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    I hate people who come in for 1-2 min sessions and give me a negative mark for no apparent reason. It is always the 1-2 min beggars who seem to be giving the most negative reviews on SM. It is not fair to the real users of SM, who make up the bulk of the profits, that such a system exists where beggars and abusive members get to trash a girls reputation for a few CENTS. I work hard for my money and all the long privates give me a great score. I even have had people who tip me 1$ gold just to trash my rep and give me a low score because I would not do something in free or would not call him "Daddy"...

    My humble suggestion: Only regular customers or 10+min privates get to leave a comment and "Rate" the model. No girl can give a stunning 1-2 min show, so there should not be an option to rate "beggar masturbation sessions". A 200$ private session rating and a 1$ beggar rating hold the same weight on SM as things stand now. This is completely unfair.

    If we all e-mail SM and ask them to consider a fair grading system that does not give idiots, other studio admins, jelaous models and abusive customers a cheap way of ruining our reputation for literally CENTS. It is not in SM-s interest to have such an easy loophole for attacks on models and it is not in the interest of the customers that it can so easily be manipulated. It is also unfair to us models that we can be blackmailed to "show ass now bb or i give you a negative score". We should kindly ask SM to consider it may just work. There are 100-s of SM girls here and its only one e-mail.

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    Default Re: What do you guys say we all e-mail SM and ask them to change the rating system?

    Good idea. Support will remove some of the low ones if you email them and explain why.

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    1-2 minute sessions are going to happen, that's just how it is.... I get lots of good ratings off of 1-2 minute sessions. Sometimes the guy only wanted a peek, and if he liked it he rated good for it. I don't see a problem with this. Going back in my stats I haven't had anything below a 4 star in the last 90 days.... and I've had countless 1-2 minute privates.

    Also, you cannot rate a tip on SM, or a gold show pledge... so if a guy is tipping you in free chat or joining a gold show, he is not able to rate or comment on your profile. Only guys who have taken you private or exclusive can comment or rate.

    I don't think emailing SM about it will do any good. Sorry. :-/
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    Me no likey. If there would be a change like this 3 minutes was enaugh. Maybe it's just me, but the 10minutes+ shows are on the rarer side for me (ofc not with the regulars but with the random men) I'd pull my hair out if I could get hardly any ratings cause of it.

    I think if you genarally put on good shows and don't stall too obviously these assholes are not enaugh for ruining your reputation.
    I might be just lucky but I don't really get these, I only got one 1* from an idiot like this, the rest of the rude cheapasses either leave in 30 seconds, or leave in 2 minutes, but after the "magical 30 seconds" is over I show some interesting things, so they don't feel like giving me one star. I'm not saying that I'm on my back dildoing myself in 90 seconds, but I'm like oooo what a nice ass I have, mmm let's see the tits, oooo we don't need the panties right? yummy what a landing strip big boy, you'd like to land here? how do you want meeeee? if someone is really demanding I show the toy in my hand and shits like this, so generally they cannot complain.

    You have to experiment what works for you, ^^this works for me, but some girls take 3-4 mintes to strip at all, and I believe someone wrote here if she isn't naked in 2 minutes dildoing herself, then guys leave etc. I personally couldn't imagine stripping for 3-4 minutes it's not my style if I started it I'd get plenty of 1 stars I bet, for obvious stalling. I just couldn't work it properly and I couldn't blame it on the guys lol

    SS everything, as Gracie said, they will remove the rating if you're right or you can SS and report the blackmailing too. I contact the support regularly I email them like a ten year old with smiley thank you please yadayada and they've been helpful/thankful (depends on the situation) so far.

    All in all something like 3 minutes wouldn't be a really stupid idea, or 10 dollars sent or something, but I don't think it will be changed no matter if we email or not. So we have to work with what we have.
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    1-2 minute sessions are going to happen, that's just how it is.... I get lots of good ratings off of 1-2 minute sessions. Sometimes the guy only wanted a peek, and if he liked it he rated good for it. I don't see a problem with this. Going back in my stats I haven't had anything below a 4 star in the last 90 days.... and I've had countless 1-2 minute privates.

    Also, you cannot rate a tip on SM, or a gold show pledge... so if a guy is tipping you in free chat or joining a gold show, he is not able to rate or comment on your profile. Only guys who have taken you private or exclusive can comment or rate.

    I don't think emailing SM about it will do any good. Sorry. :-/
    Yes you can rate by giving gold. You can basically ruin a good rep for a 1 dollar tip.

    As for the rest I think it is unfair that a 1 minute creep can leave a comment at all, also that his comment carries the same weight as a 200-300$ customer. Granted that you can get lots of good reviews from 1 min shows but the potential to abuse and blackmail for 30 cents to the model is wide open.

    Another guy entered in pvt and just stood there and typed nothing and said nothing. He exited the room after 3 minutes and gave me a 1 and then he went back in and stood there again for another few minutes and even though I tried to communicate with him he just went out and gave me another 1. WTF?

    If they want to ruin our rep I feel that it should cost them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by comstar View Post
    Yes you can rate by giving gold. You can basically ruin a good rep for a 1 dollar tip.

    As for the rest I think it is unfair that a 1 minute creep can leave a comment at all, also that his comment carries the same weight as a 200-300$ customer. Granted that you can get lots of good reviews from 1 min shows but the potential to abuse and blackmail for 30 cents to the model is wide open.

    Another guy entered in pvt and just stood there and typed nothing and said nothing. He exited the room after 3 minutes and gave me a 1 and then he went back in and stood there again for another few minutes and even though I tried to communicate with him he just went out and gave me another 1. WTF?

    If they want to ruin our rep I feel that it should cost them....
    I'm going to have to confirm with SM that you can rate tips.... I've tipped girls and have never been given the option to rate my tip.

    About what you described - are you sure he wasn't have some kind of tech issue? Maybe he was unable to see your stream and was spending some time trying to figure out how to get it to show?

    Either way, I know that the rating system can be abused but if you are putting on a good show it won't damage your overall rating or reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    I'm going to have to confirm with SM that you can rate tips.... I've tipped girls and have never been given the option to rate my tip.

    About what you described - are you sure he wasn't have some kind of tech issue? Maybe he was unable to see your stream and was spending some time trying to figure out how to get it to show?

    Either way, I know that the rating system can be abused but if you are putting on a good show it won't damage your overall rating.
    Our studio admin showed me several times that I was tipped with a good or bad review for as low as 1$. It is in the my earnings page and when you click on the customer then a pop up window appears and then you click on sessions and you will see that both gold and shows can be rated.

    The other guy did not type a single letter nor did he react to anything. He just sat there, gave a bad mark, came back, gave another bad mark and went away...that 2 bad marks for a few bucks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by comstar View Post
    Our studio admin showed me several times that I was tipped with a good or bad review for as low as 1$. It is in the my earnings page and when you click on the customer then a pop up window appears and then you click on sessions and you will see that both gold and shows can be rated.

    The other guy did not type a single letter nor did he react to anything. He just sat there, gave a bad mark, came back, gave another bad mark and went away...that 2 bad marks for a few bucks...
    I just don't' see the motivation, why would a guy spend 3 minutes in private twice just so he could rate you low? Maybe he didn't like your show? If he simply wanted to leave you a bad rating then he would have just tipped you as low as possible to do so - if in fact tips can be rated, which if they can it must be very new...

    I realize you are very new to SM so the ratings are particularly important to you.... but even still... like I said, if you are putting on a good show the "rating system abusers" will not be able to lower your rating to the point of hurting your placement or reputation.
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    I am really not obsessed with rating! You don't need a 5 star rating to make money! I'm okay with my 4 1/2 star!
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    I am with u OP, there are people (jelous models, studio admins, haters, trolls) who join pvt's just to rate bad and ruin other performers business, they want for themselves a better ranking. Looks like system wont change, i was complaining many times about it myself and nothing happens, i think SM wants us to work hard and put up good shows in order to get good ratings so that's the reason they allow bad rating to occur even on very short shows. That's indeed a manipulative technique; oh well

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    i know this is going to sound a bit rude (sorry) but i think you got to ask yourself why you are attracting so many arseholes who do this. clearly not everyone is, so there must be something to it.

    find a different site if you're not happy with the process that streammate sue, alternatively i see enough ppl moaning about the major cam sites, i dont know why all those on sw dont get together and launch there own cam site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtybekie View Post
    i know this is going to sound a bit rude (sorry) but i think you got to ask yourself why you are attracting so many arseholes who do this. clearly not everyone is, so there must be something to it.

    find a different site if you're not happy with the process that streammate sue, alternatively i see enough ppl moaning about the major cam sites, i dont know why all those on sw dont get together and launch there own cam site.
    You right, ur comment is indeed kinda rude, it's not her attracting assholes, it's assholes picking on her cause she is new and these people pick on vulnerable performers, once they see u got a thick skin and do not play their games they leave u and go for "fresh meat", they do this to many models cause that's the way they feed their crazy needs. SM has it's weak points, users abuse the system especially rating system, they enter rooms, place some nasty comments and leave cowardly the very same second after they hit Enter key, there is no way to trace their ip's/ identity or block afterwards, members can change usernames as often as they want and they continue to troll models, we believe there are many people doing it cause we see their different screen names but in fact could be just a few doing it actually. Why she should find another site if business is good for her on SM? Even things are not perfect SM is my home site for soo many reasons, doesent mean if i complain about a site i have to leave the place, i complain with the hope to get things changed if other models feel the same about an issue they experience too, hope site admins will read these things and re-think their site management.

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    Yes totally!! I was in the middle of a private show on sm when this guy came in saying ''I want milk, show me milk!!'' (i am lactating) and I politely said ''i will be finished soon and I can show you when I'm done'' slams door and 1 star rating, dick head!! Not really fair as I didn't even give him a show, why can't we rate customers?? (never gonna happen I know)

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    The bad reviews have nothing to do with my show. One guy came in and asked me to stand naked in front of the window and flash my neighbors, i refused, so I got a bad review for a 40 second private. If I count all the negative remarks and how much money it cost the abusers it does not add up to 10$ total or 3.5$ to me. I am a new girl and the bad reps ruin my traffic a lot. Angry assholes and other models/admins CAN ruin new girls and it does happen. It does poison the well we all drink from whether you feel it directly or not.

    We e-mailed SM but they removed only 1 out of 5 abusive reviews. Our studio admin showed me on the same panel where earnings are reported that the same user visited 3 other girls in our studio and did the same thing. Every single girl in our studio has been subjected to blackmail and malicious reviews from several people regardless of her show and performance. It totals to more than 1 abusive review per day per girl in our studio. It is a realistic problem for us. Complaining to SM as one girl or studio does not really yield much results but if we complained as a group maybe this would bring some positive changes to our workplace. If you send out just one e-mail to SM it will not cost you anything but could mean something in the long run to how you will be treated.

    If you do not get abusive reviews then good for you, but this does not mean other girls do not. It also does not mean it will not spread to you eventually...

    I'm not trying to start an argument this is more of a matter of fact kind of reply. All the best to all of you in any case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by comstar View Post
    Our studio admin showed me on the same panel where earnings are reported that the same user visited 3 other girls in our studio and did the same thing. Every single girl in our studio has been subjected to blackmail and malicious reviews from several people regardless of her show and performance. It totals to more than 1 abusive review per day per girl in our studio. It is a realistic problem for us.
    What studio are you in?

    If the same guy is going around to models who are all in the same studio.... sounds like this guy may have an issue with the studio...?

    This is a good read: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...avoid-studios)
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    i feel ya comstar, i cant get my rating past 4.5 stars and as soon as i get my stars back up to 5 again, some dickwad comes in and leaves a 1 star for less than a min show. it pisses me off too. the rating system DOES effect us to a certain extent. i even had a guy tell me that he refused to take me prvt cuz i didnt have the perfect 5 star rating, even tho i am getting 5 star reviews constantly. i feel like ppl are trying to sabotage me too and i aint even new anymore. yes ppl CAN rate for tips too, i got 1 star ratings for 1 gold tip just they can trash me. everytime i asked sm to remove the unjustified bad rating, they dont do anything about it.

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    I just dont get how you can be "blackmailed" unless your giving out personal info, or something equally dangerous/stupid on your part... Its your room, guy rates you bad contact SM, if they say no the first time email again, there support is famous for being disjointed and retarted.
    But my main issue is this overzealous use of the term "blackmail" kinda irks me, no offense to the OP, gals are using it in camming all the time. You can only get blackmailed if you allow it 95% of the time on the internet, give out your personal info, your fault. Let a guy make you feel bad with ratings and try to demand stuff, your fault. Just ban his ass the instant he comes back. done and done. You the model have all the control in your camming world, its your room, so use your power! People can only control you if you allow it, so dont allow it!
    And seriously i use the just keep bugging SM support tactic all the time, usually they do what ya want after a few no's.
    Sorry if i got a lil off topic ^^; And goodluck with the ratings business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comstar View Post
    Our studio admin showed me several times that I was tipped with a good or bad review for as low as 1$. It is in the my earnings page and when you click on the customer then a pop up window appears and then you click on sessions and you will see that both gold and shows can be rated.

    The other guy did not type a single letter nor did he react to anything. He just sat there, gave a bad mark, came back, gave another bad mark and went away...that 2 bad marks for a few bucks...
    A person can not rate a model off a tip. They must spend private time. Log in and tip a lady, IF YOU CAN RATE HER by tipping her which site are you logging in? That can be a software for that sight that is a sight under SM. Please let me know, I know there are sights that let you leave horrible comments with out spending a dime and models see those sights as "ok this is what bitter models think of me" We read the stupid comments , laugh, brush it off and go back to streaming.

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    Yep, I'm gonna weigh in on this one. I've been on the site for quite a while and I've never been rated on a tip. I've had many guys tip me and then not get what they want (because I don't flash for tips), so I would've had a bad rating by now.

    It's actually a misconception and probably a common one. I'll explain why. If you have a customer in private who both gives you gold and gives you a bad rating, it shows up on his profile twice (yes, I've had this happen before).

    Ex:

    Date Type Earned Rating Comments
    8/12/12 GOLD $1.75 1 --
    8/12/12 Premium $1.40 1 --

    Even though it shows up on the profile twice, I can absolutely with 100% certainty tell you that only one of those ratings counts toward your overall rating. I've done the math before. (You can add up all your ratings and divide by total ratings to get your average.) Only one of these ratings counts.

    I can tell you that you will not see a rating on a tip that was given in free chat, and you will not see a rating on a gold show tip. Go back and check your profile.

    Also, it's not possible to get more than one (same) rating from a customer in the same day. So if a customer gives you a 5 star, then leaves and comes back and gives you another 5 star, only one counts toward your average. This is a relatively new thing. Believe me, I've done the math. I had several customers give me multiple 5 star ratings in one day and only one counted toward the total. That's SM's way of preventing models from falsely boosting their own ratings. So if some asshole wants to keep coming back and staying long enough to give you a 1 star, let him do it until his little finger gets tired of pushing buttons, take his money, then ban the fucker so he can't come back the next day (because the next day the first rating will count.)

    Please check your math. I know you're frustrated. I often get very frustrated by the rating system. But you seem to be misinformed by your studio owner about the way the rating system works. Yes, I agree it's unfair that someone in a show under a minute can rate us, and I think they should change that. But the majority of my positive ratings come from guys who appreciate that I don't waste their time; therefor, I get a lot of 2 minute, 3 minute, etc. shows that are 5 star shows. And I've had plenty of guys stay for a long time and rate me badly... probably because their money ran out before they "finished."

    There really is a lot to consider here. But if you want to e-mail the site, more power to ya.

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    Default Re: What do you guys say we all e-mail SM and ask them to change the rating system?

    Okay ladies,
    Curiosity got the best of me so I decided to go sift through a few random earnings pages and found this. I guess they CAN rate tips, but I am not sure ANY old tip can be rated, maybe it's just tips from people who have already paid for private or exclusive, I don't know, but there it is.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachesxo View Post
    Okay ladies,
    Curiosity got the best of me so I decided to go sift through a few random earnings pages and found this. I guess they CAN rate tips, but I am not sure ANY old tip can be rated, maybe it's just tips from people who have already paid for private or exclusive, I don't know, but there it is.

    ^^Read up. We posted at the same time. Only one of those ratings counts. It's just an error on their page.

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    ^^Yeah your post came up right after I posted, you beat me lol, but it totally makes sense that that would happen.

    This whole rating thing doesn't really affect me at all, just thought I'd go have a look and see if I could find something to help clear it up.
    I guess we have our answer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachesxo View Post
    Okay ladies,
    Curiosity got the best of me so I decided to go sift through a few random earnings pages and found this. I guess they CAN rate tips, but I am not sure ANY old tip can be rated, maybe it's just tips from people who have already paid for private or exclusive, I don't know, but there it is.

    Was that a private show the person tipped you in? BC I just tipped a chica 20 GOLD and didn't get to leave a rating ..I tipped high to ensure if I could leave a rating in free but no option.

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    I'm pretty sure it was one of those automated "Blahblah has sent you 5 gold to say, thanks for the show!" messages/post-exclusive tips - which makes sense as to why it was rated now with what Jess said above.



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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalRose View Post
    I just dont get how you can be "blackmailed" unless your giving out personal info, or something equally dangerous/stupid on your part... Its your room, guy rates you bad contact SM, if they say no the first time email again, there support is famous for being disjointed and retarted.
    But my main issue is this overzealous use of the term "blackmail" kinda irks me, no offense to the OP, gals are using it in camming all the time. You can only get blackmailed if you allow it 95% of the time on the internet, give out your personal info, your fault. Let a guy make you feel bad with ratings and try to demand stuff, your fault. Just ban his ass the instant he comes back. done and done. You the model have all the control in your camming world, its your room, so use your power! People can only control you if you allow it, so dont allow it!
    And seriously i use the just keep bugging SM support tactic all the time, usually they do what ya want after a few no's.
    Sorry if i got a lil off topic ^^; And goodluck with the ratings business.
    example of blackmail today: another girl in the studio was asked in a 60 second session whether she will stuff her panties and bra?!? in her vagina, she refused and the 60 second asshole gave her a 2. it is blackmail in way because if you do not stuff your bra in your vagina you will get rated negatively and you WILL lose traffic and business...we should not have to beg SM to protect us from this stuff...

    we should not have to resort to harassing SM staff to protect us from abusive customers, we should spend this time making money for both us and SM. if we all e-mail them and make them aware of what is going on they have nothing to lose by helping us out here...even if the line is drawn at the 5 min mark most of the abusive reviews will stop...girls can keep their reputation easier by focusing on giving a great 5+ min show and not have to worry about being punished if they wont show their asshole in the first 40 seconds...

    @sarahtime they are not after our studio they have no way of knowing what studio we are in the girls are not even from the same countries...all they have in common is that they are new and their rep is super easy to trash for a few bucks for blackmailers...

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