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    Why the hell do customers and boyfriends think they can do the job better?

    I am going through a rough time in many ways- dealing with legal shit, taxes and other obligations. It's really slow right now at work and my boyfriend/ex boyfriend keeps yelling at me trying to lecture me that I should not worry about the cam score, it shouldn't matter if I am online for 2 hours and make no money (I'm on MFC) and he bitches at me for coming home really late from work- saying it's ridiculous, and says the reason why I don't make money during decent hours because I am probably sitting around and socializing- when during the summer- most of my money making nights are later than usual. He thinks my job is easy there is no reason for me to be this broke right now and blah, blah blah

    I even get "pointers" from customers- what are you my fucking pimp? I know how to do my fucking job. I got a long ass MFC mail from this guys telling me how I should ask for tips, pointers on how to do a countdown and etc.You fucking kidding me?

    I met this guy in the strip club stating he can give me lessons about how to get VIPs and etc- actually a guy who doesn't buy drinks or dances- WTF.

    I'm sick of you people- think you know it all while in fact, you never fucking spend money anyway- and I hope you men are reading this. Anyone run into this stupid fuckers?


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    I love when customers try to tell me how to make money off 'those guys.' And by love I mean hate/find ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoX View Post
    Well I'd start with a hat that matches your damn bow tie.

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    OMG YES.

    This. shit. drives. me. nuts.

    But, I think I've figured it out. These idiots are perverts. They know they are perverts. They also know that they are worthless. That NO ONE values them in their day to day lives. So what to they do? They validate their perversions and give themselves a sense of worth by appointing themselves as official knowitalls of the life and plight of the women of the sex industry. You know, the women they have to pay to get her to even listen to that shit.

    Think about it, its MUCH easier to say "I'm going out tonight to help beautiful young women better themselves so they will adore me" then to say "I'm going out tonight to pay beautiful young women to grind on me and hopefully they will tolerate me"


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    I hate that. I also hate when men here (often non regular posters)who will try to give me tips on how to make money. In fact I got a funny one a few months ago telling me I could learn a lot from him. Yeah dude, I am pretty much retired now but danced over 10+ years, you going to try to teach me something?

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    Some dude did this to me last weekend. Although he did buy 2 half an hours off me, but he totally killed my buzz.
    Like dude, I don't give two fucks if your soon to be wife use to be a stripper. Doesn't make you a stripper businessman!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaniellaOHC View Post
    They validate their perversions and give themselves a sense of worth by appointing themselves as official knowitalls of the life and plight of the women of the sex industry.
    I think the word you were going for was "blight" but "plight" makes it even better, because (though these guys wouldn't think of it) it's closer to the truth and therefore funnier.

    Blight - (most common usage) a thing that spoils or damages something : her remorse could be a blight on that happiness.

    Plight - a dangerous, difficult, or otherwise unfortunate situation : we must direct our efforts toward relieving the plight of children living in poverty.


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    Him: we could meet... im 5ft 9 sexy italian with a 8 inch love stick...imagine playing with me... how would you do it
    Me: I would cut off your dick and feed it to the pigs

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    Seriously men could never do our job. They can't handle insults. End story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie_tinydancer View Post
    Seriously men could never do our job. They can't handle insults. End story.

    haha i agree, men are terrible with their ego problems

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    Hmm. Interesting thread.

    I'm one who dispenses advice fairly often; I hope I"m not falling into this category! As an 18-year veteran in all kinds of sales environments, a trainer, and a manager, I like to think I know when I see someone making a mistake in their pitch. If it's someone I know and/or respect, I will usually offer some advice when I see this happen. Same when I see or hear someone bitching about something where there is a change that could be made - I will usually pipe up and offer a pointer - take it or leave it. This isn't just to dancers mind you; it's wherever and whenever, if it doesn't seem inappropriate.

    I feel it necessary to mention here because I've had comments like what I see here directed at me from time to time from girls here or ITC - even from MM once or twice. And I always laugh my ass off. Don't get me wrong - what you ladies do is unique in many ways. MANY ways. BUT - there's a saying in sales that goes "sales is sales is sales is sales". And it's completely true. What you're selling and where may change, but the steps of the sale are still the steps of the sale. Marketing is still marketing and what you're marketing doesn't change the process. So when somebody who has made their living selling things says your approach with that guy could've been different, or that you should try a different closing technique - you might want to bite back the sarcastic ball busting and listen once in a while. Some of them just might know what the fuck they're talking about.

    This is ESPECIALLY funny because so many dancers I know will rip into someone from outside the industry for offering advice - and then proceed to operate on some asinine premise ranging from "this worked for me once" to straight up superstition!! For the love of all that is or ever was holy, don't tell someone off and then change into your "lucky shoes" to help switch things up, LMAO. Don't tell someone like me that they don't know WTF is up and then continue to work a pitch for dances and VIP's that has netted you less than $100 a night for 2 straight months - because it worked REALLY WELL one night 9 weeks ago; especially when it also sucked for you for 9 weeks before that night. I could go on and on with examples like that, lol.

    There will always be people that dispense advice in every part of your life. It's that way for all of us. And just like any other kind of advice, the advice you receive regarding your job should be put through a filter and broken down into good and bad. But dismissing it all offhand is never the right thing to do. You may be disgruntled that you think someone thinks they know it all; but odds are you have a lot to learn as well. I have yet to meet anyone who knows EVERYTHING.

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    Sometimes you need your assumptions challenged.

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    Idk AJ. I hear what you're saying about "sales is sales is sales is sales" and all, but I don't know many sales environments that are quite like strip clubs. I own an active business and half of my job is sales. I have also been selling for a good chunk of my adult life and like to believe that I know the steps of the sales process as well as anyone, but I don't think that I would want to try to apply my sales skills in a SC (even if I had the body for it, of course ).

    Strip clubs are quite extreme as compared to most sales environments. First, she is selling herself, not a washing machine. And while all sales require a certain amount of acting, a stripper has to have enough skills to make that fat, 60 year old guy believe that she actually WANTS to be crawling on him. She also has to do all this great acting while while wearing little to nothing.

    Further complicating the process is the difficulty in figuring out the actual buyer motivations. These services are personal in nature to the buyers and each guy goes to a club for different reasons. Compounding this issue is the fact that some guys go to clubs looking to buy what some dancers are not actually willing or able to sell and a subset of these types even go so far as to hide their true intentions. Net-net, very few sales processes require girls to work so hard to figure out motivations or require them to think as defensively as a dancer must.

    Now do I actually believe that I have some sense as to the traits and approaches common with succesful dancers? I do, but I will never share my opinions with a dancer. Why? Because they don't want to hear it. Opinions are like assholes - every guy has one. These girls hear so much ridiculous shit over the course of time from so many guys that it becomes impossible for them to sift out the good points from the bad ones. Also, the fact of the matter is that it is easy for us to tell a girl "you should say or do this", but what we think is a good approach may not work for her simply due to interpersonal or comfort limitations (remember, she is naked and trying to sell herself here).

    In a nutshell, IMHO each needs to figure it out for herself and learn to sell as best she can within her comfort zone. Try as we might and as much as we may sell a variety of goods and services, IMHO it is impossible for us to really put ourselves in their heels and to understand what it takes to sell simulated affection and attraction - and to do so safely - to guys in a SC environment.
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    Fuck sakes, YES. I HATE that one asshole who sits around not spending fkn shit & proceeds to tell you who to make money off of.

    Go play in traffic & leave me the fuck alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    Hmm. Interesting thread.

    I'm one who dispenses advice fairly often; I hope I"m not falling into this category!

    There will always be people that dispense advice in every part of your life. It's that way for all of us. And just like any other kind of advice, the advice you receive regarding your job should be put through a filter and broken down into good and bad. But dismissing it all offhand is never the right thing to do. You may be disgruntled that you think someone thinks they know it all; but odds are you have a lot to learn as well. I have yet to meet anyone who knows EVERYTHING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan
    Idk AJ. I hear what you're saying about "sales is sales is sales is sales" and all, but I don't know many sales environments that are quite like strip clubs. I own an active business and half of my job is sales. I have also been selling for a good chunk of my adult life and like to believe that I know the steps of the sales process as well as anyone, but I don't think that I would want to try to apply my sales skills in a SC (even if I had the body for it, of course ).
    There's no other environment quite like a small used car lot on a major town's car dealer row. There's no other environment quite like a high-pressure scam phone room. There's no environment quite like door-to-door in-home sales. There's no other environment quite like time share sales. There's no environment quite like a strip club - oh wait, you already covered that one. Sales is sales is sales is sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan
    Strip clubs are quite extreme as compared to most sales environments. First, she is selling herself, not a washing machine. And while all sales require a certain amount of acting, a stripper has to have enough skills to make that fat, 60 year old guy believe that she actually WANTS to be crawling on him. She also has to do all this great acting while while wearing little to nothing.
    First off, in sales you're almost always selling yourself. In the SC this is more-or-less literal, yes - but oddly that doesn't make it more true. Acting... Okay... But all she really needs to do is convince him that she doesn't NOT want to be crawling on him. He'll do the rest if she's on her game. Wearing little to nothing? Um - that should be a BENEFIT. Lets redress this a little differently.

    She is selling an experience, a fantasy, and something that is quite expensive and in the grand scheme of things, has little value to the customer in the long run. So she's selling an expensive skydiving experience, or the zip line down Freemont Street or a hot air balloon ride, or a day at an amusement park. THAT is what she's selling. HERSELF is the catalyst, the candy, the whip cream, the cheese. If ALL she was selling was herself, the top earner would always be the hottest girl, because that'sall the customer is interested in in the equation you've set up. The top earner in the club is seldom the hottest girl. It's the one with the best hustle. Hustle = sales technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan
    Further complicating the process is the difficulty in figuring out the actual buyer motivations. These services are personal in nature to the buyers and each guy goes to a club for different reasons. Compounding this issue is the fact that some guys go to clubs looking to buy what some dancers are not actually willing or able to sell and a subset of these types even go so far as to hide their true intentions. Net-net, very few sales processes require girls to work so hard to figure out motivations or require them to think as defensively as a dancer must.
    I thought you said you'd been in sales? So step #2 in most systems - fact finding - and step #4-5, overcoming objections - don't apply? Buyer motivations in some cases are easy - you came to my store, here is my product, buy it. In a SC, this is the case, within a range of expectations. This is far easier regardless of the venue than knocking on doors or cold calling and sellign people things they weren't even thinking about 23 seconds ago and had no intention of ever spending money on. Not saying it's easy, but saying it's easier than a lot of other sales environments.

    As for thinking defensively - the best defense is a good offense. The top girls in many of the clubs here ALWAYS make a guy think that's what he's buying. They get the money up front and let the bouncers deal with him 17 minutes into that hour he just paid for. Most of them will already be heading back to VIP with the next guys money in hand before that hour was supposed to be up. Not saying that's how it SHOULD be done, but don't make it sound like the poor things HAVE to be on the defensive all the time, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan
    Now do I actually believe that I have some sense as to the traits and approaches common with succesful dancers? I do, but I will never share my opinions with a dancer. Why? Because they don't want to hear it. Opinions are like assholes - every guy has one. These girls hear so much ridiculous shit over the course of time from so many guys that it becomes impossible for them to sift out the good points from the bad ones. Also, the fact of the matter is that it is easy for us to tell a girl "you should say or do this", but what we think is a good approach may not work for her simply due to interpersonal or comfort limitations (remember, she is naked and trying to sell herself here).
    Good point. So why would a girl bitch and moan incessantly about not making money - and then get pissed when she is given good advice? And I'm sorry, but overcoming personal comfort zones is part of sales. You use the approach and the close that will net you money. That's how it works, and to be as successful as possible, you do it whether it makes you all warm and fuzzy or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan
    In a nutshell, IMHO each needs to figure it out for herself and learn to sell as best she can within her comfort zone. Try as we might and as much as we may sell a variety of goods and services, IMHO it is impossible for us to really put ourselves in their heels and to understand what it takes to sell simulated affection and attraction - and to do so safely - to guys in a SC environment.
    Sales is sales is sales is sales. I hear ya. And a lot of girls are going to thank you and boo and hiss at me. But you're WRONG. Sure - I can't walk a mile in her heels. Fine. But I also don't need to. If I just heard your approach and your pitch and the entire convo with the guy next to me and it SUCKED and he was into you but you blew it anyway - I promise you that when I tell you how to go back and get him, I'm right. And a thousand other examples. The top girls, the real money makers, know sales. They get som good that their pitch barely changes from custie to custie. The objection handling does but the rest is a rote memorization that she can work drunk or sober or pissed off or happy or tired or stoned. Start small talk - direct it toward close. Discover objections - direct toward close. Trial close. Overcome objection, direct toward close. Trial close. And so on. Know why? Because that's how ANY top sales person works. No matter where.

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    I hear you, JoJoX, but it ain't just the men who come off like 'know it alls' who will tell you everything they think you are doing wrong whether you asked them to or not. Whether you already told them you are well aware of the mistakes you have made or not, whether they have the slightest clue as to what you are really trying to do or not.

    And I have met just as many women who don't like criticism as men. Ego is not a monopoly held by either sex, trust me.

    It just seems to be human nature. Some people just love to 'correct' other people. And from what I've seen, it's usually people who are sitting on their huge fat asses for 16 hours a day on the same place every day. Guys hanging out in the stripclubs all night long, people hanging out on the same forum all day long, etc., etc.

    If they were really such paragons of business acumen, they'd be out making the fucking money instead of telling us how much better they are at whatever the fuck it is..
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    I "stole" this pic, put on my FB and mentioned all my stripper contacts/friends on a separate comment (you know, since some of them may not like "tagging").





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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    There's no other environment quite like a small used car lot on a major town's car dealer row. There's no other environment quite like a high-pressure scam phone room. There's no environment quite like door-to-door in-home sales. There's no other environment quite like time share sales. There's no environment quite like a strip club - oh wait, you already covered that one. Sales is sales is sales is sales.
    AJ, you can try to equate the sales of products or services all you want to selling interpersonal services in a SC, but IMHO the analogy just doesn't hold water. In virtually all of the situations you note above, you are trying to sell one specific product or service. And in the case of the car lot, anyone who is walking on the lot does so because he has at least some interest in buying a car and, in the cases of door-to-door sales (which btw almost never happen anymore due to their relative inefficiency) phone scams and time share sales, you have the benefit of filtering through vast numbers to isolate a small pool of potential sales. In a SC, you are dealing with a discreet number of guys who walk in the door with wildly varying interests and motivations. It is simply not the same dynamic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    First off, in sales you're almost always selling yourself. In the SC this is more-or-less literal, yes - but oddly that doesn't make it more true. Acting... Okay... But all she really needs to do is convince him that she doesn't NOT want to be crawling on him. He'll do the rest if she's on her game. Wearing little to nothing? Um - that should be a BENEFIT. Lets redress this a little differently.

    She is selling an experience, a fantasy, and something that is quite expensive and in the grand scheme of things, has little value to the customer in the long run. So she's selling an expensive skydiving experience, or the zip line down Freemont Street or a hot air balloon ride, or a day at an amusement park. THAT is what she's selling. HERSELF is the catalyst, the candy, the whip cream, the cheese. If ALL she was selling was herself, the top earner would always be the hottest girl, because that'sall the customer is interested in in the equation you've set up. The top earner in the club is seldom the hottest girl. It's the one with the best hustle. Hustle = sales technique.
    When you are "selling yourself" in a normal sales transaction, what you are selling is your integrity and your belief in the product or service. That is a far cry from actually selling your tits, ass and simulated affections. And while you may believe that a dancer is selling a "fantasy, zip line experience, skydiving event", blah blah blah, for all you know what he thinks is buying is her ass rubbing on his cock, or whatever else he can get way with. And her being half or fully naked may make her feel more vulnerable while at the same time potentially fueling his bad behavior. Seriously dude, it is just not the same thing as selling some other luxury service.

    Now I'm not trying to make this personal, but your own MM was on here not too long ago espousing the benefits of Liquid Lapdance, including the fact that it would keep guys who bust their nuts from getting their jizz on her, so the potentially grittier nature of this thing is obviously not lost on her. Just sayin'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    I thought you said you'd been in sales? So step #2 in most systems - fact finding - and step #4-5, overcoming objections - don't apply? Buyer motivations in some cases are easy - you came to my store, here is my product, buy it. In a SC, this is the case, within a range of expectations. This is far easier regardless of the venue than knocking on doors or cold calling and sellign people things they weren't even thinking about 23 seconds ago and had no intention of ever spending money on. Not saying it's easy, but saying it's easier than a lot of other sales environments.
    Dude, I sell my services for a living and do quite well in doing so. And with that experience, I'll just point you back to my response to the first quote in this post. I'll just add that selling services where the primary motivators for making a purchase are lust and loneliness are dramatically different than selling almost anything else, both in what it takes to make the sale as well as the behaviors of the buyers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    As for thinking defensively - the best defense is a good offense. The top girls in many of the clubs here ALWAYS make a guy think that's what he's buying. They get the money up front and let the bouncers deal with him 17 minutes into that hour he just paid for. Most of them will already be heading back to VIP with the next guys money in hand before that hour was supposed to be up. Not saying that's how it SHOULD be done, but don't make it sound like the poor things HAVE to be on the defensive all the time, lol.
    That shit may play in Vegas, but IMHO that is the exception rather than the rule. In many areas, at the very least you'll develop a bad rep quickly and there are some places where customers may take there frustrations out on a girl long before any help might arrive, if it ever does. A lot of girls just don't have the luxury of running bait and switch games, so it is important that they are careful in what and how they sell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    Good point. So why would a girl bitch and moan incessantly about not making money - and then get pissed when she is given good advice? And I'm sorry, but overcoming personal comfort zones is part of sales. You use the approach and the close that will net you money. That's how it works, and to be as successful as possible, you do it whether it makes you all warm and fuzzy or not.
    I agree that overcoming personal comfort zones is a part of sales, but selling your own tits, ass and faux affections is a damned sight different than trying to sell something inanimate object or impersonal service. If somebody refuses to buy your vacuum cleaner, it is far easier to swallow than when they reject you for something related to your body or attitude. It is much more personal, which makes overcoming the comfort zone issues that much more difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    Sales is sales is sales is sales. I hear ya. And a lot of girls are going to thank you and boo and hiss at me. But you're WRONG. Sure - I can't walk a mile in her heels. Fine. But I also don't need to. If I just heard your approach and your pitch and the entire convo with the guy next to me and it SUCKED and he was into you but you blew it anyway - I promise you that when I tell you how to go back and get him, I'm right. And a thousand other examples. The top girls, the real money makers, know sales. They get som good that their pitch barely changes from custie to custie. The objection handling does but the rest is a rote memorization that she can work drunk or sober or pissed off or happy or tired or stoned. Start small talk - direct it toward close. Discover objections - direct toward close. Trial close. Overcome objection, direct toward close. Trial close. And so on. Know why? Because that's how ANY top sales person works. No matter where.
    No, IMHO YOU are wrong, because you are trying to equate the selling of a girl's body and fake affections with the sales of inanimate objects and impersonal services. It just doesn't equate, due, IMHO, not only to the added pressures and difficulties faced by girls in this industry, but also due to the murky and aggressive nature of the buyers.

    Now I actually agree that some girls seem to do well and have great sales skills while others do not, and I too often cringe when I hear ungifted girls with hamfisted sales pitches that are sure to fail. But there is also a reason that the vast majority of girls bust out of this business in the first few months, which is that a lot of what it takes to tolerate abusive customers and to figure out what works cannot be taught. It is a matter of personal fortitude and strong interpersonal skills and either a dancer has them or she doesn't.

    And fwiw, I find the whole "handling objections" theory to be largely nonsense. One cannot sell ice cubes to Eskimos, regardless of what the sales pundits who peddle these "handling objections" theories espouse. We must tailor our products or services to meet the needs of our sales targets or we go hungry, period. And this, IMHO, is what the most successful long-term dancers do. Perhaps in Vegas, dancers have the luxury of adopting rote, one size fits all approaches. However, out here in the hinterlands, the most successful dancers learn to figure out what each guy is looking for and do their best, within their comfort zones and boundaries, to meet those needs. Many of these dancers rely upon regulars and other repeat business to fill their wallets, rather than gullible tourists, so that may have something to do with it.

    Anyway, just my two cents for whatever it might actually be worth.
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    Sales ability will really help a dancer, it is true. It would be very useful for so many dancers to read up on some of the basic skills--using the customers' names a lot, focusing the conversation on the customer and not on the latest crisis in her life, all the little closing tricks that do work in stripclubs (like "Hey I have to go onstage in 5 minutes and have to go get ready...unless you'd like to have a Champagne Room session with me now?".

    But it's not like selling anything else, either. So you both have a point.

    I have to laugh when I see people posting "It's just like any other job!" It's about as far removed from the 9-5 rat race jobs as you can get..
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    All that being said--it is a unique experience, I am sure, having customers trying to tell you how to sell dances better. And it surely must be irritating in its own special way.

    Just as having a dancer who has never set foot in a DJ booth trying to tell me how to do my job gets old fast in a very special way.

    One small example--I really hate it when they try to tell me I shouldn't play certain kinds of songs. You can try to explain that you also think the songs suck donkey balls--but the ones currently onstage will run to the owner screaming and trying to get you fired if you don't play their music. The 'Know it Alls' very rarely ever get it, or try to tell me it's not really a problem. Suuuure...
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    Told ya...they just have to validate themselves.

    Your a guy who sits in a stripclub.

    Get over your fucking self.

    This thread has me feeling a bit...jaded.


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    I am going to withdraw rather than reply, as JoJo set this up to vent not for a debate about sales techniques and methods, etc. I will only go on record as saying that advice from an experienced sales and marketing person is something a dancer can benefit from. One Rebecca Avalon and others like her wouldn't be so successful if I were wrong, LMAO. At it's core, their programs are [insert Zig Ziggler or your trainer of choice here]'s program tweaked a little for dancers and sprinkled with other industry-specific advice. And there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever, because it fucking works.

    EDIT - Djosur - i is certainly NOT like any other JOB, and I apologize to everyone reading if it sounded like I meant that! I in no way claim to know the ins and outs of much of the JOB. Of the issues and tribulations of teh JOB. Advice on presentation, approach, marketing, and closing are what I'm talking about. The only advice I can or would give about the JOB applies to the sales aspect of it - because THAT PART of the job is no different than selling anything else, no matter what anyone says. Everything about the situation and the circumstances might be unique - YES. But the sales PROCESS does not change, EVER. Tweak it, modify it, alter a step here or there to suit the individual pitch - that's part of teh process - but the ACTUAL SALES PROCESS is ALWAYS the same.

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    Yes, it's funny how it's always the customers who never spend money who are full of priceless wisdom on how to get money out of everyone else. Honestly, most of the time I've gotten advice from customers, it hasn't been bad - it's just that I don't particularly feel compelled to listen to/take advice from guys who "know how the game works" when they clearly don't, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to talk my ear off without tipping. And, of course, if you call them on this, they just chuckle at you like "aww, you're so cute and clever trying to get money out of me lolololol".... yeah, ok.... I'm gonna leave then, and if you want an audience for your great advice, go write a blog.

    The other thing that bugs me about customers ITC trying to "school me" is that they always want me to go "try out" the technique they just "taught me" on someone in front of them. Dude, I'm not your science experiment. This isn't classtime with a practical lab. If I really find value to what you're saying, I might give it a go on my own later, but don't interrupt my work time to try to get me to "practice" your priceless gems so you can give me a passing or failing grade and critique me some more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaniellaOHC View Post
    Told ya...they just have to validate themselves.

    Your a guy who sits in a stripclub.

    Get over your fucking self.

    This thread has me feeling a bit...jaded.
    Who are you talking to? I've worked in stripclubs 12 years. I very rarely try to tell dancers how they can improve their game, and only if they are newbies clearly a little lost.

    But we could move the thread to Stripping General. It's a better place to vent maybe than where guys can post replies.
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    AJ, I got that you weren't trying to say it was just another job.
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