have a shit ton of beggars trying to get free shows and whining sending you tweet and asking you for free yahoo and skype shows.

    Lol what's up with the department store holiday music in those utube videos??? HA!!!! It's weird. I started looking around for the food court. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimKlass View Post
    Didn't think of it that way, cvarga. Should I take my reply out? I doubt this will make him improve his "business" though lol.
    No, I don't mean here on SW, I mean in your direct responses to him. If someone is trying to scam me I'd rather let him assume I'm stupid and I declined his offer because I'm not interested in doing business with him at this time either because I can't afford it or because I have decided to do business with "a friend".

    For me to say to my potential scammer, "I know you are trying to scam me because.." and give him the laundry list of all of the red flags alerting me to his potential scam, to me, is the equivalent of teaching him how to get around my suspicions to better scam me in the future.

    I personally think it's better to let him think I am dumb.

    --Edit

    Just index it as an experience you once had and maybe recall it if something like this should happen again. I mean, you did do the right thing by bringing it to your peers for discussion. You or I or anyone else can't fault you for it

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    cvarga- Something, I don't know what- tells me this guy isn't really the type of person who generally benefits from this weird thing called "learning". : D

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    Ok I just noticed that he used one of my professional stock photos that are property of my photographer on that dumbass Youtube channel. I can't report impersonation on Youtube unless I upload my ID, but since my name obviously isn't KimKlass, that won't help! Should I write this inconsequential mouth-breather and tell him to take my shit off there??

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    Since it's property of your photographer, couldn't he file a DMCA without divulging your info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    LMAO @ this quote from their website: "CamGirlsToGo.com is the pioneer and leader of CamGirl Promotion, CamGirl VOD Content Production and CamGirl Talent Management."

    I can think of a few other companies who would beg to differ with that claim of being the "pioneer and leader". SMH
    Ok don't shoot me for asking, bb (lol), but- ARE there reputable promo teams? Is that the truth, that top cam girls use promo teams?
    Would appreciate any answers on that, I'm dreadfully curious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    Since it's property of your photographer, couldn't he file a DMCA without divulging your info?
    Since it's property of the photographer, he the one who needs to write the notice, and your name does not need to be mentioned. It's only the copyright owner's name that needs to be given. Of course, you can't submit a notice for your photographer unless he authorizes you to.

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