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    So I had a lovely customer yesterday who kept me VERY up to date on the status of his payoneer payment for a video clip It seems they send an email to the custie to show his payment has been sent and informing them that it will reach me within 48 hours, then tey send another confirmation when the money is actually loaded. In other words, the customer KNOWS for sure that his payment hasn't gone through yet, until 2 days later. I always assumed they thought the payment has gone as soon as they send the money. Grrr. I haven't been mucked about so far luckily, but I don't hink i can rely on payoneer as much as i was hoping to because of this.

    Now I only have a very small operation, i don't sell panties etc or have a massive following, so wondering if it's worth it to shell out for ccbill? i just want to sell clips (2 - 3 a day atm, though obviously i want to sell more), and hopefully indie shows as and when they crop up.
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    I don't understand... Isn't you being aware that the customers know about the load time delay a good thing? @[email protected]
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    Default Re: Boo @ Payoneer :( CCBill?

    Yes of course. What I meant was that, I wasn't aware the customer had any idea his money wasn't immediately sent to the girl (unless he already knows payoneer very well which most don't). I didn't know they sent him emails to confirm exactly WHEN his money was loaded onto my card lol! I never use it for cam shows, but was enjoying taking payment for clips with it, just sending the clip 2 hours later. It's not really viable if i physically have to wait the 2 days until the money is loaded.
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    Default Re: Boo @ Payoneer :( CCBill?

    I didnt know you could accept payments like that from people with Payoneer cards. Is it a "payoneer card to payoneer card" transaction? take a look at zombaio for payment processing if you need to rather than ccbill

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    Default Re: Boo @ Payoneer :( CCBill?

    Naughtybekie - anyone with a credit card can load your payoneer card with money.

    I've only just signed up with Payoneer but I've already had A LOT of my guys use it, and they've all been fine with the two day wait period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MissEgo View Post
    Naughtybekie - anyone with a credit card can load your payoneer card with money.
    can you tell me how that happens and whether that is just in the USA. (i'm in the UK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtybekie View Post
    can you tell me how that happens and whether that is just in the USA. (i'm in the UK)

    It's right on their page.

    https://load.payoneer.com/LoadToPage.aspx

    https://www.payoneer.com/faq.aspx#Loading_your_card


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    Suzie , they get an email to say they've paid , they then get another email to say it's been accepted and that we will receive it in 2 -3 days etc , but that doesn't make any difference because once Accepted the cogs are in motion for it to come out of their bank account -and if they want to dispute the payment, then they want to have a good reason ! Anyone paying by card can dispute the payment ( anywhere ) , because even after it's left their bank it's generally not reached the receivers....... Nissim advised me that they can't simply reverse the transaction because they feel like it , in case of fraudulent activity it will be reversed, but that would happen either way . x

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    ukmissy - so once it says "estimated load date" for their payment on our end, cancellation isn't an (easy) option for them?

    Good to know!! I've been wondering what the point of no return was for them.


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    ^ Yeah - I believe that's right .... According to Nissim anyway . There's a short period where there's a yellow exclamation mark - And I think that's the risky period - It's quite annoying when it's longer than a few minutes - I've had to wait 40 minutes before ! but I always wait until it's moved to estimated load date, as I've had a few exclamation marks turn into declines, when the customer didn't input some details properly or his card wasn't valid etc---- But once it says the load date , I've never had a problem with one not loading - and I've been using it consistently for pvt loads ... However a girl on the boards DID have a problem with a pvt load not loading ... Can't remember who it was now...And that's when I mailed Nissim - Ultimately I guess we're always at risk of true fraudulent chargebacks - someone suggested getting the guy to sign a piece of paper to say he's actually had the show etc ( in case it's appealed ) , but just seems ridiculous and unrealistic to me.

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    Yeah I always wait the (usually) 2 hours before it shows the load date, and then send the clip. But I just hadn't realized payoneer send the guy updates on his payment... silly really, i guess it's obvious lol. Took another couple of payments tonight. But apart from anything it'd be nice to have things less labour intensive, so the custie can just buy direct from my site... on that basis do you think ccbill is worth it? i looked at zombaio too but for some reason didn't like it, can't remember why now...
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    I guess Only you would really know if CC bill was worth it - it would hugely depend on how much money you make . Some girls take accounts and sub let them - others chip in together for them ...Perhaps you could go down that route if it wasn't going to be worth it for you on your own? Was it the website stuff that put you off zombaio ? x

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    Default Re: Boo @ Payoneer :( CCBill?

    i know someone who uses zombaio and they love it. as for clips, surely the best thing to do is let the clip sites take care of it all for you, just point the guy in the direction of clips4sale, kinkbomb or adultwork, wherever you use and work it that way.

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    if you use the payoneer option are you completely anonymous? I've looked and i know you just need to supply an email address, but in the confirmation messages sent to the customer, do they send any of my personal info?

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    Bekie i'm talking about indie

    Oasis yes if the guy puts in your email and not your card number. I registered the card under my cam name anyway
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    Oasis - you have to sign up with your "real" information! Use your camname email but the rest of the info is your REAL name / birthdate etc. It's just for Payoneer to see; they DO NOT send your personal information to the guys!
    When a guy sends you money from his credit card to your Payoneer account ( using your load.payoneer.com/LoadToPage.aspx?email=YourCamEmailAddress link ) yes, he sees your email address. THAT IS ALL. They don't give out your real name.


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