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    So I was at the vanilla job the other day talking to one of the store owners and I had been bitching about my mom and how broke I always am (we're kinda friends too) and she just says "Why don't you just marry some foreigner?"

    And of course I am like "uhhhh wtf are you talking about?"

    Apparently people will pay thousands of dollars to anyone who'll do it to pretend to be their husband or wife in order to fast-track permenant residency. And given the current state of the economy in the US and now what's looking to be Europe, the value of Canadian residency is at an all-time high!

    Apparently a lot of her friends who are immigrants got their PR status this way. By way of either a 6-month travel visa or student visa. I'm not stupid, I know this stuff happens, but I had NO idea it was this commonplace like she was making it sound. Crrraaaaaaayyyy!!!

    On the one hand, it makes me upset that our immigration system is so easy to cheat (oh yeah, she mentioned another friend that moved here to get away from the police in his country, where he has a criminal record....great system eh?)

    On the other, I want to say fuck it and get in on this action before it's too late!

    So: if you met someone that was at least kinda cool/fun and they were willing to fork over the cash would you?

    I'm debating looking into this more, but I wanna say I would if I could see the other person as trustworthy and someone I could joke around with and develop a friendship with. I would have to get along with them, otherwise I don't know how you wouldn't get caught. But also I think getting "caught" is arbitrary...who says you need to love someone to marry them? Loveless marriages happen all the time. Marriage is really just a legal status when it boils down. Also I'd probably ask for 20k and aim to haggle to 15k. Because if someone has 10k to throw out on a CHANCE at residency (they can still be denied even as a spouse), I'd be willing to bet they have another 10k lying around somewhere. Or at least 5. For dipping into those grey areas of the law, I'd want to be well-compensated. Plus all the time it would take to get to know them enough and do enough things together over time to gather all the evidence.

    Fuck I'd probably marry an american for free just to get residency privileges since it's so damn near impossible otherwise haha.

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    I'd do it for a lot less.
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    My first thought was no but then I started asking about all the scenarios. I suppose it would depend. However, be warned that immigration is looking at this issue a lot more than in the past so you would have to almost prove it was a love marriage. I have wondered if my paternal grandparents loved each other or if nana used my grandfather to come here legally from England.

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    I'm really reticent to write this, as I don't want to feed into the "immigrants taking advantage of the system" ish that often goes on here on sw, but there's a huge risk involved in marrying a stranger internationally and sponsoring them to live in the US or Canada. When you sponsor someone, you're making a legal contract with the government that you will support them for a set number of years, even if you legally divorce within that time period. That means if one's spouse ends up requiring social assistance (and in some cases, medical care) guess who ends up paying (it's not the taxpayers).

    Obviously the vast majority of people who immigrate to the US and Canada have every intention of supporting themselves and do so, with what are in some cases meager resources. Immigrants are in no way a drain on our nations. Just realize that there's alot of personal responsibility involved in sponsoring a spouse, which in this case would involve a stranger about whom you know nothing. I guess for me it comes down to the fact that, while I don't have a huge problem with marriages of convenience, it's technically a little shady. Would I trust a stranger, when all I know about them is that they're willing to do something kinda shady?

    Even if the person is 100% ethical in every other way, if they get sick or injured and can't work, you're on the hook for their support.

    I agree that marriage is often a bullshit economic arrangement that says little about the actual bond between two people, but still, tread carefully. There are legal ramifications to arrangements like these. It's alot of trust to place in a stranger, and 10k isn't exactly a lottery windfall.

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    I believe this is illegal. i'm no moral abritrator however in my experience it is always best notto chat about the possibility of doing things which are illegal on the internet, which is not private. if someone is determined enough they'll figure out who you are.

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    If they were a friend and I knew they were a good person and it would help, I would marry them for the money, sure. (Hypothetically, as I'm commonlaw as it is right now.)

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    these days such 'marriages of opportunity' will definitely draw intense scrutiny from ICE.

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    From what I understand, it's not quite as simple as you getting a wad of cash, getting married, and then everything being all fun and games.

    First, there's the issue of the money. You can't claim it because of its illegal origins, and you can't put it in the bank lest it trigger a red flag. So, you can't really use it for any significant purchases of assets, like towards a house/car, only relatively small/moderate cash purchases.

    Second, no one can know that it's not a real marriage. All it takes is one person to report you for it to all come unraveling, and it's not quite as simple as them getting deported and that being the end of it. You'll surely get charged with something for accepting that money and trying to cheat the system. So, for all intents and purposes, you really are marrying this person and can't just be friends and have real relationships on the side. You just never know who could tell and how negatively it could impact your life.

    Personally, this is something I could only do for a very good friend - never for a total stranger. I have a Canadian friend currently (legitimately and not just to get a visa) married to a Brit, and she's faced lots of issues with traveling between the two countries and getting residency. It's a lot of headaches and I wouldn't want to take part in them for someone I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    From what I understand, it's not quite as simple as you getting a wad of cash, getting married, and then everything being all fun and games.

    First, there's the issue of the money. You can't claim it because of its illegal origins, and you can't put it in the bank lest it trigger a red flag. So, you can't really use it for any significant purchases of assets, like towards a house/car, only relatively small/moderate cash purchases.

    Second, no one can know that it's not a real marriage. All it takes is one person to report you for it to all come unraveling, and it's not quite as simple as them getting deported and that being the end of it. You'll surely get charged with something for accepting that money and trying to cheat the system. So, for all intents and purposes, you really are marrying this person and can't just be friends and have real relationships on the side. You just never know who could tell and how negatively it could impact your life.

    Personally, this is something I could only do for a very good friend - never for a total stranger. I have a Canadian friend currently (legitimately and not just to get a visa) married to a Brit, and she's faced lots of issues with traveling between the two countries and getting residency. It's a lot of headaches and I wouldn't want to take part in them for someone I don't know.
    THIS. When we went to Canada, I had intention to sponsor my husband. Not only is the immigration interview INTENSE (they interviewed us together, then separately, twice. We passed easily but that's not the point) but the whole process is very, very expensive. Part of the reason we came back to the States is we just simply didn't have the money (I'm a dual citizen so can go either place without incident). Last but not least, I do believe if you get caught it's a felony.

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    i used to think i would totally marry a friend if they paid my bills and considered marrying a friend who did want to move to the states, but i have rethought my decision.

    i travel so much that when i do meet someone a few yrs down the road who i might actually want to live with me in the US, it is just as likely that they will be foreign as they will be American. If i do fall in love with someone and they want to move to NOLA with me, i do not want that opportunity to be closed because i hastily married someone for cash a few yrs back.

    with all the scrutiny from immigration, i imagine marrying someone for citezenship is a choice you can only sucessfully make once.

    and i certainly would not marry someone, even if for practical reasons, unless they were a very close friend. a lot of trust is involved there and you are bound together for as long as he wishes to be an american. Its a lot of commitment even if it is not for love.

    and i certainly wouldnt do it for only 10k. If you are really strapped for cash, i do not htink it is that hard to save 10k within 3 or 4 if you are a good stripper AND, more importantly, good at saving money.
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    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I worked with a few girls from Canada and one of them married a local with US citizenship. They had to go through several seperate interviews and according to her they werent 'nice'. i think people even came to their house to ensure that they were indeed, married, and the u.s. citizenship doesn't come overnight, i mean it seemed to be a pretty legnthy process...i actually want to say the since they were only married for three years she may not have even acquired US citizenship? The process seemed super stressful (from my perspective).

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    Fuck no!

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    also, if you are broke and a sex worker, do you really think that 10k at once will solve your problems?

    I feel like most sex workers who are broke are largely broke due to poor money management skills. if you have poor money management, then the 10k will only solve your problems for a couple of months. You are best off finding a long way to sustain yourself in the long term. because remember, if you cant manage your money and the 10k dissappears in a few months, you will still be married to this guy and have to deal with pretending to be in a marriage and have this marriage cause problems for you in other relationships (even if it is on paper, you can bet it will cause issues for a significant number of people you get seriously involved with). and also , if you want to ever move it could be an issue because you will not looked married if you are living across the country. You will need to find a way to disguise this too.

    so seriously consider this.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I'm not big of marriage anyway but 10k is nothing to have to deal with that stress.

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    Lol ok I started this thread because I thought it was an interesting topic of conversation NOT because I am seriously considering doing it! I know people will have a looooot of different opinions on this matter and i want to hear them I do not think 10k would solve all my problems, of course not, but 10k is like 3-4 months full time salary (i dance and work part time to=full time work hours)...which is probably how long it would take you to "fake" a relationship, and you wouldn't be putting 30-40 hrs a week into this venture right? And fuck, I can only work that much during the summer. I barely work at all during the schoolyear as my program is so demanding. It's not a huge amount, and I totally see why lots of ppl wouldn't be phased by it, but it was a high enough amount to get me thinking!

    Yes, it is totally illegal...hence why this conversation is completely hypothetical. I don't think there's anything illegal about entertaining conversations on the topic of speculating about grey or illegal areas of the law. However, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, don't want to get in any trouble! BUT it is only illegal if you could prove it. Prove that the marriage was for "convienience". And even then, marriages of convienience are not expressly "illegal", in this case they would have to prove that you were commiting fraud. How? How would the authorities prove that you DON'T or DO love someone? All it really takes to have a "legitimate" marriage is to...get married. All the other factors such as if you really love them, etc are all personal. Another interesting subtopic...

    Another note, the type of marriage my boss was implying was not with some stranger who lives overseas but with someone currently in the country, on a visa, that seeks to stay permenantly, so feasibly, you could say, meet with them a few times a week, legitimately get to know them, everything about them, their family, and vice versa, take pictures, videos, etc, over a period of time, so as to "prove" the relationship in interviews. Not talking about some half-assed, half-baked scheme here.

    I came accross this, they recently tweaked the law:

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/departm...2012-03-09.asp

    "Under the new proposal, now open for further public input, a spouse or partner being sponsored by a Canadian or permanent resident would be required to live together with their sponsor in a legitimate relationship for two years following receipt of their permanent resident status in Canada. If these steps are not pursued, the sponsored spouse or partner’s status could be revoked, possibly leading to their removal and in some instances, criminal charges could also be laid. For all legitimate relationships, the condition would cease to apply once the conditional period has elapsed."

    I'm glad the government realises that this is a problem but I don't know how this is supposed to really change anything. If two people can fake a marriage they can fake living together too. Hell, lots of married couples don't live together all the time, would it not feasibly be possible to just have your "fake" spouse just have his mail delivered to your "shared" house, keep some photos around and have the person come to stay when the investigators come calling? Again, speculation, but I'm willing to bet that people who are crafty enough to get through immigration initially are crafty enough to pretend to hold their fake marriage together for two years. I would guess that all it's going to result in is people charging more for the additional work and stress and inconvienience.

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    ^Maybe this is a regional thing then? I'm not surprised as our area is more than 50% immigrants, I figured at least some of them got their PR/citizenship through illegal or shady ways. 60k though eh? and another for 10k? The 10k one was like I described though right? Someone who just wants to stay, they came here legally technically. And the 60 was someone who was sponsored from overseas? Which would explain the price difference? Or does it just vary that much. Yeesh 60k is a loooot.

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    i know 2 people that married their way into my country. 1 from USA and 1 from France.

    I don't have any issues with it.

    If i was friends with the person, i'd do it most certainly.

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    I've been asked three times. Once by an African guy I'd only met twice in school, one was a friend of a Serbian guy I was seeing (who had weird anti Muslim issues), and once by a cute Mexican dude I had just met! I didn't feel comfortable with any of them but if it was a guy I actually wanted to date/marry I might feel differently. As long as you (the general 'you') check the person out thoroughly it may be safe.
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    I know a couple who are both married - to another couple. $10k [each] up front, plus $200/month each, 5 year deal. Almost done with it now. According to them it was a lot of stress but very much worth it. Not saying anything about it one way or another; seems like a volatile topic if it goes awry, lol. Just read the thread and thought "wow - that's [so and so]"; it seemed to work for them but I dunno, always sounded like a really risky proposition to me"...

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    Yeah I had an offer like this, 20k up front then some sort of negotiable arrangement.
    Noooo.
    Look it's against the law, you could get in a fuckton of trouble. You have to live with someone for a couple of years. Ever been married before? Ever shared a bathroom and bed with a man for a full two years??????? Ugh the idea of some guy using my nice shampoo ............ look I can only marry for love. That's not a moral thing it's just that I can only tolerate a man in my space if I truly love him.

    I think Athena made some good points, you'd blow through that 10k so fast ....& still have that man hanging around for a looooong time.

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    When I was 18 the manager of a club I danced at had connections to a 'marry immigrants for money' ring and told me I could get 25 to 50 stacks (or maybe more) depending on where the guy was from. I was all for it, until he told me that immigration would be coming to check the house so we better have one bed, etc., everything like we were really married, and we'd have to be together for at least a year.

    Looking back, 25,000 dollars seemed like a lot of money to me when I was young, but my friend's baby daddy for example makes 25,000 a year answering phones between the hours of 9 am and 5 pm. Living with a strange man for the same amount of money sounds a bit like doing too much.

    2 years later a lady at my 'legit' job asked if I would marry her brother for a few thousand dollars and an all expense paid trip to Iran to go get his ass (cause that's really my dream vacation.) I said thanks but no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joanna_Kaary View Post
    2 years later a lady at my 'legit' job asked if I would marry her brother for a few thousand dollars and an all expense paid trip to Iran to go get his ass (cause that's really my dream vacation.) I said thanks but no thanks.
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    I wouldn't mind divorcing, then marrying a Brit as long as I got a dual citizenship. If he wanted to give me $10k on top, why not! On a serious note, I do plan on marrying a Brit for love, and his sexy accent, and dual citizenship. Of course, it's a lot more complicated than that and they are clamping down on "marriages" like this. I consider myself in sort of a marriage of convenience because of the situation now. We love each other, but he isn't acting like he should so I don't see a future unless he happens to change which I know won't happen. It feels like a convenience marriage because 1. I sleep in a separate bedroom and 2. He gives me an allowance. I literally feel like one of those military wives who only married to get BAH but it's unfair because that wasn't my intention when I married him.

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