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    Oh boy, okie dokie there Yoda... whatever ya say. You know I didn't realize I was running for political office but if I were I would want someone like you to pull up everything someone said as a statement about something completely different for a character reference. You didn't "call me out" you "demonized" my character which is flaming. Very interesting behavior for a moderator as most try to STOP flame wars rather than start them.

    I see that expressing my opinion was indeed more than this forum could handle and I will be sure to give the lite version of it from here on as long as I am allowed membership. Much like the rest of society, freedom of speech is welcome as long as it is politically correct.
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    Default Re: Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?

    Hot, IMHO you are confusing a spirited debate for flaming. As far as I can tell, all he is doing is questioning your purported concern for the mental health of dancers when you do things to them that are probably not conducive to their emotional well being.

    I post about various dicey activities with dancers all the time on this site, usually in the Strip Club Junkie (SCJ) forum, and those activities go a lot further than a little titty fondling and ass grabbing in a LD area. I just don't feel the need to come on here and try to justify what I do. When I meet a dancer who strikes my chord and I believe is a good p4p OTC target, I (politely and kindly) pursue it, not because I am entitled to anything but simply because I want it. And I'm not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on TV. If she shows up at my hotel, it is her choice and I can only assume that she is managing her emotional health.

    Now bringing it back for a second to the original topic, I believe that Kelly was dead on in saying that you prefer certain girls because they provide more value for your $$$. Fair enough, but IMHO you'd catch less static if you were just straightforward about it and didn't try to spin-doctor it so much. Now that doesn't mean that others around here, most notably dancers, wouldn't flame you for it, but those fires tend to be short-lived. Also, you might find a much more receptive audience for your diciest stuff in the SCJ forum.

    To be clear, I am not trying to flame you or chase you off, and neither is anyone else IMHO. In fact, as someone who also enjoys the Dallas clubs a great deal, I would actually like to see you stick around for a while and share your perspectives. I'm merely sharing my thoughts as to why you caught some static and how you might approach it moving forward. You can obviously take it or leave it as you see fit.

    Anyway, just my
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    You know, I often find that a lot of big critical guys are saying the older strippers, the bbws, and other fetish fitting girls are usually what you find in the dumpy bars that nobody would bother going to.

    Having ran a strip club review website at one point I went around to a lot of clubs, including the "trashy" ones where the BBW dancers, the Gilfs, and Milfs were accepted by the management as well as of course the B-Squad. I found that the door entry fee here was about 10-15 dollars higher for a BYOB all nude (which is a law here in Texas where I am from) and there was expensive parking, yet even still the club is always full. Is it me, or is everyone being a little over critical. I saw a thread on the girls only section that asked when it was time to retire, I think you can really press it because believe it or not there is always some guy out there with a granny fetish, or if a girl is big then some guys like big girls.

    Any thoughts? I was just curious how everyone felt about this from both perspectives. My opinion is that variety is the spice of life and too much of the same thing is vanilla so I welcome a little of it all if only for something different.
    There is a hat for every head. Atlanta has the Claremont Lounge, that appeals to guy looking for the BBW and flabby Gilf/Milf type. Its been around as long as I know. Everyone knows about it. Its not a huge place, but there is some type of market place for it. I suspect that there is some demand for it everywhere. I don't think that this is a major marketplace, but its a small segment. Now, where I live, the BBW/MILF/GILF market segment is the majority along with girls that were don't have all their teeth and some that I would pay to put their clothes back on and go away.

    I think the reason for people being critical is that guys like to joke with each other. Think about all the "fat girl jokes" that guys make fun of each other about. Its a punch line.

    For me, I don't mind if a girl is a little bigger as long as it is toned. We can't all win the genetic lottery. If she has a personality to go with it, that's even better. The girl with the personality tends to win my money over the barbie doll. If the girl looks good and has a personality, that's even better.
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    Well I am going to drop it. Even if this is a debate, I am a new poster, I am not trying to get heated with established members and the moderator. I will just have to tone down a few of my opinions in order to interact here and that's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    I see that expressing my opinion was indeed more than this forum could handle and I will be sure to give the lite version of it from here on as long as I am allowed membership. Much like the rest of society, freedom of speech is welcome as long as it is politically correct.
    Glad to see someone else step into the doodoo that I usually get in on this site. Don't worry with it, its all good. I don't agree with everyone else on this site, but there are little bits that you can learn from everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Now bringing it back for a second to the original topic, I believe that Kelly was dead on in saying that you prefer certain girls because they provide more value for your $$$. Fair enough, but IMHO you'd catch less static if you were just straightforward about it and didn't try to spin-doctor it so much. Now that doesn't mean that others around here, most notably dancers, wouldn't flame you for it, but those fires tend to be short-lived. Also, you might find a much more receptive audience for your diciest stuff in the SCJ forum.
    Bingo, there is a major nugget of truth right there! That's something we can all learn from. For example, I have my "type" that I like, I don't mind waiting for it in a club, I won't apologize for it anywhwere. I like a toned but thick girl with at least should length hair. Bolt-ons are a plus, but not required. I'm not typically a barbie doll type. If the girl has personality to go with it, then she's a keeper. I rarely share this with a dancer when she asks because I don't want to be thrown together with a 2nd dancer in some type of ackward meetup, but that's a different discussion.
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    -- Its always amazed me how no one learns the lines from Shakespeare. I guess it is true that people don't learn history's lessons until something become's their history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Now bringing it back for a second to the original topic, I believe that Kelly was dead on in saying that you prefer certain girls because they provide more value for your $$$. Fair enough, but IMHO you'd catch less static if you were just straightforward about it and didn't try to spin-doctor it so much. Now that doesn't mean that others around here, most notably dancers, wouldn't flame you for it, but those fires tend to be short-lived. Also, you might find a much more receptive audience for your diciest stuff in the SCJ forum.
    Bingo, there is a major nugget of truth right there! That's something we can all learn from. Don't hide your secrets, embrace them. If so, people can't use it against you. For example, I have my "type" that I like, I don't mind waiting for it in a club, I won't apologize for it anywhere. I like a toned but thick girl with at least shoulder length hair. Bolt-ons are a plus, but not required. I'm not typically a barbie doll type. If the girl has personality to go with it, then she's a keeper. I rarely share this with a dancer when she asks because I don't want to be thrown together with a 2nd dancer in some type of ackward meetup, but that's a different discussion.
    Have we not heard the chimes at midnight?

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    -- Its always amazed me how no one learns the lines from Shakespeare. I guess it is true that people don't learn history's lessons until something become's their history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    Well Yoda, I won't get into detail but my friend that was contextual to the thread it was involved in.

    I feel bad when strippers are strippers but really shouldn't be strippers because they want to be prudish Victorian ladies while making money showing off their naked bodies to lusty men and I am one of those lusty men taking full advantage of it. However if I work 70+ hours a week slaving away to make enough money to just have a couple hundred extra a month for a few lapdances, I want to touch some booty and boobies in the process because I slaved and sacrificed to make that happen. In fact, being a single guy, I might not even be able to pay next month's rent on time, at least I can have that small bit of happiness since I worked so hard for it. That's my point.
    A stripper can be prudish if she damn well pleases. Who are you to say what boundaries a girl should have?? Just because you CAN'T afford it, doesn't mean a girl should cut herself short just to please you. What in the fuck??? Guess what... we work hard too.

    Also, if you're not able to pay next month's rent then do yourself (& the strippers especially) a favor & don't go to a strip club. We don't like broke customers who want so much for so little. The fuck out of here with that shit.

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    I see that expressing my opinion was indeed more than this forum could handle and I will be sure to give the lite version of it from here on as long as I am allowed membership. Much like the rest of society, freedom of speech is welcome as long as it is politically correct.
    Yeah, ok, here we go. The second people don't like what you say, you start the whole "oh, I guess my opinion doesn't fit in here, this forum is so one-sided, you people can't handle differing opinions blah blah blah" pity-me-for-being-silenced speech, common of any member who says something controversial and then doesn't like the responses... You are perfectly entitled to your opinion. But guess what? So is everyone else here. If they don't like your viewpoint, they can state an opinion on that, and you can state back your opinion on their opinion, and so on and so forth. If you're really confident in your stance, you wouldn't need your feelings coddled by never having anyone disagree with your posts/opinions.

    If you're gonna run off and cry about how you aren't gonna post your true thoughts here anymore, you seem to be the one who can't handle differing opinions - not the other people here.
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    Okay I apologize, I overreacted to what was a friendly debate and difference of opinion and took it for a forum flaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    Okay I apologize, I overreacted to what was a friendly debate and difference of opinion and took it for a forum flaming.
    Several thoughts:
    • Admittedly, the whole forum is based on a touchy subject. Its easy to get mad over any part of the subject.
    • Computer rage is easy to get. There isn't a lot of human interaction here, so its hard to discuss things and way to easy to go overboard on a response. I do it, and I see others do it as well. Things that are said in person would be fine due to body language and other nonverbal communication ques. Typing is impersonal.
    • Honestly, people don't really know how to communicate with each other. I know I have pissed off CP, Yoda, Rick, and I am sure a ton of others. It typically isn't intentional from anyone. I know my jokes are stupid and juvenile. Unfortunately, people like to take things too literally. Its just human nature, why else do we have foxnews and msnbc.

    It happens to everyone. Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    A stripper can be prudish if she damn well pleases. Who are you to say what boundaries a girl should have?? Just because you CAN'T afford it, doesn't mean a girl should cut herself short just to please you. What in the fuck??? Guess what... we work hard too.

    Also, if you're not able to pay next month's rent then do yourself (& the strippers especially) a favor & don't go to a strip club. We don't like broke customers who want so much for so little. The fuck out of here with that shit.
    Agreed. Dancers have every right to set their own boundaries and have those boundaries honored and respected by a customer. I make it very clear what I am looking for fairly early on (not sex btw) and state that I am not going to insert my fingers into her. I don't do it in vip either. I find it takes her off edge and makes things much more enjoyable for all concerned. The last thing I want is a girl faking that she is having a good time and it being fairly obvious that she isn't. That brings me down as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    Oh boy, okie dokie there Yoda... whatever ya say. You know I didn't realize I was running for political office but if I were I would want someone like you to pull up everything someone said as a statement about something completely different for a character reference. You didn't "call me out" you "demonized" my character which is flaming. Very interesting behavior for a moderator as most try to STOP flame wars rather than start them.
    You can't really be naive enough to think that no one is going to remember your opinions can you? As you mentioned, I'm a mod and that means I have read every post in CC. I "demonized" your character by pointing out your own words? Seems to me that if you feel demonized by your very own words a little self-examination may be in order. Yes, I'm a mod. That doesn't mean that I give up my right to participate here and have an opinion. Don't worry, when I se a flame war I'll stop it.

    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    I see that expressing my opinion was indeed more than this forum could handle and I will be sure to give the lite version of it from here on as long as I am allowed membership. Much like the rest of society, freedom of speech is welcome as long as it is politically correct.
    More than we could handle? If by that you mean that we didn't agree with you I guess you may be right but I don't see it that way. No one has restricted your freedom of speech here....yet. If you have a hair across your ass about your civil rights this is not the place to try and get it out of your system. This is a privately owned site and there is no guarantee of freedom of speech promised or implied. That little fact aside, Neither of the mods here have deleted or changed a single post of yours so where exactly is the problem with you're theoretical right to freedom of speech being violated? You can post anything you like as long as it doesn't violate forum rules but that doesn't mean that we have to agree with you or the opinions you express. If you want to go start a blog somewhere feel free but if you post here we all get to respond as we see fit.
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    You can't really be naive enough to think that no one is going to remember your opinions can you? As you mentioned, I'm a mod and that means I have read every post in CC. I "demonized" your character by pointing out your own words? Seems to me that if you feel demonized by your very own words a little self-examination may be in order. Yes, I'm a mod. That doesn't mean that I give up my right to participate here and have an opinion. Don't worry, when I se a flame war I'll stop it.
    Well you can be demonized by quote mining from other threads. You are the boss Yoda and I very much respect that, but what I was talking about here was not suggesting I am in any way a saint. I was trying to point out that I have a problem with women feeling undignified in any sexual business and perhaps I should have elaborated it is in my opinion a problem with our culture where they are called harmful names for doing sexual things.

    We went off to the topic of how I like to touch hips, ass, tits (when they let me) during dances. The problem with mining a quote from another thread is that it was not contextual to caring about a woman feeling undignified in her job altogether, you just pointed out that I contribute to their indignity. Okay so if I do, I don't care, I long for a day when we live in a culture where people aren't so sexually repressed.

    One topic was discussing indignity of women in the industry because someone felt a woman shouldn't feel she HAS to dance at an older age. I suggested that nobody should feel undignified and I feel sorry for people who do. You came back with a quote from another thread that pointed out where I apparently destroy the very last traces of their dignity sending them into emotional turmoil forever and ever basically lol (blown out of proportion deliberately). Point is, they were talking about two things and one just targeted my character and suggested that I am not qualified to talk about defending their dignity. Well if you feel that way, fine, I respect your opinion but I definitely long for a time where we get over our social chastisement.

    So I responded to the ongoing disagreement by most of the people here by saying that I felt my free speech was not wanted. Mainly because it became several against one and even a moderator, I felt nervous about whether I was going to get a ban over expressing the opinion or being too dramatic basically.

    I apologized for taking it out of proportion and what else do you want me to do now? Beg forgiveness or can we simply move on?
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    Well you can be demonized by quote mining from other threads. You are the boss Yoda and I very much respect that, but what I was talking about here was not suggesting I am in any way a saint. I was trying to point out that I have a problem with women feeling undignified in any sexual business and perhaps I should have elaborated it is in my opinion a problem with our culture where they are called harmful names for doing sexual things.
    We went off to the topic of how I like to touch hips, ass, tits (when they let me) during dances. The problem with mining a quote from another thread is that it was not contextual to caring about a woman feeling undignified in her job altogether, you just pointed out that I contribute to their indignity. Okay so if I do, I don't care, I long for a day when we live in a culture where people aren't so sexually repressed.
    Lets be clear about something. I never said a word about you or any other customer contributing to a dancer's "indignity". Someone else may have, I did not. My personal feeling on that particular topic is that a dancer's dignity and self-respect are her's to preserve and protect. You don't have the power to take those virtues away. No customer does.

    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    One topic was discussing indignity of women in the industry because someone felt a woman shouldn't feel she HAS to dance at an older age. I suggested that nobody should feel undignified and I feel sorry for people who do. You came back with a quote from another thread that pointed out where I apparently destroy the very last traces of their dignity sending them into emotional turmoil forever and ever basically lol (blown out of proportion deliberately). Point is, they were talking about two things and one just targeted my character and suggested that I am not qualified to talk about defending their dignity. Well if you feel that way, fine, I respect your opinion but I definitely long for a time where we get over our social chastisement.
    Your reaching hote. I really can't help it if my causing you to read your own words in print bugs you as much as it appeared to. It's going to happen a lot around here though, I can pretty much guarantee you of that. You are also overreacting to what I was trying to point out by contrasting your two posts. Simply put, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    So I responded to the ongoing disagreement by most of the people here by saying that I felt my free speech was not wanted. Mainly because it became several against one and even a moderator, I felt nervous about whether I was going to get a ban over expressing the opinion or being too dramatic basically.
    Well, you said it was being violated, that's a bit different than it being "not wanted". Also, I'm on a lot of boards hote and I don't see the mods laying back on any of them. I've been here for ten years and been a mod for about six months. My opinions didn't get put on hold the day I accepted the job. If you spend enough time reading around the site you will see that all of the mods here are very active in the discussions and very opinionated.

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    I apologized for taking it out of proportion and what else do you want me to do now? Beg forgiveness or can we simply move on?
    Honestly hote I don't want you to do anything. Just keep on posting if you feel like it but keep in mind that there is no welcome wagon here and we don't pussyfoot around our feelings and opinions. This isn't a review board, It's dancer support site and the customers that last here long term understand that. We wear our big boy pants here and you should expect to be challenged when people don't agree with you. Beg forgiveness? Trust me I'm not shy. If you were going to be moderated, warned, pointed or banned it already would have happened. Customer Convo exists, in theory, as the board where customers can ask questions of the dancers. SW is, after all, their site. Arguing is what we do here. Name-calling is not allowed but spirited debate is encouraged. As long as you don't attack the dancers it's all fair game. By the same token, as rick said, arguing an opinion is not the same thing as flaming.
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    Well then bring the pain guys because I love to debate and as long as I don't get a foot in the backside i'll be glad to give it to you how I see it and keep arguing the point should I need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotexoticdw View Post
    Well then bring the pain guys because I love to debate and as long as I don't get a foot in the backside i'll be glad to give it to you how I see it and keep arguing the point should I need to.
    Inserting my stilleto in your backside now

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    Very Kinky! Sounds like the makings of a pretty good Dominatrix to me
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    Very Kinky! Sounds like the makings of a pretty good Dominatrix to me
    I guess any attention is good attention, therefore this is where I check out of this thread (yawn)

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    Well you can be demonized by quote mining from other threads.
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    So I responded to the ongoing disagreement by most of the people here by saying that I felt my free speech was not wanted. Mainly because it became several against one and even a moderator, I felt nervous about whether I was going to get a ban over expressing the opinion or being too dramatic basically.
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    I apologized for taking it out of proportion and what else do you want me to do now? Beg forgiveness or can we simply move on?
    LOL. Relax already dude, it is just an anonymous Internet discussion board.

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    One topic was discussing indignity of women in the industry because someone felt a woman shouldn't feel she HAS to dance at an older age. I suggested that nobody should feel undignified and I feel sorry for people who do. You came back with a quote from another thread that pointed out where I apparently destroy the very last traces of their dignity sending them into emotional turmoil forever and ever basically lol (blown out of proportion deliberately). Point is, they were talking about two things and one just targeted my character and suggested that I am not qualified to talk about defending their dignity. Well if you feel that way, fine, I respect your opinion but I definitely long for a time where we get over our social chastisement.
    You've made multiple comments where you've blamed societal repression for the negative feelings that some dancers may have about their jobs. Now I'm no sociologist, but I cannot think of a single culture in which large percentages of women are likely to be eager to be groped and fondled by complete strangers, including guys 2 and even 3 times their ages.

    You seem to need to believe that these girls like what you are doing to them or at least ok with it. The reality is that many of them probably dislike you and hate what you are doing to them. In fact, there are multiple discussion threads on here with dancers and ex-dancers stating that they cannot even stand their boyfriends and husbands touching them anymore because of the psychological fallout from guys groping and grabbing them in the clubs.

    The girls that work in higher contact clubs, and those who do other things as well, are often making hard choices in order to earn more money to pay their bills and many of these dancers are single mothers with kids to provide for. That is the hardcore reality of the situation.

    Hote, if you want to hold on to the PL fantasy where the girls love, or should love, what they do and love having you touch them, then that is your call. But then you may want to reconsider whether spending a lot of time on a dancer support site is right for you. This place will burst a lot of bubbles for you.

    Anyway, just my
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    The girls that work in higher contact clubs, and those who do other things as well, are often making hard choices in order to earn more money to pay their bills and many of these dancers are single mothers with kids to provide for. That is the hardcore reality of the situation.
    There isn't one cookie cutter person of either sex that everybody fits the mold of. I still believe there are girls who don't mind or even like to be given the attention by MOST guys, maybe not all and you won't burst my bubble you just won't convince me. There may be some genuinely who have problems and some who do not, I don't think someone who is going to be traumatized for life for being groped should be running around naked, grinding dudes laps, and getting fondled all day. That's not healthy from any mental health standpoint. The complex probably started for many of said women from the stigmas associated with sexuality, being called a hoe or slut all the time for example by other women.

    I agree with you Rick, probably OFTEN making these tough choices they wouldn't otherwise make. I hope the job market expands so girls like that aren't strippers at all anymore.
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    Hote, listen to Rick he's on the mark. Speaking as a woman, not a dancer I hate when men I have no attachment to touch me. I really don't know any women who like this either. I didn't have to deal with a lot of what other dancers did because I danced in a different era but still had men try to grope me at parties. Why you would think women would enjoy strange men touching them is beyond me. Would you like it if a random woman came up to you and touched you? probably not.

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    Would you like it if a random woman came up to you and touched you? probably not.
    See Kelly and that's my point, we aren't cookie cutter molds of each other. We all have different likes, I would LOVE a random woman to come grope me, I would absolutely enjoy it without question and you could line up every woman from here to the other side of the continent to take turns with a few exceptions maybe and anyone who was sick/contagious. I also know girls who are like me, but many aren't, many don't like it but don't care, so many different people in this world and far too many to just generalize.

    I respect you don't like it though, I just think that had you worked in a full contact club you would have been pretty miserable every day and you probably would have done better to work in -ANY- job rather than that if you are especially sensitive about it.
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    There isn't one cookie cutter person of either sex that everybody fits the mold of. I still believe there are girls who don't mind or even like to be given the attention by MOST guys, maybe not all and you won't burst my bubble you just won't convince me. There may be some genuinely who have problems and some who do not, I don't think someone who is going to be traumatized for life for being groped should be running around naked, grinding dudes laps, and getting fondled all day. That's not healthy from any mental health standpoint. The complex probably started for many of said women from the stigmas associated with sexuality, being called a hoe or slut all the time for example by other women.
    Wow dude. Now I agree that there are people of all types out there and maybe even some girls who genuinely like being manhandled by lots of strange guys. But how many of these girls do you really think exist? Idk dude, but I am really starting to believe that your fantasies are overriding your common sense.

    And how do you know what the underlying psychology is? Like I said before, I don't know of any culture where it is considered normal for a woman to be exposed to those conditions and I suspect that neither do you. So are you contending that cultures all over the world are sexually repressing their women? Now I'm not claiming any greater understanding than you have of the psychological elements involved, but your rationale really doesn't make much sense. If anything, IMHO most dancers who are able to tolerate this treatment do so by overriding their natural self-protective instincts. Now I'm obviously not a woman and I could be dead wrong, but it makes a lot more sense than the belief that you are clinging to so desperately, no doubt since it buttresses your eager, nympho stripper-hoe fantasy.

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    I agree with you Rick, probably OFTEN making these tough choices they wouldn't otherwise make. I hope the job market expands so girls like that aren't strippers at all anymore.
    If girls who did not love the job and all the contact that it entails actually stopped stripping, whole clubs in some of the highest contact areas in the U.S. would probably empty out - LOL.

    Now I really am punching out of this thread. I can't believe that we are even having this conversation and my patience has hit its limit.

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    Fantasies? Nah, I just have a particular rule about life that I follow, I don't believe many things work in absolutes and there are varying degrees to which most things occur. You may be right that the vast majority in most places absolutely hate being touched, grabbed, groped and we wouldn't have a single club in town with a girl in it if they didn't surrender their dignity. I think the underlying reason (which I think can be changed by a major paradigm shift and it will occur) women feel like this is somewhat evolutionary but probably also stems from cultural stigma (which exists worldwide) as a monogamous family oriented system allowed for greater survival and the Gods/Goddesses punished the sexual people with pestilence. There is likely an archaic reason which goes beyond psychology into the very biology of most females which makes them feel defensive but if we just selectively gene pool strippers we can have this trait removed and a grope friendly defense system as a dominant gene structure in just a few generations anyway. Either that or the strippers will be replaced by Japanese androids, we still seem to be a good 30 years off from that though.

    Now I really am punching out of this thread. I can't believe that we are even having this conversation and my patience has hit its limit.
    Cool, well it has been a fun conversation.
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