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    Question How Dive-y is too Dive-y? +others Q's

    My mind is going a million directions at once so please bear with me.

    I've been contemplating dancing for a while now. I've been a cam girl for the last 2 years and have done a few other adult gigs in the past but I've never been a stripper in the traditional sense. I do very well on cam (well, I did---I haven't cammed in a few months mostly cuz I've been burned out--the hardest part of camming for me is how isolated I feel working at home by myself all day) so even though my main reason for dancing would be to get out of the house a few nights a week, I would still want it to be financially worth it if I'm going to drive all the way to a club. Not to sound bitchy, but I could make $20/hour bar tending (with tips) in a regular restaurant bar and not have to stumble around in 6+inch heels for 8 hours.

    I'm a curvy/thicker girl and I'm 28 (so, old in stripper years). I don't have any illusions of getting hired at a high end club. But I still think that if I found a club that was the right fit, I could make good money. When I was at the top of my game camming, I was usually one of the first 5 models on the homepage. I know camming is different from stripping but is it really THAT different?

    I've read a couple threads about dive clubs and I've actually thought that they sounded kinda fun and maybe the perfect place to start out. A girl I know recently started working at this lingerie biker bar nearby (air dances only, no private dances and you have to wear 2 pairs of panties and pasties, urgh!) and she's been really pushing me to come in for an audition (well, most girls don't actually go through an audition there.) The money sounds pretty shit though but I don't know what's to be expected. One girl who's been there for almost a month made $80 on Saturday night and seemed pretty content with that---that's for an 8 hour shift too. Is this just going to be a total waste of time? Is this my only option because I'm not skinny or jailbait?

    I'm in Chicago. Anyone have any suggestions on other places to check out?

    Another question I have I guess is about "the lifestyle." That seems to be my husband's biggest objection to me stripping. He doesn't care about me grinding naked on some dude for money, I think he's more worried about me suddenly turning into some coked-out party girl. Any job where you make fast cash, work late nights and have a flexible schedule is going to attract a certain type of person. There were plenty of drugs and after-hours parties going on when I bar tended. I managed not to get dragged into it then. Is it really that hard to not get sucked into this "lifestyle" that I hear so many people referring to when they talk about strippers?

    Congrats if you read all of that. Geez. Just read the 1st and last sentence of each paragraph for the overall idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    Not to sound bitchy, but I could make $20/hour bar tending (with tips) in a regular restaurant bar and not have to stumble around in 6+inch heels for 8 hours.
    Generally, one dance is 20$. If you're only selling one dance an hour, either you're doing something wrong or you need to get the fuck out of whatever club you're working at. I wouldn't be too concerned about not making more than bar tending.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I know camming is different from stripping but is it really THAT different?
    There's been quite a few threads on this matter, but, basically, yes. It's a whole different ballgame and hustle, as you have people coming into your room while camming who see you and you know are at least somewhat interested, whereas in the club, you have all sorts of people and who may or may not be interested in you. It's also a face-to-face interaction, and depending on where you are, entails physical contact.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    The money sounds pretty shit though but I don't know what's to be expected. One girl who's been there for almost a month made $80 on Saturday night and seemed pretty content with that---that's for an 8 hour shift too. Is this just going to be a total waste of time? Is this my only option because I'm not skinny or jailbait?
    She must either be sitting around doing fuck all the entire night or you really need to avoid this club. It must be said that every club has that ONE girl who never seems to make much money but keeps coming back. $80 is still more than a lot of minimum wage jobs pay for 8 hours of work, and I bet she's doing less work than she would be in one of them, so somehow it's worth it to her. Don't use her as a gauge. Try the club out for a shift. If it's shit, try another one. You don't have to be skinny or jailbait to get hired in a good club.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    Is it really that hard to not get sucked into this "lifestyle" that I hear so many people referring to when they talk about strippers?
    No. If you're not interested in living like that, don't. Just because you're a stripper, doesn't mean you have to party all night and do drugs. Quite the contrary, many dancers are students, moms, hold other jobs, or are just responsible people in general.

    Best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post

    There's been quite a few threads on this matter, but, basically, yes. It's a whole different ballgame and hustle, as you have people coming into your room while camming who see you and you know are at least somewhat interested, whereas in the club, you have all sorts of people and who may or may not be interested in you. It's also a face-to-face interaction, and depending on where you are, entails physical contact.
    Thank you! That does make a lot of sense. One of the reasons camming was the more comfortable choice for me was because I knew that the guys in my room had decided to come into my room because they liked what they saw. I already know they're into me so it's not as hard selling them a show.

    I'd really love to check out any threads comparing camming and stripping and the differences. My searches aren't coming up with much though, I think I'm searching words that are too vague/common. Any suggestions?
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    How "thick and curvy" are we talking? I have seen too many heifers try to use the "But I'm not fat, I'm curvy " line and it pisses me off. ( not saying you're one)
    I can only share my personal experiences since dropping 20 llbs and I'm making way more money skinny than I ever did chubby. It's a sad fact but the thinner you are the more doors you can fit through.
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    I'm definitely chubby compared to what I imagine the average stripper to be. I've only been to really high end clubs (as a patron) and most of the girls seemed to be pretty skinny--though there were a couple curvier girls, they usually weren't white.

    Here's a couple pictures. Admittedly not the best of my face but my computer crashed a few months ago and I lost all my photos so I had to grab these off my twitter and apparently most of the pics I've posted have been removed.
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    You are 'fit' (hate to use that word but can't think of another one!) to make money IMO. I'm 5'3 and just under 10stone and I bank most nights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I'm definitely chubby compared to what I imagine the average stripper to be. I've only been to really high end clubs (as a patron) and most of the girls seemed to be pretty skinny--though there were a couple curvier girls, they usually weren't white.

    Here's a couple pictures. Admittedly not the best of my face but my computer crashed a few months ago and I lost all my photos so I had to grab these off my twitter and apparently most of the pics I've posted have been removed.

    Oh, you're not bad at all...so not what I was expecting (thank the gods). You could easily get hired at a mid tier club and if you dropped about 10-15llbs you could probably shoot for a nicer club. You're cute and not morbidly obese like some of these heifers that I see all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I'd really love to check out any threads comparing camming and stripping and the differences. My searches aren't coming up with much though, I think I'm searching words that are too vague/common. Any suggestions?
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ming+stripping
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ming+stripping
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ming+stripping sort of goes into it

    FWIW - You definitely won't be stuck working in the diviest of clubs where strippers go to die. You've got a nice body and a cute face. Dancing will only make your body hotter too.

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    I don't know how to quote multiple posts so I'll just address y'all by name here.

    @SugarMouse Lol @ "fit." You sound so very British. Actually, when I read a lot of your posts, I read them with an accent in my head. Love it. And thanks for the compliment.

    @Shanna Thank you for the links. I'm totally retarded apparently. Adding "-ing" to my searched terms would've gotten me there.

    And to Tempest and Shanna: I think if I try to wait until I lose weight to go in for a job, I'll never do it. And I'm not getting any younger. So I'd rather just try my luck at a more low key club, get some experience, hopefully drop a few pounds from dancing and then try my luck at a better club.

    I'm glad you guys think I'm not too fat to dance. Honestly, I was starting to think if my only option was to dance next to girls with track marks and badly painted on eyebrows, maybe I'd rather just sit my happy ass at home in front of a cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I don't know how to quote multiple posts so I'll just address y'all by name here.
    Just press the button with the speech bubble containing quotation marks (to the right of 'Reply With Quote) for each post you want to quote, and then hit 'Reply With Quote' for the last one you want to quote.

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    First of all, you look great, and I think you should have some higher standards for yourself! You have a beautiful shape and a cute face and haircut, you'll do just fine, espescially if you give yourself a lil confidence boost! The main difference between camming and stripping, like shanna said, is the face-face interactions. But I think that if the idea of approaching customers doesn't make you anxious, you'll probably have an edge transitioning into stripping as with camming you can't use touch at all and how you can flirt is very limited because you're on a computer.

    As for clubs and earnings...I think most dancers on this site would agree that on average their income is in the ballpark of 200-800 a night. Keep in mind that is a huge range and that there are some nights that you may make nothing, and there could be other nights you make 1k or more. Stripping is like gambling, you neeeeever know what you are going to make, and information about earnings from other girls should always be taken with a grain of salt: the girl that told you she made $80 on a saturday was either 1) having a bad night 2) super lazy/not feeling well/not a good hustler 3) too scared and/or stupid to go to another bar where she would make more or 4) lying. Straight -up, this industry is competitive and people WILL at some point try and play games with you. Some girls will lie and say a club is shit when it's actually awesome purely because they DON'T want more girls coming in to work with them because that = competition. Others will lie and say they make a shitload of $$$ in a pathetic attempt to make you feel bad about what you made and yourself because it's way less than their fictional income.

    Dives: dives are fun. The first bar I ever worked in was a dive, I was like you, felt I was a bit chubby when I started dancing, and it was a great place for me to start because even with a bit of extra weight I was still one of the prettiest girls there, and banked often because of that, which in turn was a huge confidence boost. I work at a mid-level club now, in a latin neighbourhood, full of hispanic, italian, and south american customers, which is perfect for my body type, which is similar to yours. You could probably get hired at a high-end club if you lose a bit, maybe even now, I don't know chicago, I haven't bothered, I make good money where I'm at and I can spend my time prioritizing other things like school and my business instead of stressing about being in the gym two hours a day to maintain a body that my body doesn't naturally want to be anyways...but to each their own. Plus the higher-end clubs don't have as much of a relaxed vibe as the dive-mid levels do. I like to just be able to chill out at work and have fun, you want to chose a club with an atmosphere you feel comfortable in.

    The lifestyle: if you didn't get dragged into it when you were bartending you probably won't when stripping. I know a few bartenders and those girls are crazier than most of the strippers I've met. There's always gonna be a few girls sneaking some lines of coke in the dressing room or bathroom, when I was a newbie, this really shocked me, but I got used to it pretty quick. Yes, someone will probably offer you drugs at some point, whether it's a girl in the dressing room, or a customer that wants to party in VIP. You can always say no. You can also occasionally say yes. Just because you do a line of coke doesn't mean you're going to turn into "coked out party girl", it's all relative to where your boundaries are, and knowing when to stop. As a stripper you are "paid to party". There's a whole bunch of conflicting opinions on this: some dancers don't drink at work AT ALL, others are total partiers, others are in the middle. I have had good $ nights playing all 3 roles but I think I am personally most comfortable in the middle.

    Stripping is just very hands-on. You have to try everything: different bars, different hustles, different styles, and find what works best for you.

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