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    So there has been this debate going on some of the local escort review boards I visit and now I am just getting plain irritated by the men posting on this topic. some of them feel if an escort refused to see them because they are not interested in seeing black clients or some don't want to see asian clients usually if they are asian escorts or if they are east indian they don't want to see east indian. So basically the client pool almost boils down to just white men and asian.

    I for one do not like seeing black clients or even some east indian clients I almost go in over drive with my screening process with them (my reasons for it are my reasons). they claim it is being racist when an escort refused to see them when it might be based on race why they are not being seen.
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    First of all , EVERY. SINGLE. indian client I have ever been with EXCEPT one smelled like straight up curry. If I know a guy is indian beforehand - I usually tell him I'm already booked and have no avaiability. Indian men stink - Period. I don't care what anyone has to say about it. I don't care if a man that is not indian refuses to see me because of this. FACT of the matter is HE is not the one having to lay there and sleep with him. I will not see black american men. In my personal life, I do not date them. I do not want to date them so there is no reason for me to date them in the hobby. I CAN afford to turn away clients unlike a lot of ladies I know. I have seen ladies on these escorts boards saying things like "How ridiculous you're judging a client because of the way he looks", "Wow you're going to turn down money because he smells", "This is not match.com who cares if he's indian, get your money" - To those ladies I say "Screw you! It's NOT your body it's mine!". You will get a lot of these comments from women that aren't getting enough business. They are the ones willing to sleep with anything and everything under the sun.

    The women that survive the escorting business are the ones that take care of themselves physically and mentally NOT the ones that are out here doing everything for money (for example: that catfight thread). One of the reasons why I enjoy escorting so much is because I have ALWAYS done things on my own terms. I will not see men overweight men, I will not see men with funny looking skin tags on their body/cold sores on their lips, I will not see guys that I know to be a risk to my health (men that go around asking girls/forcing girls into BBFS).... just like I won't see black american men or indian men.

    I don't understand why men get mad at these policies. Isn't it easier to look for girls that actually want to be with you than to harrass me about my policies? Harassing me about my policies will not change a damn thing. On those stupid boards, these same men that complain will post about how they don't like women with lips that are too big, how they are turned off by bbws, bone thin women...etc. It's the same thing. They're picky and so am I. My body my rules.

    People that scream ontop of their lungs that it's racism are mad because either I won't see them or they're just another provider trying to throw me under the bus by kissing hobbyist ass. My friendgirl is an indian provider and knows I won't see indian men. She understands. I love her to death. My family is all black.. just not american. My daughter is black, her daddy is black .. so can't be racist agaist black men. I have black american friends.. I just am not attracted to black american men. Is that racist? Nope! Think it's racist? Oh well.

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    Its not even the other escorts on the board making the argument some of them chimed in on thier personal boundaries but its the men its like they are completely offended by it. and not realizing because they have money doesn't mean they are entitled to my body.
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    Yall are after my own heart with this post.

    Indian men are straight up nasty. (young Indian men who were born In the US are ok) They smell like curry and they have no respect for your boundaries. You can tell them "hands only body rub" 1000 times and they will still try to stick their finger in your ass and ask is a BJ included. Yuck! I cant imagine having to screw one.

    Most African American men are straight up jerks as clients. They have this attitude like they are better than you and you're just some whore they are doing a favor that should be so impressed by them. I mean Im sure white men probably thinking Im a whore but at least they pretend to have respect for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    So there has been this debate going on some of the local escort review boards I visit and now I am just getting plain irritated by the men posting on this topic. some of them feel if an escort refused to see them because they are not interested in seeing black clients or some don't want to see asian clients usually if they are asian escorts or if they are east indian they don't want to see east indian. So basically the client pool almost boils down to just white men and asian.

    I for one do not like seeing black clients or even some east indian clients I almost go in over drive with my screening process with them (my reasons for it are my reasons). they claim it is being racist when an escort refused to see them when it might be based on race why they are not being seen.
    Given the intimacy involved in this type of service I would not expect nor want a woman to engage in this type of activity with men she did not feel comfortable with. That said, refusing to see a class of individuals based on their race would certainly seem to meet the definition of racism. Isn't that the meaning of racism? Judging someone based on their race rather than treating them as an individual?

    Some people are probably offended because of the very ugly history of racism in the US and the West in general. Seems like the easiest thing to do would be to include a warning on your ads that you don't see black men or East Indian men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    Seems like the easiest thing to do would be to include a warning on your ads that you don't see black men or East Indian men.
    Most of us prefer not to go that route. THere are other ways to avoid them without putting a stamp on our ads and website but thank you so very much for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    ..its the men its like they are completely offended by it. and not realizing because they have money doesn't mean they are entitled to my body.
    AMEN! I get this in camming, even. I can refuse to see you even if you're willing to pay me and possibly have even paid me before. If I don't want to do what you want to do or didn't like what we did before I have no obligation to do it, your money is good but not with me. My body. My rules.


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    Thank god for this thread (sorry I'm a bit of a lurker). I've been escorting for about 8 months in western Canada mostly and I definitely have issues seeing east Indian men. they often try and haggle the price, don't respect my boundaries or their hygiene is questionable. I feel really really guilty about feeling this way being a person of colour because I know what it's like to have people assume things about me w/o giving me a chance to prove otherwise. But I definitely think it's a girls prerogative who she does and doesn't see. I have had some wonderful west Indian clients or clients that are Canadian born/raised here for most of their lives east Indian and they're usually ok. I feel much less guilty about my personal feelings after reading the opinions of other SP's .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsSamyall View Post
    Yall are after my own heart with this post.

    Indian men are straight up nasty. (young Indian men who were born In the US are ok) They smell like curry and they have no respect for your boundaries. You can tell them "hands only body rub" 1000 times and they will still try to stick their finger in your ass and ask is a BJ included. Yuck! I cant imagine having to screw one.
    Lol, yeah WTF is up with them trying to stick their finger up your butt all the time?? They always call bodyrub girls looking for a cheap escort, pretending their English is too bad to understand what "just a body rub" means. I don't see them anymore and the minute they ask something dumb I just hang up on them lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    People that scream ontop of their lungs that it's racism are mad because either I won't see them or they're just another provider trying to throw me under the bus by kissing hobbyist ass. My friendgirl is an indian provider and knows I won't see indian men. She understands. I love her to death. My family is all black.. just not american. My daughter is black, her daddy is black .. so can't be racist agaist black men. I have black american friends.. I just am not attracted to black american men. Is that racist? Nope! Think it's racist? Oh well.
    Lovelyme:

    Racism might be the wrong term since you do see some blacks just not American blacks. This would still be a form of prejudice. It's your body, however, so you get to call the shots. But this is still prejudiced behavior, judging a whole class of people based on their ethnicity.

    I'm curious, how do you tell who is black American as opposed to West Indian, African, etc. What would you do if someone like Barack Obama showed up? He's black, he's American. What about 2nd generation black immigrants? Say someone who's parents are from Jamaica but who grew up here? Seems like it would be tricky to apply this "no black American" rule especially someplace like New York City or Miami where it is difficult to tell if someone is American or not. I know many black Americans who can easily fake West Indian accents. Would you really know if they were American or not?

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    As a cam model I block India from all sites I'm on. They are usually broke, begging or haggling. Out of all the great customers I've had on AW the only one that was a problem was an indian/pakistani man. That was it. He keeps begging for free phone calls or tries to haggle pricing then decided to leave me a half ass review just for the hell of it so I blocked him for good. He also gets off in 15 seconds so he's not even worth the drama. I saw on his profile that he started seeing escorts so I feel for them having to come in contact with that hateful bastard.

    As for as AA men If I escorted I probably wouldn't meet with them either. Even kind, respectful decent AA men understand why the ones that are complaining need to go to the ones who will have them. Plus the issue with pimps would probably be another problem Many AA men have tried to book escorts for the sole purpose of recruiting them and not in the nicest of ways.

    Even on cam sites some AA men are nice so there is a small group of men that really are sweet to deal with but the majority are assholes that try to pick a fight in your room because you don't do X,Y and Z. It' like fuck off and find someone else! Why are you in my room wasting time complaining? Even a few hit my twitter begging for free shows and when you try to direct them back to the site they get angry and start spewing such hateful comments. Still this is online , I would hate to have to encounter this behavior in person.

    I often wonder if they don't see how they perpetuate their own negative stereotypes but choosing to behave this way. Change your view , start by changing yourself.

    Your body your choice! So no I don't see a problem at all with a provider refusing certain men. I don't see it as racism but basically applying the law of averages.

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    there are shitty people of all races - but Lovely and others are correct - it's our body / mind / spirit and it should be preserved to the best of our ability in this profession

    when I cammed on a regular basis an indian guy was one of my favorite clients - he had a thigh worship fetish and would spend 300 or 400 a week for me to cross and uncross my legs and order him around -

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    It's discrimination..... Not racism.
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    Discrimination & prejudice & stereotypes based on race all count as racism! Doesn't matter the reason/excuse/intention/awareness or whatever. If you are making a choice or have a preference based on race then it's racist.

    Of course, make healthy choices for yourself. You can do that without being racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucyDarling View Post
    Discrimination & prejudice & stereotypes based on race all count as racism! Doesn't matter the reason/excuse/intention/awareness or whatever. If you are making a choice or have a preference based on race then it's racist.
    That is your opinion.... You should however look up the actual definitions of those words.... They do mean different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LucyDarling View Post
    Discrimination & prejudice & stereotypes based on race all count as racism! Doesn't matter the reason/excuse/intention/awareness or whatever. If you are making a choice or have a preference based on race then it's racist.

    Of course, make healthy choices for yourself. You can do that without being racist.
    Someone that doesn't date certain races does that make them racist too? I don't think so. You are attracted to what you're attracted to. Healthy choices also have to do with mental health as well. If you find certain individuals to pose a problem with your sanity then it only makes sense to lessen this as much as possible. Going without sex will not kill, take away someone's right to vote, take away the roof over their head etc. Paying for sex isn't really a right it's an option. You can't force someone to sleep with you or to want to for that matter so saying you do not want to sleep with certain men is your right.

    This isn't equal opportunity fucking people. It's a woman's right to choose who and when she allows someone to touch her body. Are people going to start walking the street over their rights to fuck someone? Come on.

    Stereotypes are horrible but what's worse is when the very people that have these negative stereotypes act exactly how the stereotypes tell them to act and do little if nothing at all to change this view. If anything some actually keep these ridiculous views going year after year.

    Also I'm pretty sure if the rates of these ladies took a miraculous jump in pricing these whiners wouldn't contact them. Some of the higher priced escorts don't even deal with these issues for the fact that their price range is out of reach of the majority. In the event they do come in contact with men under typical stereotypes , they may encounter men of that race that don't subscribe to such behaviors.

    It's not always just about money. It's about getting money as painless as possible without threat to your safety or threat to you physical and mental well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Someone that doesn't date certain races does that make them racist too? I don't think so. You are attracted to what you're attracted to. Healthy choices also have to do with mental health as well. If you find certain individuals to pose a problem with your sanity then it only makes sense to lessen this as much as possible. Going without sex will not kill, take away someone's right to vote, take away the roof over their head etc. Paying for sex isn't really a right it's an option. You can't force someone to sleep with you or to want to for that matter so saying you do not want to sleep with certain men is your right.

    This isn't equal opportunity fucking people. It's a woman's right to choose who and when she allows someone to touch her body. Are people going to start walking the street over their rights to fuck someone? Come on.

    Stereotypes are horrible but what's worse is when the very people that have these negative stereotypes act exactly how the stereotypes tell them to act and do little if nothing at all to change this view. If anything some actually keep these ridiculous views going year after year.

    Also I'm pretty sure if the rates of these ladies took a miraculous jump in pricing these whiners wouldn't contact them. Some of the higher priced escorts don't even deal with these issues for the fact that their price range is out of reach of the majority. In the event they do come in contact with men under typical stereotypes , they may encounter men of that race that don't subscribe to such behaviors.

    It's not always just about money. It's about getting money as painless as possible without threat to your safety or threat to you physical and mental well being.
    In my view there are two perhaps three separate issues here.
    1. Does an escort who refuses to see men of a certain race/ethnicity behaving in a discriminatory manner. My view: Yes.
    2. If the reason she refuses to see men of a certain race is due to lack of physical attraction/physical repulsion then this makes sense. Although most escorts don't seem to choose clients based on physical attraction so one has to wonder about this rationale.
    3. If the reason is based on her view that all/most men of a certain race behave a certain way, this is discriminatory and no different than banks that refuse to lend based on race, employers who refuse to hire people of a certain background, doctors who used to refuse to treat people of certain races, etc. For example, banks could argue that blacks make less money than whites on average and thus are more likely to have difficulty repaying their loans. The bank's reasoning is correct, blacks on average will have more difficulty repaying their loans because they are poorer.

    For much of the 19th and 20th century there were debates about whether individuals should be able to discriminate based on race, creed, etc. Property owners and others argued people should have the right to discriminate based on race. Employers should not have to hire blacks. Store owners should have not to serve them because they might be rowdy, etc. Society as a whole (obviously there are dissenters) decided that the country is better off outlawing discrimination based on race. Sure it might be easier for the store owner to say "I don't serve blacks" because they don't tip well, are too loud, etc." But after much debate and protest the country decided it was worth it to impose the burden on store owners, landlords, etc. and not to allow them to discriminate based on race, etc.

    Escorts who don't see black men because they think they are likely to be pimps, won't pay, etc. are trotting out the same arguments as property owners, store owners, etc. did in the 1950s and 1960s. If they screen, they should be able to screen out the thugs, pimps, rude guys, etc. without resorting to a blanket I don't see black men. Again, if the escort is refusing to see certain races solely because a lack of physical attraction, that is a different story and I certainly understand that rationale.

    Prostitution is illegal in the US so equal opportunity/fair housing laws do not apply. Were prostitution legal in the US would escorts be able to discriminate based on race/ethnicity? Maybe there would be some type of exception for this, I don't know.

    For those of you who work in Canada where prostitution is legal, is it ok to discriminate based on race/ethnicity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowrose25 View Post
    Lol, yeah WTF is up with them trying to stick their finger up your butt all the time?? They always call bodyrub girls looking for a cheap escort, pretending their English is too bad to understand what "just a body rub" means. I don't see them anymore and the minute they ask something dumb I just hang up on them lol.
    omgggggggg wtf?!?!?! I thought they did this shit to only me. I'm like wtf DO NOT STICK YOUR FUCKING FINGER UP MY ASS!!!!!!
    One time one guy stuck his finger up my ass and I stuck my finger up his as far as I could - He didn't try that shit with me ever again.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    It's discrimination..... Not racism.
    Hi love,

    Yes it is. WE, as escorts, are discriminated against EVERYTIME! We are constantly being picked apart on review boards. "Oh she's too dark", "She's too opinionated", "She's too tall, she's not a spinner", She's this and she's that and I won't see her because of it. That is discriminating but when we do it - we're considered bitches. Whatevs


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    That is your opinion.... You should however look up the actual definitions of those words.... They do mean different things.
    Exactly.

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    Very interesting question luke

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post

    Escorts who don't see black men because they think they are likely to be pimps, won't pay, etc. are trotting out the same arguments as property owners, store owners, etc. did in the 1950s and 1960s. If they screen, they should be able to screen out the thugs, pimps, rude guys, etc. without resorting to a blanket I don't see black men. Again, if the escort is refusing to see certain races solely because a lack of physical attraction, that is a different story and I certainly understand that rationale.
    When you make such statements you come across very uneducated. I screen. I am not afraid of a man that will not pay me, a pimp..etc. I do not see black american men in my personal life so I will not date them in the hobby. I have had a black guy tell me he was brazillian only to be turned away at the door - it will not work. So you saying that we do not see them for the reasons you listed is very far from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    In my view there are two perhaps three separate issues here.
    1. Does an escort who refuses to see men of a certain race/ethnicity behaving in a discriminatory manner. My view: Yes.
    I understand this is YOUR view. So you feel they should be forced to see men they don't want to. Ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    2. If the reason she refuses to see men of a certain race is due to lack of physical attraction/physical repulsion then this makes sense. Although most escorts don't seem to choose clients based on physical attraction so one has to wonder about this rationale.
    Many men of these races are not necessarily getting dates with women of this age or looks level. Also many escorts don't date these men in real life so it would make sense for them to want to deal with men of races that they have had good relations with in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    3. If the reason is based on her view that all/most men of a certain race behave a certain way, this is discriminatory and no different than banks that refuse to lend based on race, employers who refuse to hire people of a certain background, doctors who used to refuse to treat people of certain races, etc. For example, banks could argue that blacks make less money than whites on average and thus are more likely to have difficulty repaying their loans. The bank's reasoning is correct, blacks on average will have more difficulty repaying their loans because they are poorer.
    I never said anything about these men not paying buy but most cannot afford women that are higher priced or some may even ask women to lower their prices for them. Try doing that on a loan walking in the door and see how fast they kick you out on your ass. Escorts are not running a pity party. It's their business on who they decide to share their body with.


    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    For much of the 19th and 20th century there were debates about whether individuals should be able to discriminate based on race, creed, etc. Property owners and others argued people should have the right to discriminate based on race. Employers should not have to hire blacks. Store owners should have not to serve them because they might be rowdy, etc. Society as a whole (obviously there are dissenters) decided that the country is better off outlawing discrimination based on race. Sure it might be easier for the store owner to say "I don't serve blacks" because they don't tip well, are too loud, etc." But after much debate and protest the country decided it was worth it to impose the burden on store owners, landlords, etc. and not to allow them to discriminate based on race, etc.
    Again you're talking about products and services that have nothing to do with a person's body. Your trip down history lane has nothing to do with how a woman should treat her own body and her choices of what she wants to do with her body. A man could very well tell you, you're being discriminatory for not sucking his cock. You say you're not attracted to men but he says you're discriminating. What's the difference? You may like anal with women and he also has an ass. Lets see him complain about you not wanting anal with him. Don't discriminate now!! Remember ass is good on any body right?

    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    Escorts who don't see black men because they think they are likely to be pimps, won't pay, etc. are trotting out the same arguments as property owners, store owners, etc. did in the 1950s and 1960s. If they screen, they should be able to screen out the thugs, pimps, rude guys, etc. without resorting to a blanket I don't see black men. Again, if the escort is refusing to see certain races solely because a lack of physical attraction, that is a different story and I certainly understand that rationale.
    Pimps do come in many colors and even genders but many are AA men. Still Indian men have been avoided on issues of smell. They eat certain foods that come through their pores. For those that aren't interested in curry flavored sheets then it can create a feeling of sickness. Would it be better for them to keep a bedpan nearby for vomit? Sounds like quite the appointment. Maybe she could even charge extra each time she heaves up something.

    You're comparing a woman's body to a property owner. I don't know but it's like you are comparing escorts to slaves. Which again is the very reason why some men aren't seen. They think we'll she's an escort and I HAVE THE RIGHT TO FUCK HER. You are wrong. She's not property she's a person and it's again HER BODY.
    When a guy decides to stick his dick in your ass because you bent over to tie your shoe. I hope you'll remember that your body is yours too. Or maybe it was your fault for bending over in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    Prostitution is illegal in the US so equal opportunity/fair housing laws do not apply. Were prostitution legal in the US would escorts be able to discriminate based on race/ethnicity? Maybe there would be some type of exception for this, I don't know.
    Glad you feel that those laws don't apply and there are no laws for what someone wants to do with their body. Selling sex in US is illegal in most states but still we already know these men aren't paying for a conversation. Maybe escorts will see the races they are not attracted to, take their money for polite conversation. Will these men be happy to pay for conversation without sex? I don't think they have an issue with conversations with these men. They just don't want to sleep with them.

    Now comparing a woman's body to a house can work. Her body her temple. I would see it as a place of worship. Now even though all are welcome you wouldn't really sit in a church and open up a Koran or Siddur now would you? Get mad that they aren't talking in Arabic? or Hebrew? Pray the way you want to but wouldn't you be happier finding someone that shares your views right?

    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    For those of you who work in Canada where prostitution is legal, is it ok to discriminate based on race/ethnicity?
    Maybe it should be worded " is it ok to sleep with whom you want to"? Or can Canada force you to have sex with people you don't want to?

    I find someone mentally sick that wants to force themselves on someone sexually.

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    I understand this is YOUR view. So you feel they should be forced to see men they don't want to. Ok.
    Maybe it should be worded " is it ok to sleep with whom you want to"? Or can Canada force you to have sex with people you don't want to?

    I find someone mentally sick that wants to force themselves on someone sexually.
    Just to be clear, THE WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHO SHE HAS SEX WITH. IF PROSTITUTION WERE LEGAL I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF A LAW THAT DID NOT ALLOW WOMAN DISCRETION IN WHOM THEY CHOSE TO SLEEP WITH.

    That said, some of the reasons offered for not seeing men of certain races are racist. The woman is judging millions of men based on the actions of a few experiences. If this works for you, that's ok. It's your body and your money. But the topic of this thread is "is this racism"? It seems to me that except for in a few instances (e.g. she's just not physically into a particular race) this clearly is racism. What is interesting is that many people who are engaging in clearly racist behavior don't want to acknowledge their racism. Perhaps because being a racist is frowned upon in most circles these days.

    I understand a woman's body is different from a store etc. But these women have agreed to share their body with anybody who pays the price as long as they are not rude, unclean, and by the way not black/Indian. By selling sex these women have turned sex into a commercial transaction, and not surprisingly, some men think the rules of commerce should apply. But the women still see their body as something holy and sacred. Hence the confusion, and to me what makes this question interesting. To repeat, I think women should have the right to discriminate based on race, but that doesn't mean this is not racist.

    I don't see this a societal crisis or a something to lose sleep over. I don't think escorts who discriminate should be tarred and feathered or boycotted. But I do think it is an interesting topic which why I keep responding.

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    Someone that doesn't date certain races does that make them racist too? I don't think so. You are attracted to what you're attracted to. Healthy choices also have to do with mental health as well. If you find certain individuals to pose a problem with your sanity then it only makes sense to lessen this as much as possible. Going without sex will not kill, take away someone's right to vote, take away the roof over their head etc. Paying for sex isn't really a right it's an option. You can't force someone to sleep with you or to want to for that matter so saying you do not want to sleep with certain men is your right.

    This isn't equal opportunity fucking people. It's a woman's right to choose who and when she allows someone to touch her body. Are people going to start walking the street over their rights to fuck someone? Come on.

    Stereotypes are horrible but what's worse is when the very people that have these negative stereotypes act exactly how the stereotypes tell them to act and do little if nothing at all to change this view. If anything some actually keep these ridiculous views going year after year.

    Also I'm pretty sure if the rates of these ladies took a miraculous jump in pricing these whiners wouldn't contact them. Some of the higher priced escorts don't even deal with these issues for the fact that their price range is out of reach of the majority. In the event they do come in contact with men under typical stereotypes , they may encounter men of that race that don't subscribe to such behaviors.

    It's not always just about money. It's about getting money as painless as possible without threat to your safety or threat to you physical and mental well being.
    Cherryblossomsinspring:

    I think how one feels about escorts discriminating based on race depends in part on how you frame the issue. If you frame it as a personal issue, then of course it is her body and her choice to see whomever she wishes.

    On the other hand, once she sells her body this becomes commerce. The state does have the right to regulate commerce. I am not a legal scholar. But I have worked with a number of attorneys on discrimination cases (mostly in housing) as an expert witness. If prostitution were legal in the US, I think the legal argument against allowing discrimination would be, "A woman has a right to have sex with whom she chooses. Once she sells sex, however, the state has the right to regulate that activity. Therefore, the state could stipulate that if you are going to engage in commercial sex, you can't discriminate based on race." The state would not be forcing women to have sex with anybody, only saying they cannot engage in this type of commerce in a discriminatory manner. The woman could choose not to enter the profession of prostitution. Obviously the state does have the right to regulate commercial sex otherwise prostitution would not be illegal in the US.

    One can think of analogous situations. Someone can invite people into their home to spend the night and have breakfast. They could refuse people of certain races. That's ok. Once they started charging people for spending the night and eating, however, the state can intervene and require there not be discrimination, that the home be accessible to the disabled, that certain safety precautions are followed, etc.

    I am conflicted about whether I would agree with a law that outlawed discrimination in prostitution (assuming prostitution were legal) based on race. I think prostitution should be legal and think women should be free to see whoever they want/don't want. On the other hand I don't think discrimination based on race in commercial transactions is a good thing and think government should try to stamp it out.

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    Yes - our bodies are holy and sacred - that is why we can charge for them

    The reason is repeated experiences have produced the same results - that is why many women have made the decision to avoid cetain types of clients - it's smart business to avoid situations that you know will not work for you

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    Cherryblossomsinspring:

    I think how one feels about escorts discriminating based on race depends in part on how you frame the issue. If you frame it as a personal issue, then of course it is her body and her choice to see whomever she wishes.

    On the other hand, once she sells her body this becomes commerce. The state does have the right to regulate commerce. I am not a legal scholar. But I have worked with a number of attorneys on discrimination cases (mostly in housing) as an expert witness. If prostitution were legal in the US, I think the legal argument against allowing discrimination would be, "A woman has a right to have sex with whom she chooses. Once she sells sex, however, the state has the right to regulate that activity. Therefore, the state could stipulate that if you are going to engage in commercial sex, you can't discriminate based on race." The state would not be forcing women to have sex with anybody, only saying they cannot engage in this type of commerce in a discriminatory manner. The woman could choose not to enter the profession of prostitution. Obviously the state does have the right to regulate commercial sex otherwise prostitution would not be illegal in the US.

    One can think of analogous situations. Someone can invite people into their home to spend the night and have breakfast. They could refuse people of certain races. That's ok. Once they started charging people for spending the night and eating, however, the state can intervene and require there not be discrimination, that the home be accessible to the disabled, that certain safety precautions are followed, etc.

    I am conflicted about whether I would agree with a law that outlawed discrimination in prostitution (assuming prostitution were legal) based on race. I think prostitution should be legal and think women should be free to see whoever they want/don't want. On the other hand I don't think discrimination based on race in commercial transactions is a good thing and think government should try to stamp it out.
    I see your point and the guy that thanked you post is just a troll so please keep that in mind.

    Now getting with your idea of it being commerce would be fine. But still women are not discriminating based on the color of their skin but on the behaviors that in most cases are associated with the color of one's skin. That's why even stores have " the right to refuse services". That's based on a person being an ass and causing problems. Now if you want it to go according to some banking rules fine :

    The man must have his picture taken and put up on a board so that everyone knows he is a problem and that servicing this individual can become a problem. Finger printing would be necessary. Copy of DL and stub of current utility bill. Current stats on STD screening must be handed over before any such sexual act occurs. Financial assets will need to be check to ensure the person in question can afford said services. Any desires to change pricing would be ignored. Also customer would be triple billed for any additional issues with body odor or problems with cleanliness. Also if the person is unnecessary rough or abusive their acct is closed and a report will remain on their credit for such behavior. Also there would be a deposit required prior to intercourse for any "damage" the the vessel. Deposit would be kept if damage was present. These rules would be across the board for all customers to be "fair". Let's see how many would like these new laws. Ohh and cumming more than once would equal "over draft charge" double the going rate.


    Sounds like a great plan! Let me know how all of that goes.

    In other news.... for the women that refuse these men their money isn't affected. I wonder why?

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