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    I'm reading about the impact of feminist and women's rights organizations in Europe, Australia and the UK on the sex industry and am curious of how influential some of these organizations actually are. Iceland passed a national law banning strip clubs and any business that "profits from the nudity of its employees" about two years ago. Organizations like CATWA (Australia) and OBJECT (Britain) are pretty aggressively pursuing anti-strip club legislation, but I have no idea how influential they actually are. Like how much the public really supports them, or if they have really powerful lobbyist or something. The main orgs here are NOW and NCWO, but I wouldn't say either one is that influential. Do any overseas dancers or industry workers have any input or experiences with some of these organizations? Are people in general more anti-sex industry in England, Europe, Australia, etc. than in the United States?

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    Having never been to the US I can't really compare attitudes towards the sex industry. In Australia there has been no discussion of banning strip clubs, and prostitution is legal in some states.

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    I think that UK/Europe has more liberal attitude towards strip clubs for example clubs are located downtown with other bars not on some highway at the edge of the city. Also there are not any stupid laws about alcohol and nudity.Prostitution is legal lot of European countries. The only country i have worked in (out of 18 ) which i have seen anti strip club "feminists" was in Norway where some of these protesters set my bosses car on fire.Anyway it worked out well as it was on the news and gave the club a lot of free publicity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy2 View Post
    Having never been to the US I can't really compare attitudes towards the sex industry. In Australia there has been no discussion of banning strip clubs, and prostitution is legal in some states.
    That's interesting. The organization CATWA said it does the majority of its work in Melbourne and Victoria, since that's where they've seen the most growth in adult-oriented businesses. I'm completely unfamiliar with strip club laws in Australia, and couldn't find much info online. I did come across this article that said Melbourne may revoke liquor licenses from businesses "offering nudity and sex/sexually explicit entertainment" - but the article is from four years ago and I have no idea what happened with that. Here's the only other article I could find: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/int...p-clubs/169016

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    Quote Originally Posted by britchick85 View Post
    I think that UK/Europe has more liberal attitude towards strip clubs for example clubs are located downtown with other bars not on some highway at the edge of the city. Also there are not any stupid laws about alcohol and nudity.Prostitution is legal lot of European countries. The only country i have worked in (out of 18 ) which i have seen anti strip club "feminists" was in Norway where some of these protesters set my bosses car on fire.Anyway it worked out well as it was on the news and gave the club a lot of free publicity
    Do you know anything about the new licensing laws mentioned in this Metro UK article? All it said was that strip clubs would have the same licensing requirements as other sex industry businesses. And that's from 2010, so I don't even know if these laws passed.

    There are other articles from the Daily Mail and The Sun about how different councils across England are passing legislation that refuse new applications for lap dancing venues and forcing other strip clubs to close. I think they're trying to remove strip clubs out of residential areas or any areas near schools or churches - similar to how zoning laws work in the U.S. BBC makes is sound like strip clubs are on there way out the door.

    I've never been to Britain and I have no idea if British media outlets are blowing this out of proportion or not. I agree with you that Europe and the UK have a more liberal attitude toward sex, nudity, and the like. People from California, in general, are more socially liberal than the rest of the United States (or as they would say, "progressive"). The problem I see, from my experience, is that there's no consensus on what defines a "progressive" outlook on strip clubs and adult entertainment businesses. There are people who call themselves progressive who think strip clubs are a legitimate business like any other and that women should have the right to choose to "sell" their body, and there are people who call themselves progressive who think strip clubs cause more harm than benefit to society. Most "anti-strip club feminists" identify as liberal.

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    I havn't heard any talk about it here in Denmark. There is and has been for a long time some discussion about banning prostitution, but nothing happened yet. Strip clubs are not as common here as in the US anyway those we have are somewhat different, maybe they are just getting overlooked so far.

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    Australia is much much more sex industry friendly than the states. Ive never heard of these organisations. Melbourne in Victoria has at least 7 huge stripclubs and a population of only around 4 million. In sydney in NSW its completely legal to sell yourself on the street as long as its not in front of a church, school or dwelling. Both Melb and Syd have legal rub and tugs and brothels everywhere. This is one of the classier brothels in sydney http://stiletto-brothel.com.au/sydney/ ... theres tons of escort agencies. Just google Kings Cross Sydney theres tons of strip clubs, brothels, sex shops, rub and tugs. There is much less stigma from what I can tell because stripping is stripping and escorting is escorting. Liquor licenses are very strict and much less illegal activity happens in the clubs here. The sex industry here is never gonna leave.

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    This shows you how much I know about Australia: I had no idea Melbourne was actually a city in Victoria until you said that. I thought they were both two states in Australia.....


    There is much less stigma from what I can tell because stripping is stripping and escorting is escorting.
    I can see that, since many of the arguments I've heard against SCs is that they're basically fronts for brothels. Now, when I hear that, I don't know if that means people are fine with strip clubs and just don't like that there are extras (sometimes) in the VIP/champagne rooms, or if they just hate strip clubs and use that as another excuse to why they're terrible.

    Anyway, there is some truth to that. There are certain clubs on Bourbon that have become known as "extras clubs" where prostitution-like services are common and not really kept a secret. But there are those that don't tolerate it even a little bit. It depends on the club, the area, and - most importantly - the dancer.

    Are brothels and escort agencies viewed differently than strip clubs in Australia in regards to public acceptance?


    BTW, that brothel you posted has an incredible website. Strip clubs in the U.S. are notorious for having shitty, non-functional websites (if they have one at all). Overall, they just suck at promoting themselves.

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    ^ I don't know if brothels and escort agencies are more or less accepted but they are part of life here. They are everywhere and are busy. So they are accepted obviously by the men who go to them. In my experience people don't really care because if you don't like it then simply don't go there or live near them. Business websites in general are way better here. I not know why but most US and Canadian websites are shit.

    This is a somewhat dive club (not the worst but it's in kings cross) http://www.badabingnightspot.com.au/index.php

    A more upmarket group of clubs in Sydney http://sydneytabledancingclubs.com.a.../mens-gallery/

    Escort agency I know some of the girls who work there http://www.monalisamodels.com.au/

    Kinda crappy site but this is an upmarket rub and tug http://www.blissoncrown.com.au/main.htm

    Having lived in Canada and visited the states and lived here for 7 years, I think Australians are more liberal in general about sex. I even noticed things like PDAs are more accepted. I think the culture here is more European influenced and less religion focused.

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    You weren't kidding about that dive club. It triggered my anti-virus software as soon as I clicked the link (seriously).

    I don't know why the sex industry receives so much backlash in the United States. Even in the more secular states (mainly West Coast states), sex workers and customers of adult-oriented businesses are judged and viewed unfavorably. Maybe it's because some of the most visible people in the sex industry here are just absolute scumbags (Larry Flynt, Joe Francis, the guy who started the 'Is Anyone Up?' site, etc.) and people paint everyone in the industry as being that way. I dunno.

    Also, it's kinda ironic but the "Bible belt" states here tend to have the most strip clubs per capita.

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