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    Simple question. Gentlemen, would you prefer your club of choice ban smoking inside the facilities? Ladies, what about where you work? Would you prefer no smoking inside the building? Or are you indifferent?

    I ask because the smokiest bars I've ever been to are all strip clubs. I don't smoke myself, so needless to say I hate this. I hate that I have to wash more clothes immediately when I get home. I hate the thought of breathing countless toxins and carcinogens from cigarette smoke. I personally wish they'd ban it like in restaurants, but others think business would plummet if they banned smoking in strip clubs. Which leads me to this question. Would you stop going to strip clubs if you couldn't smoke? Would you go more?
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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    As a customer? No way. I have a total smoking fetish...its so sexy watching girls smoke. So for me personally, this would not be awesome.

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    Yes! Besides the health and aesthetics (there's fetish sexy smoking and reality of actually smoking)....I'm a stoner. If I can't smoke mine why can you smoke yours lol

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    Oh you could totally smoke yours as long as i get to watch.

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    Depends on location. Out here in AZ the entire state has gone no-smoking in all public buildings. Only public buildings you can still smoke in (with a very small exception for "smoke shops") are the Indian casinos. So all SC's are non-smoking inside. You must go outside to smoke. Some clubs have nice covered patios where you can take your drink and relax, others force you to go outside. But it hasn't made a big impact on the numbers going to the clubs.

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    RI barred smoking maybe 8 years ago or so. Smokers now have to go outside on the deck regardless of the temperature to smoke. All in all a big improvement.
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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    I never worked in a club where you couldn't smoke inside. Personally, I wouldn't support a ban. All the places I worked had cigars for sale. Isn't that part of the experience, being able to drink with the ladies, and have a cigar or a cigarette?

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    Smoking is banned in Philadelphia but there is an exemption if food is less than 20% of the revenue, so you can still smoke in the most if not all strip clubs.
    I smoke occasionally, but I'd still support a ban in indoor spaces.

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    I never worked in a club where you couldn't smoke inside. Personally, I wouldn't support a ban. All the places I worked had cigars for sale. Isn't that part of the experience, being able to drink with the ladies, and have a cigar or a cigarette?
    Hundreds of moons ago, I worked at this total dive that had a makeshif smoking room. I want to say it was a patio at one point because the roof was some ghetto mosquito netting and it ha done solid wall then three glass walls that were exposed to the club. So when you were smoking you didnt feel totally left out, and you could still see what was going on. Lol, i thought this was a pretty creative way to technically have a "non smoking" strip club.

    But yeah, it really is part of the whole experience!

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    I can honestly say I've never heard of a smoking fetish until today. You learn new things everyday!

    I checked out some of the other threads on this topic and most posters had the same opinion: they hate smoke and stinky bars but don't want to risk losing customers. I find it odd because less than one in five people smoke regularly, and those that don't smoke hate the smell. I live in New Orleans and there's a push to make bars and casinos smoke-free. Smoking is banned in restaurants but not bars. If a business sells more alcoholic beverages than food, they get a restaurant license. If not, they get a bar license. I know so many people who wish Louisiana would go smoke-free.

    @Mediocrity: I think you're right; for some people, smoking and strippers just go together. But I can't see how a smoking ban would prevent someone from enjoying strip clubs. Who can't enjoy topless women without smoke? How addicted can a person be?

    I support a ban because strip clubs won't do it voluntarily. I'm not sure most managers really care if the majority of their customers and employees are uncomfortable. I guess people's long-term health come after cigar sales.

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    a smoking ban would be tragic in nola. customers would get lost as soon as they hit bourbon st.

    NOLA is supposed to be one of the last bastions of freedoms in the states. people come down here to let loose, and people live here because they are fucking sick and tired of being told what to do everywhere else.

    if you need to go to a bar without smoke, go to flanagans or something. there are plenty of bars where you can drink, enjoy dinner ,and be free from smoking. if the smoke in the club bothers you, stay out of the smaller clubs and go into a bigger one. the clubs that are 2 floors are pretty well ventilated. lipstixx and temptations, not so much, but lets be honest, if you are in temptations i doubt you are just there to see some tits.

    also, a smoking ban would be a disaster in NOLA because the bars never close, and im sure the vieux carre commission would lose it if the 5-9am bar crowd of service industry people and general new orleans hoodlums were forced to smoke in the streets of the quarter at the whee hours of the morning.

    i vote, if you think that smoking shouold be banned in NOLA, move somewhere else! there are tons of health concious cities across the US. go to one of them.

    /rant

    on a separate note though, if a club privately decided to ban smoking, thats fine. its their decision. a city wide ban though? hell no.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    Some counties here have banned smoking, and I prefer it. Smoke makes my eyes burn and water easily and if I'm around it too long, my skin starts to itch as well. If it were just a handful of people smoking in a polite way (like taking care as to where they're directing their smoke), then that would be one thing, but that's rarely how it is. I actually stopped working at a club when it reinstated its smoker-friendly policy.

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    Wished it was banned because I always leave smelling like old cigarettes, coughing, and just don't like the smell. If they customers could smoke outside on a patio or balcony (if there was such a thing) that would be better. Smoking in enclosed spaces is horrible in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    @Athena: Every regular bar on Bourbon Street is smoky. Bourbon Cowboy, Razoo's, Frat House..you name it. The only places I can think of that aren't bad are Pat O'Brien's, The Dungeon (well, not tobacco smoke anyway), and that place where you go get beignets near Rick's Cabaret. That's also not counting fancy places like Galatoire's. That's also not mentioning that most locals hate going to Bourbon. I myself prefer Magazine Street and Tchoupitoulas, but that's just me. Bourbon is for tourists, and I'd say most tourists would welcome smoking bans.

    As for strip clubs, they're all smoky. Even Penthouse Club (my favorite place) smells awful now. Visions reeks (they'll NEVER ban smoking). So does Scores. And Babe's. And yes, places like Lipstixx and Stiletto's are terrible for numerous reasons. Where else is there? Rick's? Hustler? I don't like either of those clubs.

    I won't get too preachy in this post. If anyone's interested, a wrote a post about this topic on my blog (it's a little long...sorry).

    Athena, this is a bit of a hot-button issue for me because while I love NOLA, our laissez faire attitude needs to die. Yes, there are plenty of health-conscious cities in the U.S. There are also plenty of other cities with quality education. With less crime. Less religious radicals. Better roads. Better infrastructure. Better public transit. A better job market. Less taxes. Lower premiums on car and homeowners insurance. Better affordable housing. Why can't New Orleans be one of those cities? We can't we have clean air?

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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    Think about this the next time you leave a smoky bar:

    Studies show that thirdhand smoke clings to hair, skin, clothes, furniture, drapes, walls, bedding, carpets, dust, vehicles and other surfaces, even long after smoking has stopped. Infants, children and nonsmoking adults may be at risk of tobacco-related health problems when they inhale, ingest or touch substances containing thirdhand smoke.
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/thi...-smoke/AN01985

    You can't escape that crap.

    Also, can anyone tell me how to edit my signature?

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    ^Yeah, anytime I am around cigarettes for too long, I think of cleaning out my grandmother's house after her death. All of the figurines I had grown up thinking were an aged yellow? They were actually porcelain--pure white, underneath all the nicotine stains. The walls I thought were green? Blue. I've no clue what color the carpet really was. I'm pretty much all for personal freedoms, legalization of most drugs, etc... but please don't blow your cigarette smoke anywhere near me. I can't believe I even smoked for the few short months I did.

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    Thanks. I still can't get it to show up, though. Boo!

    Anyway, I'll just put a link to the post (if that's cool with the admins here): LINK

    That's my opinion on the issue if anyone's curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCD - NOLA View Post
    @Athena: Every regular bar on Bourbon Street is smoky. Bourbon Cowboy, Razoo's, Frat House..you name it. The only places I can think of that aren't bad are Pat O'Brien's, The Dungeon (well, not tobacco smoke anyway), and that place where you go get beignets near Rick's Cabaret. That's also not counting fancy places like Galatoire's. That's also not mentioning that most locals hate going to Bourbon. I myself prefer Magazine Street and Tchoupitoulas, but that's just me. Bourbon is for tourists, and I'd say most tourists would welcome smoking bans.

    As for strip clubs, they're all smoky. Even Penthouse Club (my favorite place) smells awful now. Visions reeks (they'll NEVER ban smoking). So does Scores. And Babe's. And yes, places like Lipstixx and Stiletto's are terrible for numerous reasons. Where else is there? Rick's? Hustler? I don't like either of those clubs.

    I won't get too preachy in this post. If anyone's interested, a wrote a post about this topic on my blog (it's a little long...sorry).

    Athena, this is a bit of a hot-button issue for me because while I love NOLA, our laissez faire attitude needs to die. Yes, there are plenty of health-conscious cities in the U.S. There are also plenty of other cities with quality education. With less crime. Less religious radicals. Better roads. Better infrastructure. Better public transit. A better job market. Less taxes. Lower premiums on car and homeowners insurance. Better affordable housing. Why can't New Orleans be one of those cities? We can't we have clean air?

    *steps off soapbox* Thank you, thank you!
    yes, the bars on b-st are mostly full of tourists. and you are saying most tourists would not mind a smoking ban? then why are the bars so damn smoky? because most tourists are smoking in them! they come down here are happy to cut loose. but what do i know, i only worked on bourbon st for a few yrs and talked to a bunch of tourists who were thrilled to be smoking a cigarette indoors.

    and, like i said before, any club that did not have a courtyard would be totally fucked if a smoking ban went into effect. If a customer had to step outside on bourbon st to have a cigarette they would be lost forever. In ohter parts of the US, stepping outside for a cigarette is not as big a deal. but can you imagine a customer trying to step out on b-st to light one up in the shoulder to shoulder mardi gras crowd? it wouldnt work.

    and reality is, many many people do smoke when they drink.

    nola is like that. if you think the titty bars are too smoky, dont go in them. i doubt you would really be missed because while you might not go due to smoke, most other ppl will keep going.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCD - NOLA View Post
    Think about this the next time you leave a smoky bar:

    Studies show that thirdhand smoke clings to hair, skin, clothes, furniture, drapes, walls, bedding, carpets, dust, vehicles and other surfaces, even long after smoking has stopped. Infants, children and nonsmoking adults may be at risk of tobacco-related health problems when they inhale, ingest or touch substances containing thirdhand smoke.
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/thi...-smoke/AN01985

    You can't escape that crap.

    Also, can anyone tell me how to edit my signature?
    crap, i agree with. i believe that second hand smoke causes problems etc but i cannot buy the third hand smoke. welcome to the everything causes cancer day and age. i doubt that the average americans diet will let them live long enough to get harmed by the faint smell of cigarettes on fabric. plus we breath in all sorts of fumes from car exhaust, pollution etc. i doubt that third hand smoke is anything to worry about. sounds like propoganda nonsense to me.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    I was so happy when my old home club banned smoking. whoohoo! So I personally am all for banning smoking in public spaces. but I'm not all up in arms about it. If they do, woot! If they don't, *shrug* whatever. I'll deal.
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    Default Re: Would you support a smoking ban in your club?

    It fucking sucks out here in Winter having to go outside to smoke.
    And of course, the law changed right after me moving here. :/
    Boo @ smoking bans!

    They should've kept the "smoking" areas in places.
    Like Athena said, we breath in gas fumes and shit everyday.

    Just more bs rules and laws.

    I was reading some shit where they wanted to ban smoking in cars...really? wtf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    yes, the bars on b-st are mostly full of tourists. and you are saying most tourists would not mind a smoking ban? then why are the bars so damn smoky? because most tourists are smoking in them! they come down here are happy to cut loose. but what do i know, i only worked on bourbon st for a few yrs and talked to a bunch of tourists who were thrilled to be smoking a cigarette indoors.

    and, like i said before, any club that did not have a courtyard would be totally fucked if a smoking ban went into effect. If a customer had to step outside on bourbon st to have a cigarette they would be lost forever. In ohter parts of the US, stepping outside for a cigarette is not as big a deal. but can you imagine a customer trying to step out on b-st to light one up in the shoulder to shoulder mardi gras crowd? it wouldnt work.

    and reality is, many many people do smoke when they drink.

    nola is like that. if you think the titty bars are too smoky, dont go in them. i doubt you would really be missed because while you might not go due to smoke, most other ppl will keep going.
    Bars are smoky because it only takes a handful of smokers to make them smell. One person puffing away on a cigar can make an entire place reek for a couple of days. They also smell because some of them are rarely, if ever, cleaned. Others aren't well ventilated so the smoke gets trapped inside.

    Most strip clubs on Bourbon have balconies or courtyards for people to smoke. I don't think Penthouse has an outdoor area but they'd do fine because that's far and away the best club here. The only clubs that might affected are the dives, like Big Daddy's Love Acts. We can afford to lose that place. As for regular bars, I can't see them losing too much business, at least not long-term. I'm sure lots of people smoke while drinking, but the vast majority of people never smoke. The nonsmoking population is over 80% - and most nonsmoker strongly prefer not to inhale other people's smoke. Maybe they'd lose some smoking customers, and maybe their nonsmoking customers would stay longer and spend more. Who knows?

    Why should people who've made a health-conscious decision be punished for those who haven't? Why can't I just as easily say "if people want to pollute the air, they should stay home" and have merit?

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    I'm glad where I live and work indoor smoking is banned. I don't want to fuck up my own lungs & damaged skin with second hand smoke bc of other's smoking habits. It's just inconsideration.

    That being said, I think clubs/bars should have heated roof tops for smokers or one of those really isolated rooms set FAR apart for smokers. Then EVERYONE is happy.

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    i think a smoking ban kills the bar business and that kills our money. many men i meet who come from places with smoking bans are THRILLED when there is a club you can smoke in. i also know many people who only smoke when they have a drink. i have been inside non smoking bars and there is a considerable less amount of patrons than in smoking bars. some bars have CLOSED because of it. i have $$$ to make, so i'm saying yes to smoking. look, it's a bar, it's part of the experience. if people can't smoke and have a drink, i think some may stay home so they can. studies show smoking bans do not cause people to quit, they just make smokers more irritated. grumpy patrons = less $$$ for me in the club.

    i think the fairest solution is to have bars set up where one half is smoking and the other is non, and they are completely separate so everyone is happy. i have been in places like this. guess which side was packed? the smoking side.

    i understand this isn't the days of 'mad men' where you puffed in your office, but it's a bar and it's part of the culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCD - NOLA View Post
    Bars are smoky because it only takes a handful of smokers to make them smell. One person puffing away on a cigar can make an entire place reek for a couple of days. They also smell because some of them are rarely, if ever, cleaned. Others aren't well ventilated so the smoke gets trapped inside.
    clearly we go to different bars. Most of the bar patrons in NOLA are smokers. thats just how the city is.

    and in a club as big as penthouse or ricks or hustler, one or two smokers is not what is smoking up the place. a lot of cigarettes ar required to make a room that big smoky.



    Why should people who've made a health-conscious decision be punished for those who haven't? Why can't I just as easily say "if people want to pollute the air, they should stay home" and have merit?[/QUOTE]
    because its a private fucking bar and the owner of said bar has elected to allow smoking in their establishment. nobody is forcing you to go to the goddamn strip club. if you are that fucking concerned about your lungs, stay home.

    NOLA is laizzes fair policy. You say you appreciate it. So dont just appreciate it when it is convenient for you.

    and also, unless you are going to the titty bar 5 days a week, one night of second hand smoke isnt gonna kill you. if you are going to the SC so often as a customer that you feel like your health is being affected, maybe its time to get a better hobby. The ONLY people who have any real room to complain about smoke in an establishment are the people who work there since they have to deal with it all the time.
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    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    clearly we go to different bars. Most of the bar patrons in NOLA are smokers. thats just how the city is.
    I've gone to plenty of bars in New Orleans. Probably every one on Bourbon at some point. I've lived here for 24 years. I went to high school and college here. I've been to plenty of bars and strip clubs and I would disagree that most bar/club patrons are smokers. I think it's more of a minority than you're giving credit for. I'm not trying to argue semantics or sound like a smartass or anything. I really hope I'm not coming off as a know-it-all because that's truly not my intention. I have my experiences and you have yours. I won't debate what you've seen, but the numbers disagree with you assertion:

    The CDC says that, in the year 2000, 21.6% of the metropolitan population of New Orleans smoked regularly. Those were the most recent stats I could find, but I doubt they've changed that much. More recent stats said that 20.5% of Louisiana's adult population smoked regularly. The national average is 19.3% of all adults. That's only one in five people.

    But you say that people like to smoke when they drink. That's true and the population of "social smokers" is larger than I thought, so I'll give you credit for that. Still, CNN says social smokers are only 30% of population. Still not a majority. I can't find any stats for drinkers in New Orleans who smoke, but I doubt New Orleans is THAT much different from the rest of the country. And even if it is, there are as many tourists on Bourbon as locals (probably more) so it wouldn't matter.


    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    Why should people who've made a health-conscious decision be punished for those who haven't? Why can't I just as easily say "if people want to pollute the air, they should stay home" and have merit?
    because its a private fucking bar and the owner of said bar has elected to allow smoking in their establishment. nobody is forcing you to go to the goddamn strip club. if you are that fucking concerned about your lungs, stay home.

    NOLA is laizzes fair policy. You say you appreciate it. So dont just appreciate it when it is convenient for you.
    It is a private establishment, but the owner's decision is putting the health risk of everyone in the place at risk. Owning a bar doesn't entitle you to do that. Are you against anti-discrimination and employment laws? Should someone who owns a business be able to hire and fire whomever they want for no reason whatsoever? What about minimum wage laws and workers' comp? If an owner wants to pay employees slave wages, that's their right and employees can just go elsewhere? What about OSHA regulations and consumer protection laws? Do you agree that business owners need to provide a safe workplace environment for employees and protect customers from being injured from unsafe protects or businesses, or not? I guess you could also say nobody is forcing anyone to go these businesses.

    Again, why can't I say "if you want to pollute the air, stay home" and have the same merit? Why do smokers get priority over nonsmokers?

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    and also, unless you are going to the titty bar 5 days a week, one night of second hand smoke isnt gonna kill you. if you are going to the SC so often as a customer that you feel like your health is being affected, maybe its time to get a better hobby. The ONLY people who have any real room to complain about smoke in an establishment are the people who work there since they have to deal with it all the time.
    I only go to strip clubs once or maybe twice per month, depending on how busy I am. Will second-hand smoke kill me? Maybe not, but nobody knows what a safe level of second-hand exposure is, and the National Cancer Institute agrees with me. You can disagree with the findings if you want, but people said the same thing when they said smoking was unhealthy for you in the '70s.

    But I'm glad you agree people that work in bars can complain. I had a friend who bartended at nights after she graduated college. She could only land a summer associate job at the time since the economy was so bad. I'm sure you already know this, but since New Orleans is a tourist economy, our primary job creator is the service industry. Any idea of what service industry jobs are available at nights? It's mainly bar and casino jobs. Most restaurants aren't open long enough for people to work 9:00-5:00 and be able to catch on a waitressing shift afterward. She didn't smoke, but she had to take the job to be able to pay her car and auto insurance. Lots of people are in her situation. Do their votes count? Also a lot of strippers on this forum voted that they would support a ban, too. They are breathing that in 3+ days per week. Plus, what if one of the strippers gets pregnant? There's no maternity leave for strippers and second-hand smoke could be bad for the fetus. But it's not like they can just take 9 months off of work.

    Again, not trying to sound like I'm dismissing everyone who agrees with me. I'm definitely not. I respect everyone's opinion and I asked the question because I wanted to get everyone's thoughts. Obviously if everyone had the same opinion the smoking bans would be done by now. That's why there's debate.

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