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    Default Job-Type Discrimination... is it a thing?

    Okay so I'm facing a move in the next month or so, pretty sudden, and I can't afford even a studio of my own (I live in fucking California -_-) ... so I'm searching for roommates near my college.... and all I can think about is "What if I move in, they find out I do cam work, and they kick me out??"

    I'm actually mentioning in a couple ads I posted that I do it, just so I might attract the people who would be cool with it to begin with, but I'm also writing to a few places and don't really want to put it out there. Gaaah, stress! Well my real question is about legality; do you know if it's legal for someone to kick you out of your place of residence by finding out that you do adult work? Thank you so much.

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    Default Re: Job-Type Discrimination... is it a thing?

    If I'm not mistaken, if you aren't on the lease, you most likely aren't protected under any form of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doublerainbow View Post
    I'm actually mentioning in a couple ads I posted that I do it, just so I might attract the people who would be cool with it to begin with
    WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA
    ........ You announced in public internet ads.. (craigslist I am assuming) openly, to the anonymous community around where you live... that you are a... cam girl... looking for housing and roomates?? And for these people to contact you at your-real-phonenumber ....?

    I would be a lot more worried about getting in rather than getting kicked out, girl!! You know there are crazy people everywhere looking to take advantage of others right, not just in our cam chat rooms? Wouldn't expect this kind of naive behaviour from a cam girl!! Seriously, if those ads are public, a dangerous person with bad intentions could offer you a "sweet deal" and let's not get any further into that horror story, but that kind of stuff happens - seriously take the roomate ads where you mention you are a cam girl down or edit them or something - not safe to be putting that out there for a bunch of unknowns.




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    Default Re: Job-Type Discrimination... is it a thing?

    It depends on what state you live in. I know here in Minnesota and a few other states if you get a piece of mail with your name on it then you have a non formal lease. This basically means they would still have to go to court and evict you or give you a 30 day notice to vacate. I had a roommate who thought they could just kick me and my one roommate out but couldn't since we had mail.


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    Ewww please be careful posting what you do on sites when searching for roommates. Keep in mind there is people who hate people in our biz and want to kill us. They could totally set something up. Whenever I am searching for roommates I always say I do some kind of affiliate work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachesxo View Post
    Wouldn't expect this kind of naive behaviour from a cam girl!!
    Okay first off, being a cam girl doesn't make one automatically learned about the world. I -just- became a cam girl this week, so thank you for that ignorant and wholly unhelpful judgment.

    Secondly, only a complete idiot posts their phone# on craigslist. I posted a 100% anonymous ad. I do appreciate the non-bitchy words of warning ladies and will take this into consideration during my search. Hadn't even thought about ne'er-do-wells wanting to cause trouble just because I am in the adult biz. Honestly, I see absolutely nothing morally odd or unusual about what we do and it just didn't cross my mind that others could actually hate us like that.

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    I'm not the one who is being ignorant here, hun.

    Whether or not your number is directly there in the original ad doesn't matter that much... if you are looking for a roomate you would trade e-mails, then numbers, and then eventually meet.
    Meeting strangers off the net is dangerous enough when they don't know you are a sex-worker... people can pretend to be people they are not. Every ex-con in the country would love to have a sweet little piece of cam girl meat staying in their spare room. Just sayin', be careful.



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    Definitely not a good idea to post it in a public place. Honestly, I think that the best way to go about it is to post an ad like you normally would, sans work information (naturally you'd include that you do make enough to pay your share, but don't put what you do). Get to know prospective roomies first. This is good even if you weren't in the adult entertainment industry. It's never a good idea to live with someone you know nothing about.

    I don't know about the legality of the industry in California. Different states have different laws and standards about obscenity, and I think it technically is illegal in some states. I know Texas has some obscenity laws that make porn production and such illegal (I think; I could be wrong, and I'm okay with learning that I am), but rarely (if ever) are they ever actually enforced. If there are laws like that in place (I can't imagine California having strict obscenity laws), then they could probably make life difficult for you and get you involved in legal matters, but I don't know if they can actually kick you out for it. You might send a few anonymous emails to landlords around the city/area and ask them if working in the adult entertainment industry would affect a lease. I'm sure some would be cool with giving you some general advice about it.

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    If you can, you could contact an attorney just to be safe. There are various sites online where you can ask a question and have it answered by an attorney or law expert. They would know about the laws in place that could protect you.
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    Default Re: Job-Type Discrimination... is it a thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by doublerainbow View Post
    Okay first off, being a cam girl doesn't make one automatically learned about the world. I -just- became a cam girl this week, so thank you for that ignorant and wholly unhelpful judgment.

    Secondly, only a complete idiot posts their phone# on craigslist. I posted a 100% anonymous ad. I do appreciate the non-bitchy words of warning ladies and will take this into consideration during my search. Hadn't even thought about ne'er-do-wells wanting to cause trouble just because I am in the adult biz. Honestly, I see absolutely nothing morally odd or unusual about what we do and it just didn't cross my mind that others could actually hate us like that.
    Telling people you do adult work is like having a big flashing neon sign above your head that says,

    "RAPE ME. HARASS ME. JUDGE ME."


    I've told a close friend of 10 years - I thought I could trust her. She fucking blabbed to her family about my job. I don't tell ANYONE, anymore.

    Non-sex workers don't see our work as "just a job."




    They see it as:

    - Bragging rights/attention whoring ("My friend does porn!")

    - An invitation for sex, or women will snub you ("She's a whore for those guys online, of course she'll do it for me!" / "That bitch is a hoe, I don't want her around my boyfriend.")

    - Manipulative ("If you do this or that, or don't do as I say I'll fucking tell everyone what you do!")

    - Alienates you from people ("She's a whore, I don't want her around my children.")

    - Guilt-trips you during a fight ("You're such a fucking slut, whoring around on the internet!")




    I guarantee! at least one of those things WILL happen to you, with anyone you tell. Sooner or later it will come out.

    I don't see anything "morally" wrong about this job either. But we can't control what other people think. The media is a big problem in promoting the sex worker stigma, and I don't feel it will ever go away.

    I would never-ever-EVER tell a stranger. I love my regulars, and guys who have always been kind and polite to me. But I've encountered some real creeps and sick people - and they are just behind a keyboard! In person...omg. You have noooo idea who this person is, or about their mannerisms, motives, etc

    I am like 99% sure if you get any ads from a male his main goal will be to move you in and fuck you. Wife or not. Lol. You may get lucky and find a stripper who needs a roomie but, good luck with that. Most non-industry women would give you the "eye" if they invited you in their homes. If they have kids? Forget about it. Most just won't.

    Bottom line, it's highly, highly discouraged to disclose to people - especially strangers.

    If you are rooming, no there is no legal safety net. If they want you out of their house for whatever crazy reason, you will have to leave. That said, they can still kick you out over this type of job in a regular apartment. There is no law against that.

    Best to just work like crazy and get a studio. Living with people who don't know what you do, and can't tell them what you do - will be stressful.
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    Default Re: Job-Type Discrimination... is it a thing?

    Sometimes in ads people post that they are professionals, or that they work a lot, etc. If I were in your situation, I would try to move in with a woman (safety issues, if I didn't know my roomate well) who had a job where she'd be out of the house for a fixed number of hours. If you move in with someone who also works from home, or is an artist with weird hours, it'd be hard to manage your camming schedule around that. Or cam without audio from your room.

    Say you work online doing customer service, or you do web design, or affiliate marketing, or something. If you are in college, you could also just say you have loans/grants/a trust fund probably.

    Also everyone is right about not telling people. This is objectively the safest, smartest thing to do. Unless you know you can trust them, and sometimes even then it's sketchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachesxo View Post
    I'm not the one who is being ignorant here, hun.
    Never said I wasn't ignorant about what I'm doing. ;P I know I'm naive but I don't feel like being prodded about it. Super stressed over having to move at all so, pardon my being snippy. I do appreciate the concern.

    I've also changed my ad, taken out the camgirl part and just said I work from home online. It was only posted for maybe an hour before I changed it, but now you ladies have me thinking maybe I should take it down altogether (in case anyone up at 3am noticed it before the edit and will just act like they didn't if they respond). This is why I love these forums; I would be trying to find my way in the dark without more experienced cam women sharing their knowledge about a world I am just beginning to know.

    I'm sooooo stressed about thinking of finding the right roommates. My current one is also my BFF and she knows/fully supports what I do. I read about some girls on here talking casually about living with their roommates who see them walking around in kinky outfits and stuff, and just assumed it was a casual thing. Maybe I'd better start working the chatroom a bit more and shoot for my own studio. =\

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    Move in with a bartender. They'll be gone from 6pm-3am --- perfect camming time. :-)

    No, seriously though... the best option is to LIVE ALONE. I've tried to cam around roommates, and it's NEVER smooth. (And I am the most drama-free girl out there.) Seriously consider getting a smaller place where it's JUST YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica1001 View Post
    Move in with a bartender. They'll be gone from 6pm-3am --- perfect camming time. :-)

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    I wish I had the credit to get my own place and cam whenever my heart desired but that's not the case. I also put in my craigslist ad that I'm an adult chat operator due to having an inflexible schedule etc. I moved into a place three weeks ago with two guys. I know this post will probably cause some raised eyebrows but I wanted to be upfront and not deal the paranoia and constantly tiptoing around them. The guys work all day and can care less, one has a girlfriend the other is like 19 and is super mellow and just goes about his business. Neither of them creep on me. You have to feel it out when you meet your potential roomies.
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    For what it's worth, the only GOOD roommate situation I've been in as a cam girl was living with ANOTHER cam girl. Other than that it's awkward or you're afraid to be too loud, or you just plain don't trust the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachesxo View Post
    WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA
    ........ You announced in public internet ads.. (craigslist I am assuming) openly, to the anonymous community around where you live... that you are a... cam girl... looking for housing and roomates?? And for these people to contact you at your-real-phonenumber ....?

    I would be a lot more worried about getting in rather than getting kicked out, girl!! You know there are crazy people everywhere looking to take advantage of others right, not just in our cam chat rooms? Wouldn't expect this kind of naive behaviour from a cam girl!! Seriously, if those ads are public, a dangerous person with bad intentions could offer you a "sweet deal" and let's not get any further into that horror story, but that kind of stuff happens - seriously take the roomate ads where you mention you are a cam girl down or edit them or something - not safe to be putting that out there for a bunch of unknowns.
    I actually did have to take this same approach and I did find a roommate that was totally cool with my camming. The truth is there are bad people that want to hurt or take advantage of others whether they are cam girls or not, for me it is all about trusting your instincts. When I posted that ad on craigslist in the room needed category I did get a few creeps offering me a free place to live or guys talking about how hot it would be to hear me doing my shows etc. but I didn't respond to them because obviously they were creeps! Anybody looking to move in with a stranger is taking a risk.

    I think posting an ad stating what you do and what you are looking for is a great idea, it worked for me, you just need to be very cautious. The roommate I found was a nice lady in her mid 40's that was having a hard time finding someone to split the rent with her, I probably could get a place that is nicer for the same price but I was having a hard time finding people that were cool with my camming so posting the ad was the easiest for me. As long as you are smart about it you will probably be fine, just stick with straight women and talk to the person as much as possible trusting your instincts and don't do anything that doesn't feel totally right and comfortable.

    I notice a lot of cam models seem to think everybody is out to get us. Some people are bad and up to no good and if they want to victimize you they will try to whether you are a nurse, a teacher, a cam model etc.
    Being cautious is good but being paranoid and thinking people are out to get you and that bad things are going to happen can actually make bad things happen through the power of the mind. It is the laws of attraction. Just like the power of positive thinking the power of negative thinking works the same way.

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    When you are sharing a place, the question of whether to tell or not is a BIG one - there have been a lot of threads discussing how to hide it from roomates, how to tell roomates, etc etc etc. I would recommend doing a search on those as well - I know that it is not your exact question, but a lot of the points that are discussed in other threads will help you figure out how you feel about telling your potential roomates.

    As for the legal issue - look into the tenancy laws for your area - you should be able to find them on your local government website. These will go through all of the info that you need. You can also call your local tenancy board or small claims court and just ask them if it is legal to kick someone out for their work. Laws vary hugely from place to place, so while SW is fantastically helpful, when it comes to legal issues, it is always a good idea to check with your local bylaws.

    For the most part, there are some things that are pretty standard across the board.
    1. If you are not on a lease, you have NO RIGHTS. zero. zilch. NONE. Wherever you move, get your name on that lease!!! And when you leave, get it in writing that you are no longer on the lease as of your moving date. Otherwise, you are still on the hook for any missed payments, even though you have moved out.
    2. If you do not disclose something of material importance, or you lie on a lease, the lease can be considered void, and again, you have ZERO rights. This is where lying to roomates about what you do can create a problem - if you have put something incorrect on your lease, you have voided it. If you are going to hide what you do, make sure that you use something like "Live Web Chat and Affiliate Marketing" on your lease. It is technically correct, so it protects your ass. Also, most people think that you are that live tech support box, not in the adult industry.

    Other than that, it comes down to your personality, and your comfort with your roommate/s. I would not feel comfortable living with anyone who didn't know what I did, but that is my personal opinion, and lots of people feel the absolute opposite about it. I would definitely not advertise that you are in the adult industry - and if you do, and go meet people from that ad, carry mace. Or a gun. No, I am not being paranoid, I am drawing on nearly a decade in the adult industry. I usually find it better to sound out another person gently - mention that you work from home, then when you are talking to them, drop something into the conversation about porn/strippers/etc and see what the reaction is. If they recoil in horror when you say that you hear the local topless bar is a fun night out, you are probably not going to live well together. On the opposite end of the spectrum, if they start slavering like a malnourished wolf at the mention of porn, they're probably going to cause a different set of problems. You are looking for disinterest.

    Wherever you end up, if you have roomates and are camming:
    - Get a lock for your door.
    - Make sure that you are responsible for the internet bill and collecting money from your roomates for it. You don't want to end up in a situation where some flaky flatmate forgets to pay the bill, and you are cut off for a week unable to work.
    - Try to cam when they aren't around. Even for those people who are utterly relaxed in principle, there is something about hearing your new roommate masturbating five feet away that can be just a little....weird. It may be just another day on the job for us, but have mercy on the rest of humanity who may not be able to make that emotional divide.

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    Yes I agree camming with a roommate sucks, you cant be loud and usually I was so self conscious that on sites like streamate I would just cam with no sound. Or if i did use sound I would moan very quietly or just not at all lol, needless to say some guys didnt care for that yet I still made decent money. But I will say when I finally got the chance to cam alone by myself in my own place I made soooo much more money. I ws relaxed and could be a loud as I want, so paying that extra 200-300 is so worth it.

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    You are one "brave" cam girl for wanting to announce what you do for unnessary public info. I am totally against it because life is hard enough, we don't need more unfair judgement and stress. I live with a roommate and I don't tell her I'm a cam girl. Its nobody's business what you do. There's a difference honesty and disclosure.
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    I say, take it down, post a new one, not mentioning camming, with a totally different email so you will know that, the ones mailing you found the second ad.

    The fact that was on for 3 hours only doesn't mean much. I ocassionally look around these free porn sites sometimes for ideas sometimes for myself and when I see videos saying things like: posted 1.5 hours ago viewed 1000+ times, I'm always like: pfff even if I find myself and can have it taken down like right now it's too late lol.. As soon as you post something on the internet it's viewed by a lot of people... and as far as I've seen it here, craiglist is a pretty popular and well-known site, so your ad was seen by tons of people I bet.

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    Thank you for your advice ladies, it's been so super helpful. I've decided it's not worth the stress to room and am looking exclusively for studio apartments now. I've been worried about the idea of "needing the money" as far as making rent, since camming is my only real source of income (make barely anything working part-time at my school), especially since I still have "new girl" status and have only been doing this for two weeks... so I have no real basis on which to assume a 'reliable monthly income' of any sort.

    But you know what? I just made $200 in a few hours on MFC last night (taking privates really helps XD) and if I can reach that even 2 nights a week I can easily afford a studio. Plus I still have to start making content to sell and MFC is the only site I work, so once I sign up for something that focuses on getting privates, well... I just think I may be worrying about money a lot more than I need to be. I'm just not used to making any, was raised below the poverty belt.. maybe I'm in income denial lol. ^_^ Still better to be cautious I'm sure, but less stress = more fun = more $$$!

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