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    Default Worst time to start a new adult website (especially solo)?

    I've been hearing this from the people in the forums I belong to for the adult website industry.

    It's especially tough for solo sites, and especially softcore.

    My own experience starting a website this year has not been great, despite having a model as hot as anyone online (I think so anyway)--but there were complications, especially when I opted for a video clip sales format, and also chose ccBill as a payment processor--about the worst combination I could have chosen lol.

    Just curious how many of you out there have tried starting your websites, and how it has gone for you.

    I just think it sucks that the only people making money seem to be the gigantic conglomerate websites.

    I do think it's cool that Clips4Sale has done so well, especially because they offer people the chance to effectively start their own site by establishing a studio with them, and they really try to do whatever they can to help us. But the demand seems to be overwhelmingly fetish based there so far.
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    I have heard/seen that too. I would say yes its a bad idea unless you are, were, or are going to go pro and start a fan base, and you own and operate it yourself. But collective paysites with a niche (i.e. foot fetish, stockings) are pretty much dead I think because customers can find that stuff for free on free tube sites & forums dedicated solely to whichever niche. Most quality paysites cost around 4k just to be built and integrated, which is also something to think about.

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    I spent a little more than 2000$ on ours so far--not including paying the model for the rights to the videos, which was a lot more. Plus we will split all profits 50/50, after I get back what I put into it, including paying her for the rights.

    But I did all the graphics, etc. myself, or it would have cost a lot more, for the site itself. I tried to install the shopping cart myself, but after way too many hours beating my head against the wall, I had to pay a programmer to install it--that PHP programming is a bitch!

    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    ...But collective paysites with a niche (i.e. foot fetish, stockings) are pretty much dead I think because customers can find that stuff for free on free tube sites & forums dedicated solely to whichever niche...
    What's interesting is, I haven't seen very much of what our model is doing elsewhere online--not by anyone as hot as her anyway. There are plenty of models and sites with bootyshaking and extreme lingerie tease, but this girl is the best I've ever seen at it--outside the best stripclubs anyway. Of course she had a good coach lol...

    I think wisely chosen and effective marketing is far more important than the content or even appearance of the model.

    The biggest mistake I made was to allow myself to get discouraged by the difficulty in dealing with the shopping cart, and stop work on it a while back. I still can't load new video clips myself, and I can't afford to pay a programmer to load the 90 or so new ones I have ready to go, not to mention the 4-500 more there will be after I finish editing all the master copies. So I either need to get together enough cash to pay someone again, or bite the bullet and learn that PHP programming after all.
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    Ok. I would pause before you loose more $ because right now you are honestly just plunking it down the toilet.

    "Hot model" is not a plan. And it is not a niche.

    She may be a Kim K in your eyes but she is a complete nobody to the internet world. She is the same faceless tits and ass that is thrown up on pornhub and all of the other sites guys will jerk off and not give a shit at the end of the day. She has no brand.

    "Lingerie tease and booty shaking" is not something that stands out, at all. Sorry. Unless she has a mega huge ass or a big following - people's eyes will just glaaaaaze on over. Yawn.

    I would pause what you're doing, being completely honest because if you are trying to learn Photoshop/SEO, promo, etc all at once you will get overwhelmed and more $ down the toilet until you have to close up shop. Never a good thing.

    She needs a following. C4S is easy and you can get customs - $ more money, more variety - open up multiple stores. Sell on other content sites. Get her known. Get her out there. Build that up, have a few steady months - then bring back your idea for a solo site.

    Adult + "omfg hottest model everrrr" does not happen over night anymore. Maybe in the 90's but this is 2012 - new game and there are a lot of fish in the sea getting competitive.

    But if you want to make money you can't do what "you" like - Because I think (correct me if I'm wrong) judging by your posts - "omg this girl is super hot, love her ass man, gonna make mega $$ she is so hot" and you think because she's hot, she will just auto sell? It doesn't.

    Now you need something 'else' (if you want to stay vanilla then you better be with a promo company who can help you, and they will want a profit split as well) which is normally fetish. And you don't really get to pick that fetish either. Your customers do.

    There is a lot of info about it in CC (I dont know if you can read over there?) and GFY forums, etc.

    Get her into a fetish niche and do her ass shaking tease thing on the side or you will be drowning in this, loosing money and will have to bow out.







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    Default Re: Worst time to start a new adult website (especially solo)?

    beautiful post Hayden just beautiful took the words right out of my mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    I would pause what you're doing, being completely honest because if you are trying to learn Photoshop/SEO, promo, etc all at once you will get overwhelmed and more $ down the toilet until you have to close up shop. Never a good thing.
    I wish to Christ that I had read that before I started the website. Because that is exactly what happened a few months ago. I was fine doing the documentation/registration of business etc., editing the videos, doing the graphics, creating the website, etc. The final piece to the puzzle--the shopping cart--was what caused me to lose interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    Ok. I would pause before you loose more $ because right now you are honestly just plunking it down the toilet.

    She may be a Kim K in your eyes but she is a complete nobody to the internet world. She is the same faceless tits and ass that is thrown up on pornhub and all of the other sites guys will jerk off and not give a shit at the end of the day. She has no brand.

    "Lingerie tease and booty shaking" is not something that stands out, at all. Sorry. Unless she has a mega huge ass or a big following - people's eyes will just glaaaaaze on over. Yawn.
    Haha nothing could be more 'Yawn' to me than Kim K. But in the immortal words of H.L.Mencken, 'No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public'

    I do appreciate the warning about the difficulty in marketing the bikini/extreme lingerie niche, which BTW was the only niche I originally intended to cover. Though we already have branched out (as you advised) to other niches, it has become clear to me that it's not going to go over in a big way on C4S, which is after all a fetish site. So it's hardly surprising.

    Now I am very curious to find out what the sales of the C4S Bikini-Heat and CandyGirl Video studios might be. They are the two biggest extreme bikini/lingerie niche sites there. But we are currently number one in a category/niche where they aren't even close, and well ahead of them in a few more...

    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    "Hot model" is not a plan. And it is not a niche.

    Adult + "omfg hottest model everrrr" does not happen over night anymore. "omg this girl is super hot, love her ass man, gonna make mega $$ she is so hot" and you think because she's hot, she will just auto sell? It doesn't.
    Trust me, I am well aware that 'Hot' is neither a plan nor a niche. But what's with the omfg hottest everrrr stuff? I've never used that expression in my entire life. Anyway thanks for the otherwise excellent advice.


    And you don't really get to pick that fetish either. Your customers do.

    There is a lot of info about it in CC (I dont know if you can read over there?) and GFY forums, etc.

    Get her into a fetish niche and do her ass shaking tease thing on the side or you will be drowning in this, loosing money and will have to bow out.
    There is the one thing I might disagree with you about. The hell they are going to pick the fetish for us.

    But of course I understand what you mean about catering to customer requests, etc. An equally adept (and much more profit-minded) adage as that of Mencken is this one:

    'Know what your customers want most and what your company does best. Focus on where those two meet.' Kevin Stirtz

    I can read but not post in CC, and have no cam on the website, so I don't read much there. Since this isn't about camming but the creation and marketing of websites, it belongs here anyway.

    I have a couple friends who are on GFY, but they told me people tend to be rude in their replies there. I've made enough money in my life already, I don't have to put up with people getting snotty when it's completely unnecessary. But maybe I have heard wrong about the site?
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    It is harder and harder to do just vanilla content - because everyone can do it and everyone is everyones competition. Pussy is pussy unless you have something memorable. So if it isn't a physical trait (huge tits, huge clit, huge ass, unique hair color, etc) then it needs to be a fetish and you need to do it well, whatever it is.

    In a sense, yes your customers do pick your niche. Of course they dont email you and say "Hey that chick should do SPH" (well sometimes they do lol) Because the $ trail is what you follow, the guys who buy from you are 'telling' you what you are good at. If you want to make big money than you need to learn and cater to what people are wanting to buy.

    TBH if you guys are wanting make big $$$ with this then you will need to cater to a fetish. Experiment and see what sells - and you will probably have to step out of your comfort zones. Where adult is right now and with the way competition is right now, if you are extremely picky about what what you will do you won't be very successful. Unless she plans to go into porn or wants to cam then she will drown in a sea of other 'hum-drum' vanilla paysites and clips.



    You need to take a step back and ask yourself, why are you doing this? As a hobby and to learn some new skills? Or are you serious about making money?

    Example, If she was doing armpit fetish and was doing really, really well at it would you just throw your hands in the air, and quit because she wasn't shaking her ass? Because she isn't doing what you want to see her do? Lol I guess that is the point I'm trying get across. You don't get into this and film selfishly - you do what is in demand.

    On the subject of C4S and fetish - I love fetish and I love my C4S guys. My customers are always very kind and polite and are extremely loyal. I really genuinely enjoy making videos for them - they are low-key/less demanding (where as in vanilla I run into endless 'ASS! TITS OR GTFO') and it turns it into something I have fun doing. If I went into this with a closed mind I wouldn't be making any kind of a dent for myself or doing half as well as I am now.

    That is my 0.02.

    The Clips4Sale thread has some good info in CC. GFY has a good amount of trolls but if anything else it's great for reading - there is a ton of good info there.
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    This page has about 350 basic lessons on it about being an adult webmaster: http://www.cozyfrog.com/academy/index.aspx, there is a whole section on Paysite's and managing (yours and client) expectations: http://www.cozyfrog.com/academy/03-paysite-success.aspx

    I agree with Hayden, GFY is helpful, also Blackhatworld & YNOT.

    You're selling softcore porn (a dying industry) without much experience, your mind needs to be wide open and your expectations need to be low. Trolls are on every site, GFY and a bunch of adult webmaster/affiliate marketing sites have assholes but a lot of them know a shit ton about the industry. I see the 'tude there but if this is what you want to do that shouldnt shut you off of checking it out since it is more heavily resourced than SW by a long shot.

    I think most of the 'tude is exhaustion with people wanting to make a lot of money in adult entertainment but not reading the pre-existing threads or otherwise contributing. Just usual forum culture stuff that isnt unique to GFY.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I can read but not post in CC, and have no cam on the website, so I don't read much there. Since this isn't about camming but the creation and marketing of websites, it belongs here anyway.
    What Hayden meant is there is more about website development, clips, SEO, photoshop, marketing, etc in CC (esp 2010-2011) than Industry Insight - not that the thread should be moved.

    Itd probably be best if you did read it or at least search through it. In terms of expansion and demand, Camming is the new porn, so people are on top of new developments pretty quickly - particularly around payment processors and chargebacks, which are critical to be on top of if youre trying to launch a solo pay site. Camming Connection is really "online adult performers" since many who cam who post in CC also do content, photos, clips, social media, blogs, interviews, etc - all which youd need to be on top of since youre trying to market a very tough product.

    Which I believe is what Hayden was getting at





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    Thanks very much for the CozyFrog links!

    Yeah as far as CC goes, I confess I lost patience reading threads in which I couldn't reply and stopped looking a while back, funny how that works. So I went elsewhere to seek advice, and I have been a member of Ynot and xBiz since the beginning of the year, where I was posting a lot (on both forums) after we started the site a while back. That is where I learned that what we were trying to do was a very challenging proposition. I also joined Blackhat World but haven't been on there much, I will check that out some more, thanks.

    I know we will not be raking in the cash with the site as is, even after I add all the 100 new clips I have edited now and possibly several hundred more later from existing available unedited content. My goal is not to get rich quick with a site in an already oversaturated market. My goal is rather to make a long term overall, gradually building profit for both of us. I have my DJ career, which generally pays much, much better than the website business (with certain notable exceptions). She has been the Number One webcam girl on her site for several years running, but has been getting tired of it and thus is looking to branch out and supplement that existing income.

    So basically this has been a fascinating if very challenging pet project of mine from the get-go. Initially I was very naive, but hanging around in Ynot and xBiz made me aware that what we were trying to do was very much an uphill battle.

    Maybe I will check out GFY, but I cannot stand people getting unnecessarily snotty in reply to simple questions. I have been through all kinds of ups and downs in the club scene, and made a hell of a lot of money overall in a nasty, brutal business. So I don't need any more petty bullshit, and would rather not associate with people who thrive on it. I can always go find the answers to the questions elsewhere, without getting insulted by people who aren't fit to tie my shoes.

    Thanks for all the replies and the excellent advice.
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    I have a few suggestions, as my wife has her own personal solo subscription site and we build them - and we've had some time to experiment.

    - The first thing I suggest doing is showing webmasters the website you are speaking of, so that they can see what you're doing right - and what you're doing wrong. For example, if the aesthetic value of your website is bad, people are going to assume that your content is bad as well.

    - If this is a solo model with her own personal website - you're wasting your time with search engine optimization and google adwords - unless you are willing to provide SOME free content. The reason is because in this economy, only your die-hard fans / people that know your name and have jobs are going to be your paying customers. Do not expect that many random people to subscribe. You aren't going to find those fans from a search engine, you're going to find those fans from a cam model website. When my wife goes on Chaturbate, ALL the site traffic and subscribers come from that one single source - not google. If they are NOT signed up here and interfacing with potential clients, you won't ever get them.

    - SEO IS good if you are NOT running a solo model / personal subscription site. Especially if you're fresh meat just starting off. GOOGLE ADWORDS.

    - If you're blowing thousands of dollars on a website, I would highly suggest you seek consulting - because that is unacceptable, there are far better, cheaper options available.

    - Compensate for the economy, don't think you are selling yourself short with lower prices. Sometimes less is more. You may think $3 dollars for a video is a bad idea - but imagine those 300 people who see your video only costs $3 dollars, PLUS the other content on your site = It Adds Up. Setting high prices to give the illusion of high value is a cheap tactic that many people are waking up to, and it doesn't work very well anymore in this economy - don't do it.

    I would really consider focusing on your models interfacing and chatting with people on webcam sites and let the content of their character be the branding on your website.

    Is it a bad time to start an adult website because of the economy? NO. It just means you have to work much harder and become the kings and queens of what you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModelOutput View Post

    - If you're blowing thousands of dollars on a website, I would highly suggest you seek consulting - because that is unacceptable, there are far better, cheaper options available.

    - Compensate for the economy, don't think you are selling yourself short with lower prices. Sometimes less is more. You may think $3 dollars for a video is a bad idea - but imagine those 300 people who see your video only costs $3 dollars, PLUS the other content on your site = It Adds Up. Setting high prices to give the illusion of high value is a cheap tactic that many people are waking up to, and it doesn't work very well anymore in this economy - don't do it.

    I would really consider focusing on your models interfacing and chatting with people on webcam sites and let the content of their character be the branding on your website.

    Is it a bad time to start an adult website because of the economy? NO. It just means you have to work much harder and become the kings and queens of what you do.
    Thanks for the advice! The main reason I have blown thousands on the website is that I have paid her for the rights to the videos, towards her half of the anticipated profits. That way she got something substantial for signing away the rights to all those videos to me--probably a thousand hours all told, though we aren't using any of the stuff with toys or penetration yet. The site itself has cost me a little over 2,000$.

    We decided on the video clip sales format after I read about how bad the piracy was getting. Short term this hurt--a lot--mostly because that format requires a shopping cart, and like a dumbass I picked ccBill for a payment processor, and like an even bigger dumbass I followed their recommendation to use osCommerce for the shopping cart.

    Long term I still think it was the correct choice, but I think we need a major sliding discount to make it more palatable to all the guys who are used to being able to pay 20-30$ for all the content on a site for a month. I have endeavored to keep the prices as low as I can, but since February I haven't added anything to the site itself, only the Clips4Sale studio.

    When editing the videos for C4S, I found that 44 seconds over the minute is the threshhold at which the clip price is raised by a dollar, so most of the clips are about 3:44, 4:44, or 5:44 (so 4, 5, or 6$). I try not to let them go any longer because I suspect that not many guys are going to shell out more than 6-7$ for any one video--except of course the die hard fetish guys maybe.

    I can send you a link to the site if you are interested, but I will be revamping it before making a major advertising push, so it could very well change in a big way. Plus it doesn't have a lot of content, only about 30 clips (60 including both formats) as opposed to about 115 (230 including both formats) on the C4S studio. I didn't want to pay 10$ a clip to load them anymore.
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    Is it necessary to sign her videos away to you? I don't see a need for that, especially so early. Instead, I would write up a contract where both parties agree that the videos remain hers, but both parties agree to split the earnings 50/50. If it's exclusivity issue you may be worried about, that can also be contained in the contract agreements.

    Some other shopping carts you may want to check:
    Magento
    phpCOIN
    PrestaShop
    SugarCRM
    TomatoCart
    vtiger CRM
    ZenCart

    We can take a look at the site, and give some pointers if you'd like! [email protected] if you rather keep the link under wraps for now.

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    Well the business is officially in my name, so I cannot sell video clips without a model release form. And I felt she should get something now to sweeten the deal, since she has sent me about a thousand hours of video. I was rolling in cash at the time so it seemed like the right thing to do. Everybody is happy with that part. Now we want to start slowly building it up so we can see some profit, I can make back my investment, and we can both get at least a little boost to our main income.

    I am trying to decide whether to totally redo the site, or build on it as is and slowly modify and improve it. I know page two is too much like another 'Intro Page', like the first page. That needs to be redone at the least, we are losing a lot of guys there (I can see it in the site statistics).

    I will send you the link after I do that, I definitely appreciate the offer of advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModelOutput View Post
    Some other shopping carts you may want to check:
    Magento
    phpCOIN
    PrestaShop
    SugarCRM
    TomatoCart
    vtiger CRM
    ZenCart
    I did some searches a while back on what the best shopping cart programs were, but didn't come up with anything useful.

    Which if these have you tried? I need something that is easy to install and easy to load new clips with, those are my two highest priorities--and customer friendly, of course.
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    I hear very good things about ZenCart & Magneto but cant tell you anything about how they connect with a adult friendly payment processors. Have you though about expanding your clip stores in other places like c4s?

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    Thanks for the good word about YNOT, roast. I'm the VP of the company and have worked there for over 12 years. SO if anyone has any questions or needs help or chooses to post there as well as here, please hit me up.

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    Well her personal fan base is going to be the only way you will make money off this then. And if she doesn't have one yet through either camming/porn/celebrity status, its not going to make money. If she has loyal fans then it probably will make money, but it will have nothing to do with the type of content inside if she's not fetish. It will solely have to do with guys liking her personality so much that they become regulars. There are tons of traditionally beautiful women out there with paysites with massive amounts of content, who are well established, etc and even they have had significant losses + having to work more. So the only thing thats going to differentiate your paysite girl and these paysite girls (since no untapped fetish is involved) is going to be personality and fan interaction through social media, conventions, and media content like webcam/porn/movies/modeling spreads in magazines. I'm not sure how established she is, but those require dedication, hardcore networking, and ongoing travel expenses which add up fast.

    Hosting per month also ends up costing a lot due to the size of videos you need it to hold. So it may be actually in debt until she builds a fan base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Well her personal fan base is going to be the only way you will make money off this then. And if she doesn't have one yet through either camming/porn/celebrity status, its not going to make money. If she has loyal fans then it probably will make money, but it will have nothing to do with the type of content inside if she's not fetish. It will solely have to do with guys liking her personality so much that they become regulars. There are tons of traditionally beautiful women out there with paysites with massive amounts of content, who are well established, etc and even they have had significant losses + having to work more. So the only thing thats going to differentiate your paysite girl and these paysite girls (since no untapped fetish is involved) is going to be personality and fan interaction through social media, conventions, and media content like webcam/porn/movies/modeling spreads in magazines. I'm not sure how established she is, but those require dedication, hardcore networking, and ongoing travel expenses which add up fast.

    Hosting per month also ends up costing a lot due to the size of videos you need it to hold. So it may be actually in debt until she builds a fan base.
    IA. This is the reason a lot of girls do the work themselves - if you split profits it doesn't end up being worth it most of the time.

    A dedicated server can run you $200 - $350 maybe even more /month.







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    IA. This is the reason a lot of girls do the work themselves - if you split profits it doesn't end up being worth it most of the time.
    I would have been quite happy to have her work with me more on the site (especially if she knew PHP programming ), but she doesn't want to do any work at all on it, except send videos.
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    Just to further clarify, from my post written before your first reply:

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I think wisely chosen and effective marketing is far more important than the content or even appearance of the model.
    And the niche we were aiming to fit was not 'Hot Model', but Extreme Bikini/Lingerie/Bootyshaking. But we were already branching out from that quite a bit before I ever started this thread, and will no doubt continue to do so--for instance, the one niche she is currently number one studio on C4S

    As far as her making a profit from the site, she has already made many thousands from it--I made very sure of that. Now I want to make sure she makes some more, and myself as well...

    Again I thank all of you for your replies!
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    Of course she doesn't.
    LMAO

    Did you really look at the adult market before getting into it?
    Did you do research an how much income comes from a solo non-sex site?

    Used to be a solo girl site made about $60,000 for a WELL KNOWN porn star that had sex on it. This before cost & webmaster splits. That was 10 years ago. Now I would estimate about $20,000 if the girl is lucky. 4 to 5 years ago I made $100,000 a year, now I make $35,000. Even back in the hayday of internet porn profits 90% of solo girl sites FAILED

    Over 1/2 the industry has gone belly up & the rest selling out to Manwin. Then there is all the free tube sites to kill off profits. So I think you are pissing in the wind with a no name, no brand, no sex girl. That business model went out the door in the year 2000, just ask Playboy, they have not turned a profit in 10 years.

    Porn is not easy money.

    C4s market is men wanting to purchase individual clips without the commitment of a membership site. Way different crowd. I do highly suggest adding camming to her members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Of course she doesn't.
    LMAO
    Of course she doesn't what? Want to do any work on the site but send me videos? It is mildly amusing, I suppose--but I have noticed that there are many women here who do indeed want to work on their own websites, which is very cool. One of the things I like about StripperWeb, and one of the reasons I have been a member here for ten years. There are many creative, intelligent people here who enjoy discussing industry issues in a supportive environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Did you really look at the adult market before getting into it?
    Did you do research an how much income comes from a solo non-sex site?
    No, I did not research it. I didn't know where to go to do that. Now I do. While it would have been much better had I known about Ynot, xBiz, etc. before starting the site, it's too late to turn back the clock now, and pointless to harp on the subject. Save perhaps as a lesson to others with a lot less ready cash than I had to play around with it.

    Some people blow their money on expensive cars, jewelry, other useless commodities...and blow.

    I blew a few thousand trying to help out a very talented and beautiful model. I don't regret it. And it ain't over yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Used to be a solo girl site made about $60,000 for a WELL KNOWN porn star that had sex on it. This before cost & webmaster splits. That was 10 years ago. Now I would estimate about $20,000 if the girl is lucky. 4 to 5 years ago I made $100,000 a year, now I make $35,000. Even back in the hayday of internet porn profits 90% of solo girl sites FAILED

    Over 1/2 the industry has gone belly up & the rest selling out to Manwin. Then there is all the free tube sites to kill off profits. So I think you are pissing in the wind with a no name, no brand, no sex girl. That business model went out the door in the year 2000, just ask Playboy, they have not turned a profit in 10 years.

    Porn is not easy money.

    C4s market is men wanting to purchase individual clips without the commitment of a membership site. Way different crowd. I do highly suggest adding camming to her members.

    Good Luck,
    Sam
    Interesting. It is indeed much, much easier to make money as a stripclub DJ than as webmaster of a solo site. Fortunately, I have averaged 60-80,000$ a year since I started working in the Keys six years ago.

    We could add cam to the site, I suppose--but she is already getting tired of doing that, and busy enough with it as it is on her present webcam site, which is very well run by a very smart friend of mine.

    Manwin sucks. But that's the way it goes sometimes.

    Thanks for your input Sam38g.



    Again, thanks for all the replies. Now let's get back to the question posed in the OP:
    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post

    Just curious how many of you out there have tried starting your websites, and how it has gone for you.
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