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    Hey ladies! I just want to say this is a great forum for us HUSTLERS out there hehe

    Now let me give some background info on me before I get to my question. I came to America from India when I was about 12 and still have a thick accent which is part of my culture. I begin dancing after high school around clubs in the South (most racist part of America probably). I take great care of my body and I KNOW I look good Even with me looking like a Hindu Goddess (something a customer once told me!!), I noticed something. White girls at the same clubs (mainly blondes) were making MUCH more than me. I dont want to brag but I know I can dance good and definetly know how to talk to my customers!! Why is it that even with this, average looking blondes are making twice as much??

    Do any Indian dancers have similar stories? I have considered bleaching my hair to try to get more customers but it just seems like theres no room for dark brown girls in a club full of blondes (majority of clubs). I have never heard of Indian clubs where I would "fit right in" but I dont want to stop dancing because honestly I love it.

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    Abhilasha! I've been lurking awhile in these forums and I'm glad someone who I can relate to posted this which prompted me to sign up!

    ...and I know how exactly you feel because that stuff happens to me too in the club I work with. I don't know if I can help but maybe I can explain why the blonde girls are getting paid more than Indian girls. Looks matter, period, they matter a lot. Good looking people get treated better, good looking people can get away with saying stuff others can’t, good looking people can get away with doing things others can’t, good looking people have an easy time being confident, good looking people get paid more, good looking people have more career opportunities, good looking people light up those around them, good looking people are automatically more respected, etc. In fact, people who look good get way too many shortcuts in life. When a good looking person says something, that word means more coming out of their mouth.I am not going off by any means, I am just telling it to you as it is. In fact, don’t get mad at me, get mad at those people who tell you not to worry about looks, people who tell you are good “just the way you are”, people who tell you to take pride in being a fat slob, people who tell you that your “amazing personality” will win others over, etc. Those people are not your friends, those are the people that hold you back. In fact, the next time someone calls you ugly, ask them what made them say that to you, and if they have a good point then FIX IT, they are doing you a favor.
    I have had some life experience myself. Back in high school (at the start of it), I was overweight, poorly groomed, worst style on the planet, and a hideous sight to look at. I was probably a 4/10 AT BEST. Poor parenting and other things like depression had to do with me not being the best I could be. Then as high school went on, I grew, I ended up being better looking. I lost weight, I took care of grooming, style mattered to me, I cared about myself, and everything was in play for me. Lets say that being called ugly was the best thing to ever happen to me in high school because it gave me motivation to improve myself. That wasn’t enough either, after high school I lost even MORE weight. I became fit, I read Vogue and Shape, and I really decided to care about myself and the rewards were there.
    I had more people who wanted to be my friends, social life grew, I went on dates constantly, and most of all I was treated better by society in general. It isn’t that I am bragging, in fact I will say I am a 7/10 at best but that is still above average. One can only wonder how good of a life the 9/10 woman is living. I realized the importance of appearance in this society and the amount of respect your opinion gains from everyone. The amount of opportunities created due to a good appearance are to be envied.
    Yes, conclusion is, LOOKS MATTER, they really do, they mean a lot as a matter of fact.
    Well then, am I going to give you any good news? Yes I am.
    Good news is, you can indeed improve your looks.
    1. Get the Bodyfat down, throughout the world, a low body fat percentage is admired in women
    2. Groom, get the proper haircut for your face shape, stay clean shaven, clean your hair, try different hair products, and cold showers always help
    3. Clothing matters, wear clothes that fit you and clothes that best compliment your bodyshape
    Doing that alone along with other things (heck I don’t know, look at guides online) will get you the results you want, you will be above a 5/10 (in most cases), so basically, above average looking.
    So yes, I do obsess about looks, I do recognize their importance, and unless I am sick, I do my best to look the best possible. Why? Because I know that I am better off spending time improving my looks rather than reading pages of the SEDUCTION PUA garbage people are trying to sell.
    People will blame genetics on EVERYTHING, but majority of us, if we try, can be decent looking.
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    cool, I get what you're saying. So speaking of appearance which places do you think Indian girls will be more sought after? Right now I hate where I'm at, like around the south and there's too many black customers I'd rather dance with blonde-haired blue eyes men?
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    Rushvi you have to understand that this is a white (particulary blonde) man and woman's country. No offense to my white girlfriends out there but I am just speaking the truth! I have been told by a white dancer to get out of America when she heard my accent!

    Kisca would you suggest I move to a liberal area where dark skinned girls will be more "accepted" in a club? I have considered getting plastic surgery to make my skin lighter which would equal more $$$$ but I have a thick Indian accent so whats the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushvi View Post
    cool, I get what you're saying. So speaking of appearance which places do you think Indian girls will be more sought after? Right now I hate where I'm at, like around the south and there's too many black customers I'd rather dance with blonde-haired blue eyes men?
    Why are you obsessed with those typs of men?? They are a dime a dozen in America and are EVERYWHERE

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    ^what if I dye it blonde? do you think the blonde guys will relate to me more? sorry I'm asking like an elderly person I need to know more on this topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abhilasha View Post
    Why are you obsessed with those typs of men?? They are a dime a dozen in America and are EVERYWHERE
    I think it's because of my ex, we were supposed to be married since our parents already approved but after we bang and day bang all day with no passion or love and him treating me like
    asshole instead of complimenting and cuddling with me the last time I heard he moved to Poland and wrote how to bang girls there and a "scientific book" about dead bats in Paraguay. What a weirdo.

    Anyway as you've mentioned, this is a country of white men and women (no offense my white girlfriends) so they're the majority holding the wealth and power so it only makes sense that blonde blue eyes guys are usually loaded and more handsome
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    Quote Originally Posted by teaze View Post
    Dyeing your hair would be a bad idea! Guys like variety and being one of the few indian girls in the club will put you at an advantage. But if you really want to try blonde, I think blonde clip in hair extensions or a wig is a safe choice before changing your hair permanently.

    The indian girl I danced with made her money off of old white guys and black customers. Lol, as a blonde I made more money off of old asian guys or indian guys so it all depends on the person. It was mainly the way she carried herself and the way she talked to guys that reeled guys in.
    That's very encouraging so ok need to carry myself better I guess. What about if I meet assholes in the club who are trying to just put me down, I complain to the manager
    and got this guy who was a mechanic from Florida thrown out but I wish I could have handled it better. I heard he has a big speedboat that means he's loaded. He was an asshole when he made fun of my accent and he says "I got lots more bitches on my iPhone!"

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    I believe the white girls at my clubs are talking behind my back and spreading rumors. Have any girls (particulary minorities) had a experience like this? Keep in mind that this is in the deep South which is probably the most racist part of America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushvi View Post

    Anyway as you've mentioned, this is a country of white men and women (no offense my white girlfriends) so they're the majority holding the wealth and power so it only makes sense that blonde blue eyes guys are usually loaded and more handsome
    Not always. I had made bank out of blacks and Latin Americans; the blondies aren't always the richer ones, especially in the south. Forget about their physique; you are doing this for money, so your customer's physique should be the last thing on your mind.





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    Let me start out by saying that 'Race' was a very inaccurate way to describe the phenomenon. IMHO it really boils down to two major 'marketing' points ...

    - a dancer's 'visibility' in the club environment ... where blonde hair, really big boobs, really long legs etc. helps one girl attract more customer attention than another girl with brown hair, average bust, average height etc. In a club where the business model includes lots of customer turnover and little 'regular' business by repeat customers, first impression can be extremely important.

    - with notable exceptions, it's a simple fact that the majority of dollars spent by club customers are spent by customers who are caucasian. And again with notable exceptions, caucasian guys seem to be more fixated on the 'dream girl' image they cultivated in high school ... i.e. the blonde cheerleader who wouldn't give them the time of day, or the blonde bimbo porn star they masturbated to ... than the 'dream girl' image of a Nobian princess, an Indian goddess etc. Arguably this is more pronounced in the US Southern states.

    If you have a pronounced Indian accent, and exotic physical features, there is no way that you can ever 'change your image' to this degree. My advice is not to try, and instead cultivate your Indian goddess image as much as possible to try and take advantage of the 'notable exceptions'.

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    And if how you look is just not working for you where you are, consider travelling to a larger city that is more culturally diverse. I am a blonde whjite girl in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world, and at my downtown, mid-tier club there are a few girls of all types: blondes, burnettes, redheads, dark hair, asians, indians, black, caribiean, latina, eastern european, and canadian women. I like this mix because it means that there is a girl for every customer, and there's not ever too many girls who look exactly like you to compete with for customers. I agree with Melonie to play up your Indian Godess Look. Wear indian costumes even, and dramatic make-up! Try to attract attention through making your image the absolute best it can be.

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    A lot of the old farts with money that I know usually go for black or Asians.
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    ^^^ old farts with money also go for Pam Anderson clones ! But in the final analysis, old farts with money fall in the 'exception to the rule' category of strip club customers. For every old fart with money there is likely to be 500 middle class middle aged white guys and 10 penny pinching old farts .

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    Is your accent really heavy or is it slight? If you have a heavy accent, maybe they can't understand what you're saying with loud music involved. Not bc of your race.

    And I agree, old white farts love themselves the complete opposite of them. I see it all of the time as well.

    I've had real money customers ask for real dark women with big butts & up to VIP they go. The big titted blond isn't the only fantasy in demand. Lots of white (or other) guys ask for dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes.

    Everyone doesn't like the same thing.

    ETA- sorry, I missed the part where you already mentioned thick accent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ old farts with money also go for Pam Anderson clones ! But in the final analysis, old farts with money fall in the 'exception to the rule' category of strip club customers. For every old fart with money there is likely to be 500 middle class middle aged white guys and 10 penny pinching old farts .
    True dat Melonie. Since I went blonde and lost weight I noticed that more middle class white guys have been buying dances from me.
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    Whenever I go blond I get a lot of more attention. You're not black so if you're simply tan or caramel complected with the features to pull it off you definitely have the option go blond a dark blond of course.

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    I am a top earner at my clubs and I'm not blonde, nor to I have big boobs, etc. Some customers think I look Indian (that's probably the 3rd most popular guess after Italian and Arabic) but I still manage to generally make more than the other girls, including the blondes. Just because the average American man thinks the "typical" "dream girl" is a blonde doesn't mean he won't spent money on a girl that actually looks exotic/atypical. In fact I think my 'exotic' look has helped me more than hurt... I think you should try to use is to your advantage. Most white men are used to being with primarily white women... eventually many of these men are going to want something different, which is why 'exotic' or 'foreign' looking women can tend to do well.
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    As long as you're making a decent amount of money, don't worry about what others are making. Focus on cultivating your best hustle and apply it. You'll find what works and what doesn't work for you, and your niche market. I don't ask what others make, because I simply don't care. As long as I make an amount that I deem sufficient for my needs, that's all that matters to me at the end of the day.

    And yes, I have been talked about by other girls who have complained about "immigrants coming into our country and taking our jobs blah blah blah" (even though I was born in this country, and their ancestors are immigrants too), but I chalk it all up to ignorance and very small minds. A person's judgement doesn't say anything about you, it says something about them.
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    Zombie thread alert: The OP joined for one day last summer, started this dramatic thread, and hasn't been back since.
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    It totally depends on where you live. Are you talking about America? Then yes, because of some specific race issues over there being a blonde might definitely help you. But here in Germany blondes are pretty common, so they are not exactly seen as "the dream girl." One top earner at my club is from Brazil and she has caramel-colored skin, dark hair etc. and men go crazy over her because she looks so exotic. I guess even in the USA things might vary according to where you are. But in general, what I have noticed is that those who earn the most are those who actually engage with the customers in some way. By engaging I mean that they are very generous with eye contact when they are on stage and that they shower customers with attention when they start giving lapdances. Customers want to feel like you are enjoying their company rather than absent-mindedly performing in their presence, and the more they are focused on you being interested in/responsive to them, the more they will like you and the less they will notice what exactly you look like. I think it's not really in men's nature to be too overly-selective with women. They are available if you make it look like you are happy to engage them. Being a shark is more important than being a perfect blonde stiff barbie doll!

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    I rocked my platinum blonde wig last night & got hired on spot plus got more attention from the custys ...
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    Zombie thread alert: The OP joined for one day last summer, started this dramatic thread, and hasn't been back since.
    Lol. I definitely see it. The users Abhilasha and Rushvi have to be the same person trying to bait people on the site.

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