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    I was talking to a reg on Friday about the club, the girls and his experiences there. During this discussion I think I had a light bulb moment about the club's ultimate hustler, who left in March to go home.

    I had heard a few times before that girls had overheard really wierd conversations as part of her hustle. A lot of us were just WTF about how she made the money she did, and got almost every guy in the place to agree to a show (other than hustling soullessly, which was obvious) . Anyway, the guy I was talking to said the conversation went a little like this:
    (Dancer approaches and sits)
    Custy: "Hi, how's your day"
    Dancer (instantly): "Oh, better than your day!"
    Custy: "Really, what did you get up to?"
    Dancer: "Much more than you!"
    Custy: "Sounds interesting, like what?"
    "More than you!" -propositions for a dance.
    Custy: "No thanks, I'm not interested" (thinks "Fuck off!" and mentally gives her the finger- watching him describe this was hilarious)

    This made me curious, whilst it made him mad, and with his SC experience he could see she was playing games, it seemed that the "beat down" was often part of her hustle.
    By making a guy feel defensive, insecure, or that she was not interested, did it make him feel the need to spend more on her to prove that he was socially acceptable/interesting/or to have a chance to have his say? She wasn't overtly rude, but seemed to make an effort to make the guy feel like he had to put up or shut up, to prove his worth. I feel like this is a pretty scummy way to treat someone, especially as they often come as their self esteem is a bit shaky to begin with, but has anyone experienced this type of hustle before? Know someone who uses it effectively? It's bizarre but she made tons, and I know for a fact this approach was not a one off.

    I tend to try and be nice, but that really isn't working out great for me, and while I'd feel hella guilty manipulating someone like this, I am also exploring approaches to add to my persona, that may help me be less shit at what I do. I know in past I have had crazy attraction (physically) to someone fairly aloof and slightly manipulative. Emotion never came into it, but it definitely made the physical attraction stronger.

    Curious...

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    I usually do the "make the guy think you like/ are attracted to him" approach. Lately I've been trying this thing where I make him think he's leading the conversation so he thinks it's his idea to get a dance. I'm always trying to see what works for other girls and try new tactics. The one you described makes sense in a way but I don't think I could pull it off because my persona doesn't match it... I think only a very specific type of girl could pull it off without seeming like a total bitch. It's interesting though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joanna_Kaary View Post
    The one you described makes sense in a way but I don't think I could pull it off because my persona doesn't match it... I think only a very specific type of girl could pull it off without seeming like a total bitch. It's interesting though...
    Agreed. I picture a really princessy, bitchy, and gorgeous blonde girl dressed in pink rocking this hustle. Maybe a sassy brunette in black, but I think a really girly appearance is necessary to counter the oodles of bitchiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    Agreed. I picture a really princessy, bitchy, and gorgeous blonde girl dressed in pink rocking this hustle.
    You just described her to a tee... Well, except the gorgeous part. She was OK, bit horsy to look at, but always in pink, with rhinestone jewellery.

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    Default Re: The "Beat Down" Hustle...

    One of my friends (now retired) had a similiar hustle with slight variations. She would verbally poke at customers and appear to be teasing them, but she was serious. She would ask things like "do you have enough money for me today? Otherwise, I don't want to waste my time." If they were too offensive while she was dancing for them, she would playfully grab their neck and squeeze, slightly hurting them.

    She was a notorious extras girl on top of it, so she REALLY banked. I worked hard and did well, but she always made twice as much as me. She once told me that I was too nice to the customers and spent too much time conversing. But that was part of my persona. I couldn't have pulled off the things she did-I didn't have the same way about me. While I have a 'Barbie' look, she looked like a total porn actress-HUGE breasts, small waist, bubble butt, brunette, and a 'don't mess with me' attitude.

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    This is hilarious. I'm gonna try it this weekend.

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    ^please let us know how it goes!

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    Default Re: The "Beat Down" Hustle...

    I like this girls style.

    Gotta do whatcha ya gotta do sometimes.

    It's all in the attitude.

    I'm nice always until somebody crosses the line.

    My one track mind kicks in and all I can think about is taking their money.

    It's like an addiction that I have no control over.

    Seriously I'm on auto pilot when bitch stripper steps in to take the wheel.




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    Default Re: The "Beat Down" Hustle...

    Now that I think of it, some guys that I was mean too simply because they got out of control ended up giving me pretty good stage tips the next time I went up or asking me for a dance... like I remember this one time some guy told me he was a Nazi wannabe and hated Jews so I bitched him out and then got tipped. At the time I thought it was a way of apologizing for bad behavior but in retrospect maybe they actually enjoyed getting dogged. Maybe being an asshole was their way of "asking" for a verbal beat down and tipping was their way of saying "thank you"...

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    I was a complete ass to one of the regular guys in the club tonight. Poked fun, bullshitted, made up stories, then changed them on purpose, carried on and was a complete c*nt to him. He's a bit of a jerk when drunk, but I was passing it back as quick as he was dishing it out.
    He booked me, and told me he was enjoying the challenge. I told him I liked men, then that I was a lesbian who'd never had straight sex, tied his hands up for being annoying and made fun of him. I celebrated my 1yr stripper birthday today with a bitch hustle, and it worked.
    Good lord. I may be onto something...

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    Default Re: The "Beat Down" Hustle...

    This is actually very interesting! I pull a bit of a Beat Down but definitely not to the extent of what you described, Especially on stage, I can be very tough...Now I am kind of tempted to try it to see how things work out statistically haha

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    Default Re: The "Beat Down" Hustle...

    I can see that the responses on here are positive to this approach, but please let me be the first to disagree.

    Unless a guy is into 'cuckhold' fetish, this is going to backfire. In the example with the drunk guy, he wanted to banter.

    In most other situations, men are going to tip out of intimidation sometimes, but most of the time they just walk away.

    The average guy comes into the club to get AWAY from the bitches he faces in the rest of his life, not get a new one!

    Making him comfortable and being friendly may make him buy a little slower depending on his personality style, but he will at least come back to the club to see you.

    The Beatdown hustle is good for losing clients for your club, and if a manager hears it...good way to get fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post

    In most other situations, men are going to tip out of intimidation sometimes, but most of the time they just walk away.

    The average guy comes into the club to get AWAY from the bitches he faces in the rest of his life, not get a new one!

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    ^This! I've seen many hot dancers go home with empty garters due to attitude problems. Having said that, I have seen this kind of thing work from time to time.

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    i read this thread yesterday and tried it out tonight on a customer and it really worked..i was bratty and sarcastic, walked away and went to dance for another guy and after that i noticed he turned down every other dancer and went to my stage, tipped me with a 20 and asked for a dance. ended up getting 6 dances outta him. my other regular says he doesn't like me when i ignore him, but the more i ignore him and blow him off and act uppity the more clingy he gets and when I've been the bitchiest is when he gets the most dances. some men are strange...haha. i don't do this with most customers because i feel bad tho

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    I need to clarify, I am not referring to being an outright bitch to customers, or rude, I know a bad attitude affects yOur money. What I am really referring to is getting the customer to a point where they feel they have to put up or shut up.

    I guess perhaps its guaging the guy and applying this when appropriate.

    I know I'd respond better to a dancer with a dry, sarcastic wit who can verbally "throw down" to an overly fake, bubbly happy nice as pie type of girl. but then, I know the job is not all smiles and glitter.

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    dry sarcastic and witty at the right time/right guy is perfect. Adapt to the customer you're with- greatest skill you can learn.
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    We've all seen the archetypal girl (mostly Russian in my experience) do the bored, bitchy princess thing and make it work for them. I've always been curious about this. I assume it's the other side of the coin to women who get turned on by jerks. Maybe it's the challenge, or maybe it's a bit white knight/savior complex.
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    At my club, we discussed this in detail a month ago as we were (and are) in the middle of slow season with still a good number of white collar customers. Blue collar and young guys look for the hot girl saying what they want to hear and tend to believe what they hear. White collar and older gentlemen know when they're being hustled and can be paranoid about it...so I discussed with one friend what I was doing wrong with some of those guys. Honestly, I was being too nice and conversational and showing too much skin. On days with more of that clientele (as my club is weird in getting lots of both), I wore dresses and made sure to be pretentious without being rude.
    I call it the "snotty bi***" routine. It works with those guys as you are placing yourself somewhat above them and making them ASPIRE to convince you that they are acceptable partners and customers!!!!!! If they asked why I wore a dress and if they could see my boobs or butt, I told them they could as long as it was in the dance room, and most immediately took me. If they resisted that lure, I would get up and tell them I didn't have time to waste and that MAYBE I could get to them before the night was up and for them to hope that it was slow. If the guy really wanted a dance (and not extras), he got it then and there.
    On nights with blue-collar and young guys, this is too off-putting. Lately, I've had to re-adjust since the crowd has skewed more this way and hate having to be so friendly and talkative now when that's all I used to do! I feel like I'm giving away freebies when I wear two-pieces and talk to guys for more than two songs!
    The key isn't to be rude... it's to be mysterious, a little snotty, and to seem expensive. Rich guys love it!!!
    Those of us trying it at our club have found much more success with that crowd than not.
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    ^^ yes. seem exclusive and expensive, and only "qualified" customers get the privilege to see your naked body. best way to do it.

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    Curious with this...
    I love it, and it is exactly what I mean, but would anyone suggest if there are ways to apply this when it is mandatory to do stage rotation whether you want to or not.

    Basically if they hold out and waste our time, they will get to see it all anyway, and this is commonly the excuse why they will not get dances. It's worse on full nude stage nights (Sunday thru Thursday) where we have to take it all off, no option not to, but then our Fridays and Saturdays are more bucks parties and blue collar/younglings.
    The older crowd often favor Wednesdays (if they are VIP members) and Thursdays, which is a gown night at the club, so all the girls are more covered up.
    Sunday is generally for either ballers, Indians or cheapskates. Bunch of coke dealers could come in and blow a few G, (good Sunday!) we get the occasional low spend bucks parties, looking for more value for money on a Sunday bucks, sometimes we get friends of the manager, who usually tip OK, and finally the Indians, who often only tip $2 max per girl for 4 guys looking, and expect you to strip off before you can have it.
    I do promote a more intimate (and naughtier, [no contact] where I think it will help) experience in VIP, but it's hard to make them feel like you're "in demand" when the club is quiet and you don't want to appear unwanted by sitting alone.
    I just wonder if there is any way to turn this back around, when guys turn you down or want to wait for your stage or whatever else, make yourself appear elusive and unattainable, without insulting them too much. Kinda like the old, "OK good, I really didn't think you were my type of customer but I have to ask everyone" approach...
    Been reading up on the "Take Away" close tactic, to see if I can more readily apply this in these types of situations.

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    When guys tell me that they want to wait for stage, I tell them that I may not go since people don't tip enough and that I oftentimes get bought off the floor. If they're cheapskates just wanting to see stage, they'll usually pony up some dough to me on stage once I've said that. If they want dances but are just being wary for whatever reason, they'll get them then OR come up to me at the very end of the night and complain that I never came back by the table to get dances. I tell them that I'm a very popular girl and that they should've gotten dances earlier like I said, then I continue on to the dressing room to go home.
    If a guy just flat-out turns you down, don't even say bye. Get up and leave. Don't even look at him the whole night and walk by as confidently as possible. Create value after the turn down, and you give yourself better chances of changing his mind.

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    Really, that was her big secret???
    Also she was a bit of a machine too I think. Remember when we whispered about a shower show two metres from her and she ran over on stage and insisted to join in?
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    Really, that was her big secret???
    Also she was a bit of a machine too I think. Remember when we whispered about a shower show two metres from her and she ran over on stage and insisted to join in?
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    I think it was one among an arsenal of techniques... I sat and listened to her guilt hustle one dude cause we'd spent some time (it wasnt busy) trying for a show and having some champagne, so I think she applied whatever was appropriate. And she was indeed shameless about muscling in or cutting in on shows.

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    One guy pointed st her and said "she's a silver tongued devil that one!" meaning she would say anything...

    I think she used the 'bunny' (you know what I mean...the vagina thing) as a lure too. Once she was banned from doing it on stage, she would tell guys about it and be like "but I can only do it in private".
    Her money actually went up after she was told not to do it on stage anymore...

    I think she's secretly a robot...

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