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    Default How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    I ask this as someone who gets major anxiety just thinking about a VIP room. The privacy and the pressure of them is enough to turn me off from even going in.... I am much more comfortable with just dances and small talk.
    Personally, Ive sold them and have had good experiences, but in the end I think they are emotionally draining. Same goes for the concept of Regulars.

    Ive managed to maintain a healthy average on just dances with a VIP sprinkled here or there. Are there any girls here who sort of have the same view on VIP? (or regulars for that matter)

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    Default Re: How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    I feel exactly the same way. I feel like if I do a VIP room once a shift, in the end the earnings are pretty similar to if I were to do just straight up dances all throughout the night. Now if I do 2 VIP rooms a shift, or more, then thats a different story. I don't care for them and am happy with just doing dances - they are less work, less pressure, because dances are less private at my club, it is more of a controlled environment which makes me feel safer, and I always know what to expect.

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    Default Re: How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    At my most recent club, VIP earned me less money than selling dances as I charged more for dances than we were technically supposed to. In that case, VIP was pretty insignificant to me. Of course, a great benefit of VIPis a guaranteed chunk of money, whereas with dances you may just end up lap hopping with a few here and there, wasting a lot of time on the hustle.

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    Default Re: How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    Not important at all, at least not for me. My best night ever (over 700 dollars) was on a "10 bucks dances" club two years ago. However, that was the type of club were you would making enough to pay the house like two out of four day (it was mandatory to work four days) of you work week. An average week in that club was $50-$50-$700-$400. I only lasted about two weeks on that club; it was very filthy.





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    Depends on the club. I've worked at a club where there really wasn't floor money, you had to get vip. It was stressful to me.
    My club now, getting dances is easy. VIP is a nice little boost but I feel comfortable turning it down is the guy freaks me out or starts asking me "what goes on back there"
    I very much need to work at a club where I don't need vip's to make my money.

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    VIPs were pretty useless at the club i worked at. We sold drinks for money so theoretically, you could sell a few 100 dollar drinks and make the same amount in the floor. We also had buyouts, which is when you are literally paid to go clubbing or barhopping with a customer for around tbe same price. Personally i hated lapdances so if a guy wanted a vip i would try to get him to do a buyout instead, lol. So idk, i think the above statement rings true. It really depends on the club

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    Default Re: How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    I agree about the regulars! I feel like establishing regulars means getting to know them on a deeper level, and that's much more emotionally draining for me than dancing naked for a bunch of different guys who can't even be bothered to remember my stage name. As for VIP dances I like doing them but I also don't mind doing table dances (which some girls at my club either can't stand or practically refuse to do) and I never feel unsafe because my club has cameras in all the back rooms so I guess I'm spoiled

    One thing I notice is a lot of girls will spend a while sitting with a guy trying to get him to buy a champagne room or VIP dances, and that's somewhat stressful because if he says no you've wasted all that time. Sometimes it's just a safer bet to spend less time with each guy and rack up as many ten dollar dances as possible.

    Just do whatever is emotionally comfortable for you, and as long as you make the minimum amount of money you're happy with (or more) don't bother comparing yourself to other girls. Just because some girls at your club may act like they're better than table dances doesn't mean they're better than you! One thing I always try to remind myself is, making $200 on a night when most girls made $100 might FEEL like it's worth more than earning $200 on a night when most girls made $400, but that $200 buys me the same amount of stuff regardless.

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    Default Re: How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    It's all about VIP at my club (for me). You can do fairly well on normal dances on a busy night, but to do ok in the week or make the really good money you need longer sessions. I much prefer getting them- less people to work on/go through the same old chat with, a chance to rest feet, feeling pleased with myself on successfully selling x hr room, which breeds the confidence to go out and get another easily.

    I do agree on regulars though, I've never even put in the extra emotional effort to keep someone coming back just for me, I don't think I want to deal with that.

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    Interesting!

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    Default Re: How vital is getting VIP to your earnings?

    On a packed night there can be no difference. The trick is to see if the guys are buying strings of dances or just a few. If it's strings then it can be as much money per hour as doing VIP sans the crazy-long wait to go up.
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    All my best shifts so far have definitely been shifts where I did at least one VIP. The VIP room at my club is $300/hr, which works out to the same price as 15 dances. I'm lucky if I can even get 15 dances in one shift! (Although, I should point out that I work day shift, and it's often sloooow and/or filled with guys who aren't spending.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    a great benefit of VIPis a guaranteed chunk of money, whereas with dances you may just end up lap hopping with a few here and there, wasting a lot of time on the hustle.
    ^This. Also, at my club VIP's made you more money than regular dances for the same amount of time and the customers almost always extended.

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    its true that sometimes dances on the floor can lead to as much money as a champagne room or two... but I like pushing guys to get champagne rooms! its important to make them feel important (like they're baller status or something) and thats what keeps them coming back. they need to feel special! lap dances on the floor feel way less "special" than champagne rooms. i mean, if they don't go for it.. i'd rather stop wasting time and just keep doing dances on the floor instead, but i DO always try pushing VIP as soon as it feels right, usually during the first/second dance.

    oh and doing champagne rooms also it reminds my managers and floor guys that i'm serious about making money (myself and the club) so they come to girls like me FIRST when they have a whale. the majority of my $1k+ nights have been because of a badass floor guy he helps me out by hooking me up, and i hook him up with a certain percentage afterward
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    I haven't been dancing that often in the last two years, instead focusing more on escorting, however:

    VIPs were important on slower nights or if I wanted to get over $800 for the shift. I cannot recall any night over
    $800 that I didn't have at least one VIP.

    VIPs didn't mean necessarily having regulars (which I'm bad at except for those guys who are always good for two or three songs when I see them,) nor did it mean doing a lot of emotional get to know you stuff. A lot of the time it felt like I was having the same conversations over and over again: how's your day/week? I love this song/what do you listen to/do you go to concerts? What'd you do last weekend/holiday or what are your plans next week/next holiday?

    Basically I'd come up with relatively superficial questions that got them jn the storytelling mood. I would also carry massage oil in my purse and massage their shoulders, necks and hands. However, massage is technically illegal in some states without a massage license. I never had an issue but just so you know.

    You can manage your VIPs by being entertaining and playing to your strong suits conversationally:
    like jokes? memorize a lot and tell them throughout your time.
    Like trivia? same thing.
    are you a movie buff or video game geek? find those men and focus only on getting them up to VIP.

    You could even make it a case of the men having to fit YOUR profile in order to go upstairs instead of vice versa and the men you like to spend time with might get more time with you if they believe you really are pivky about who you go upstairs with and they happened to make the cut.

    Another sales trick that may make you feel more comfortable, gain rapport, and give you something to talk about--
    try to come up with seven things you and your target have in common. According to ones study I read, seven is the magic number for having the person feel like you and them have an almost soul mate bond, and it doesn't have to be romantic.

    the commonalities don't even have to be big like hometown; they can be superficial like both like dogs, murder mystery television, white bread, etc.

    You CAN keep things superficial, and get their money, and be able to pass the time with them relatively enjoyably talking about things you like too.
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    At my club, we have $20 dollar dances, 3 for $100 private (you keep $70), $250 /half hr (you keep $160), and more private rooms that are $450 /half hr, (you keep $260)
    I will not hustle for $20 dollar dances. They're ok, but it takes to long to add up. I like 3/100's best. Not too private, you fer sure get $70, and some of the rules for table dances make it kind of painful to dance for multiple songs. I abhor $250 rooms, unless the guy requests one, or we are mainly talking for the time. I love $450 rooms, but will only do them with a regular whom I trust.
    My best night was $1500, and I did about 3 hours with my regular and a few 3/100.
    However, my second best night was $1400, which was all 3/100's and a table.

    I find actual regulars only work out if you're simpatico, and kind of play out like mini relationships.
    FiendishGyrator, I agree with everything you say about rapport.

    I also make a lot of easy money because of the floor hosts, who know I will tip ten percent of whatever a guy will spend on me if they find me a big spender. It might seem like a lot, but it's helped me make almost a grand on a sleepy Sunday night.

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    My best nights have had lots of vips. I prefer hustling big chunks of money from a few guys as opposed to the same okey doke millions of times a night. That being said I wont invest a huge amount of time in any guy, so if he says no ill never lose alot of time. Big spenders are either going to spend right away or theyre not. Sitting with them an hour isnt going to make them come off more money than if you spend 20.
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    My home clubs don't offer private VIP rooms, and when I travel and work at places that do I'm so used to not having them that I don't even think about it.
    Any nights that I have sold or been brought in on a room have been good money nights, but also I've had high earning ($1k+) nights doing nothing but lapdances.

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    Given the chance, a club with VIP has made upsell easier for me.

    My club has a new policy. Anytime you are with a man for 30mins you are considered booked and charged $50. Even if you are just sitting together on the floor talking. No matter whether or not you are in the VIP designated room.

    I forsee blocks of 20mins being sold or $50 tacked on if the dance exceeds 30mins in the private rooms.
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    ^What??!! so if you do 10 dances with a guy (30 min.) the club will charge you $50???
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    yeah, what the fuck!! I'd be outraged and getting the other dancers to protest. that's horseshit greediness!
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    ^ Yep. The raised it in a dancer meeting and girls were not impressed but what can we do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirakonstantin View Post
    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    damn, smh
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    In my club (and city, UK) its almost impossible to make any money unless you get VIPs...some Saturdays I manage to do OK on single dances only but its h a r d work. During the week there are simply not enough customers...I wish there were bc I would much rather sell single dances!

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    I think it can really depend on where you are working. In WA all dances are bikini and there is no booze anywhere so this makes it more difficult to sell VIPs.

    I tend to stick to single dances. I dance super slow and every night I usually get one or two spenders who get dance after dance after dance.... I'd rather take all their cash in single dances then have the club take a big chunk too. That shit is fucking robbery IMO.
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    i guess vip isn't TOO vital to my earnings seeing as i don't get it a whole lot and do pretty well just in dances and stage tips but when i DO get champagne i typically have a much higher than average night. if only i could get it every night... -______________-

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