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    I have been camming off and on almost a year. I have a few ???

    1. Streamate guys seem to only be in my privates for no more than five minutes. Is this normal? Seems they wait until the last second to get on cam to get off and that's it.
    2. I used to do BDSM as a domme on Imlive and they suck. I do not like how SM takes my videos whether I like it or not. I don't like wankers recording me. Nobody does. I wear masks and I don't care what anyone says about it. I have so far made about 150 x day on SM even with the mask which is what my goal is, not trying to get rich just trying to make at least or more than I do at my stupid retail job so I can quit. I have two college degrees and can't find a job, I refuse to work in retail hell and demean myself. So....why do people not do well with a mask Or is the amount I'm making what you would consider to be "not doing well" thus why I've read so many stories about not wearing masks. I know what you are going to say "If you can't afford to be found out don't do it". Look, I can afford to be found out. It wouldn't be surprising to those who know me, but for the sake of my own privacy I just want to minimize it. I have a right to privacy and if the contract I signed says they have the right to record my videos, then by god I'm not going to make it easy to market me.
    3. What should I be doing in free chat. I'm already not getting naked and I don't show toys in free. I know porn is readily available, and teens can look and do look, but I will NOT allow them to see me. Plus, if you give it away for free why buy it in private? So, should I not even wear sexy lingerie? Should I just wear a sexy t shirt? The guys on cam love to push limits and get away with things. I know how veteran cam models feel about women doin things in free chat. I just want to know if I even go too far. Usually I wear a sexy outfit and I'll flirt around. I might turn around here and there to show that I have a nice figure, but I don't show ANYTHING. EVER. Not even my feet or toys. I talk about the toys I have, I even talk about what my body looks like, but they don't get anything if they aren't paying. Is teasing or even standing up to show my body style too much you think?
    4. Is SM really a good site to work for? No CB's are a good thing. But I've heard some really bad things about it. Is Ifriends better? I won't do MFC because I don't want to show my face and I know it won't work there at all.

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    there are a ton of questions and dilemmas in your post....
    hum.....
    I have to think about this for a bit.....

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    Yeah, I'm curious. I was generally a non nude model on ImLive. Now I'm a vanilla one with a domme attitude on a site that's mostly vanilla. So I'm a bit like a deer in headlights. I have been getting some sissy boys and slaves, even if I don't say anything. I think it's the mask. Which is good for me, but still I have no idea what to do in free chat that's considered enticing but also not giving it all away. I know some guys can get off by just seeing a dildo. WTF?

    And anything to keep me from working the lousy, meaningless low end jobs in my area. I'll do anything. People might have a bad opinion of adult workers by let me tell you, I feel MUCH better about myself camming for about 5 hours for 150 dollars than working for 12 for 108 dollars and having to have only one break because the rest of the time I'm too busy to actually take the breaks I'm legally afforded. Plus I don't get any time with my family. With camming I can take care of my family and even finish up my master's degree more easily. And really, what's the difference? The same people who look down on me and think that I'm an uneducated person with low self worth who is only there to ring them up or listen to their complaining about how their cheaply made trinket broke when they tried to make it do something it wasn't intended to do would look down on me for camming. At least this way I can still keep my sanity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    there are a ton of questions and dilemmas in your post....
    hum.....
    I have to think about this for a bit.....
    me too. lol You seem to have most everything covered. Not sure about the mask thing though. Not saying anything bad, just never done it, so can't offer advise about that. Hmmmm






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    Thanks. I was more concerned with what to do/not to do in free chat. I mean, obviously no showing nudity. But then once I realized that anything can be a fetish and guys can be wanking away to things that I never dreamed of, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't giving anything away for free.

    Like, just recently I was checking out what bigger cam girls do on the site and one was showing her feet off in free chat. I don't do that. Sometimes if I'm laying around I might move and my feet get in shot of the cam, but I move them quickly back out. However, I do not EVER show someone my feet if they are like "show feet bb" or the "I bet you have sexy feet, can I see". I just say "I can show you in private" and usually they leave.

    Does anyone know what's up with men only going for 3, 5 or maybe 8 minutes in private? Is it because I'm sucking? Is this normal on SM? I keep getting 5 star reviews but it's like they are waiting until the very end of their wank session to see some action and then do their thing. It's so annoying.

    I don't know about the mask either. I keep reading it never works, but I'm not requiring myself to make tons of money so maybe that's how it's working for me. Just wondered if anyone else tried it or if it pisses off pirates who might record me. Or better yet, if SM would consider my video useless in their advertisements or whatever they do. Because when I see the clips of cam girls, they are not in masks. They are like, face in the cam, full on nudity.

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    I'm gonna let someone else chime in on most of this, especially the SM stuff, but I can at least comment on the mask/not showing your face question. First off, don't ever question your boundaries. Would you make more money if you were completely transparent...eyeballs and asshole in the camera in free chat and everywhere else for the world to see?? Possibly, but from what you've said this would be against what you feel is right for you personally. Should you take advantage of all the money that can be made camming while finishing up school?? Hell yes, but it can be done without going against what you are comfortable with.

    Example...I also don't show my face, ever. I wear sunglasses in case the camera slips down, and keep the camera at nose level and below. When I first started I had to accept that I may not make any money doing this, but knew it just wasn't an option for me. My main career focus is kind of public, and I would just feel way too vulnerable as well. I've only had a hand full of guys tell me it just wouldn't work for them if they can't see my face, and the rest seem to not care. HOWEVER...I have to always have the personality on super charged and work my assets to keep these guys attention. Would I make more money if I could make eye contact and be me head to toe? Of course...without a doubt. My eyes are gorgeous, and my bedroom eyes legendary Lol (according to some)and I hate that I can't exploit that, but this is what I decided. I'm doing just fine, and seeing increases weekly.

    Here's what I mean about taking advantage of all the money you can in this industry while sticking to your boundaries. I may not be making all I can by showing my face, but luckily I realized one of my strong suits is role playing and having a wicked imagination, not to mention I'm comfortable playing out some situations other girls are not. I'm starting to see a steady return of my custys that like my style, plus I quite enjoy it, so I'm putting extra time into thinking up future scenarios to keep these guys interested, not to mention I try to feel them out and really find their triggers so they will think only of me when they want to have their "interesting" needs met. The bonus is, I'm seeing a lot of this carry over to PhoneChat, which for some reason lasts 2 sometimes 3 times longer than cam shows quite frequently. Plus, with a stable of regs I can continue to do PhoneChat even when I decide to move on from camming for whatever reason. What I'm saying is find your niche and work that hard! You say you have experience being Domme. Work that mask and dominate away girl.

    As far as 3/5/8 min. privates...I certainly don't see an 8 minute private as being a failure. Some guys don't want to spend time with you. They want to jerk it and go. When I get 3 and 5 min. sessions, I usually feel they were just perusing me along with several other girls before the big finale or ran out of money, because I will see many of these guys pop in again at other times. But maybe I'm not pushing their buttons the right way, and it's their right to take their business elsewhere. Don't waste too much energy worrying about these guys.
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    TY very much. And you are spoken like a domme. LOL. I have my own style that's for sure. I did show my face last night, I have a couples account with my hubby and I didn't use the mask. He's ok with it, he has NO problem being all over the net on tube sites. But then again, he's a man. He doesn't know the stigma we women have to deal with daily. He understands to some degree, he's a male feminist, but he's never going to be a woman or know how we feel.

    You gave me inspiration and calmed my fears, BlondeBombGA. The mask lets me do things I wouldn't normally do. Like, I can enjoy my cam shows and I can get into them more because I'm not so self conscious. I can even offer anal to the right customer, I would NEVER do that without the mask. I think I'll just let my customers know that with the mask, I'm a better cam girl and can serve their needs better. I do have a sweet voice and a really pretty mouth and teeth. I'll just try to bank on that and my southern accent and my inner domme to hook them LOL. It's also good to know that women like you succeed at this even if you have to stay more private than other models. I really hate how our society views this type of work, but that's a whole other rant.

    Honestly, when I log on, even though I know how people feel, I feel empowered. I don't feel like those men have anything over on me. I'm in control of them and me and my situation. Hell, I've been looked down on so much for my non religious beliefs living here in the deep south, if anyone found out I was an internet cam model they would think "Well that figures" since being an Atheist is about as bad as one can get to most people. Plus, my neighbors I'm sure have seen me topless sunbathing on my deck this summer and with my rainbow flag on my porch they probably talk about me and my family anyway HAHA.

    I just want to find a good job when I graduate. I will. But in the meantime, I just can't be a slave to corporate America in a nowhere town making barely minimum wage, hurting my health and not spending any time with my family among other things. I have just decided that by being a cam model, I can help give my family a better life. People say "People will make fun of your kid if they find out" and I've thought of that too. Which is why I worry about my identity. For the love of my child. So, I wear the mask for that reason too. But you know what, if I lived in a place where kids made fun of my child because of me camming I'd take them out of school and home school them. And if I were to ever find out, even today that my mother was a cam girl because it was what was best for me, and she loved me THAT much, I'd be so honored that she would self sacrifice so that I could have a better life. I just don't understand some people and their values.

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    I am in the same boat sweetie, fetish oriented performer working for years in paid chat only structure where people used to pay to see anything, i find hard times on SM dealing with all freeloaders expecting to see feet, ass, all for free, they hardly willing to pay for it, i find SM is not fetish friendly if u dont add up hardcore stuff in ur shows.

    Same like you i am not willing to show them my goodies in free and get nothing from it but they take advantage of us sitting there wearing what they like and when u ask them to pay they leave. I had guys barking: why should i pay to see ur ass in panties, feet, shoes or lingerie, i pay for real xxx shows in pvt.

    My answer will be: my room, my rules, here i am the boss, if u wanna see anything at all u need to pay, my feet, ass, whatever are my money makers so i am not going to give it away for free.

    But as i said, its not easy to get these guys to pay when alot of girls are showing soo much in freechat, it's a big challenge if u used to paid chat only.

    I have accounts all over the place myself, for me ImLive for example is just a dead site by now, with SM i am not happy anymore, Ifriends has paid chat only too but is not working good for me anymore, cant find myself a site that will suit my work style and be beneficial for me, every site has it's good and weak points.

    On a side note, cams.com are very strict regarding showing face on cam, u have to always show face on cam (even in private shows ha!) and they specify no masks, sun glasses, nothing that covers face, i got pissed with them cause i opened a free session to test their HD, wanted to start working there as i have an account since a few years, i set cam on my clothed chest, sat there 3 mins to see how encoder behaves and i got a warning (email) for not showing face on cam. WTF, i am testing ur bloody site morons! How else can i do that if i dont open a live session?

    Not sure about how much u expect to earn but 150 a day is not that bad considering u wear a mask plus in time u'll gain regulars and might do more.
    Good luck!!

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    Yeah, I hear you. Well, thanks for all of the support. I was thinking I'd get a bunch of people telling me that I should stop camming if I wasn't willing to go balls to the wall on a site like SM, which is generally balls to the wall.

    I'll do hardcore....just not for free. And of course, without showing my face. But my hopes are (fingers crossed) that the mask will draw in slaves and fetish guys. So far so good. Honestly, I could get annoyed at the freeloaders but the inner bitch in me laughs when they don't get what they want for free. I love it and it makes for good entertainment, I think guys like watching me make spectacles of the men who are there to make spectacles of us.

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    Yes exactly honey! I use the ol' "I'm a secret, bored, dirty MILF, and get my jollies by camming, so I can't show my face....Shhhh, don't tell anyone. " Lol. They eat it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewCamGirl1 View Post
    I do have a sweet voice and a really pretty mouth and teeth. I'll just try to bank on that and my southern accent and my inner domme to hook them LOL.
    This all the way. I work my sultry southern drawl, and also have a great smile. It's amazing how much they'll focus in on that if that's what they are given. One camgirl who inspired me to give it a go even though I wasn't going to show my face was A.tina.A.qu.itane on SM. (remove the ...s.to search for her) She clearly states on her profile that she will not show her face. Her bod is amazing, which I'm sure is a factor, but she seems to do just fine as well headless.

    Happy I could inspire babe.


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    I'll bite......

    Quote Originally Posted by NewCamGirl1 View Post
    I have been camming off and on almost a year. I have a few ???

    1. Streamate guys seem to only be in my privates for no more than five minutes. Is this normal? Seems they wait until the last second to get on cam to get off and that's it.
    There are 29 second guys and there are 2 hour guys.

    First question, what are you charging? The lower your charge, the lower quality the viewer.
    Second question, what are you doing in your show? Are you engaging? What role are you playing (strip now, dildo fast or tease em and ease em in?)
    Third question, how much time are you putting into creating the image you want to create? Do you just hop on cam? Spend time & money first? What are you wearing? Is your profile conveying the same message you are sending in your shows? Do you stay consistent? Do you reinvent your shows or put on the same show over and over again?



    Quote Originally Posted by NewCamGirl1 View Post
    2. I used to do BDSM as a domme on Imlive and they suck. I do not like how SM takes my videos whether I like it or not. I don't like wankers recording me. Nobody does. I wear masks and I don't care what anyone says about it. I have so far made about 150 x day on SM even with the mask which is what my goal is, not trying to get rich just trying to make at least or more than I do at my stupid retail job so I can quit. I have two college degrees and can't find a job, I refuse to work in retail hell and demean myself. So....why do people not do well with a mask Or is the amount I'm making what you would consider to be "not doing well" thus why I've read so many stories about not wearing masks. I know what you are going to say "If you can't afford to be found out don't do it". Look, I can afford to be found out. It wouldn't be surprising to those who know me, but for the sake of my own privacy I just want to minimize it. I have a right to privacy and if the contract I signed says they have the right to record my videos, then by god I'm not going to make it easy to market me.
    There are ways to alter your appearance without dawning a mask. Wigs, extensions, eyelashes, makeup, glasses... men want a woman they can relate to. They want to see your eyes. They want to see your lips. They want to see you smile.

    It doesn't matter if (I have a gap in my teeth) if you consider your smile to be imperfect because for every 400 surfers, 100 will love it. Hair is a fetish. Eyes are sexy, a smile is sexy. You are depraving them of this when you wear a mask.

    No one likes, "wankers" in free chat. NO ONE. What are you doing in free chat to encourage them to actually pay you for that wank? Are you dancing, showing tit, ass, camel toe? You said, "no" but these are reasons for guys NOT to pay. Men will spend 20 minutes in PAID chat just waiting for you to take your top off just as they will spend 20 minutes in your FREE chat to see you take your top off. Every breast is unique and every woman is different. A tit isn't just a tit. Some of us have big aureola's, some of us have little ones.. a cup, b cup, c cup... it is one of the most magic parts of a woman's' body. Cleavage suffices. It leaves something to the imagination and if you are stubborn about it (but teasing enough) they will pay $100 just to find out what is hiding behind that amazing bra you have on.

    It seems to me you have the same issues I do which is you are much more inhibited on cam than you are perhaps in your real life for fear of being recognized. What I have come to realize is this; they are no less innocent if they do find you and if you adjust your appearance they can prove nothing. Just go with it (easier said than done).

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    3. What should I be doing in free chat. I'm already not getting naked and I don't show toys in free. I know porn is readily available, and teens can look and do look, but I will NOT allow them to see me. Plus, if you give it away for free why buy it in private? So, should I not even wear sexy lingerie? Should I just wear a sexy t shirt? The guys on cam love to push limits and get away with things. I know how veteran cam models feel about women doin things in free chat. I just want to know if I even go too far. Usually I wear a sexy outfit and I'll flirt around. I might turn around here and there to show that I have a nice figure, but I don't show ANYTHING. EVER. Not even my feet or toys. I talk about the toys I have, I even talk about what my body looks like, but they don't get anything if they aren't paying. Is teasing or even standing up to show my body style too much you think?
    Free chat came about because Russian studio models were stealing photo's, posting them on their profiles and when John Q Voyeur logged in they were pissed off to find out Miss 24-24-24 with big blonde hair was actually 44-55-55 with black hair. It was designed to show potential viewers that the person they are paying TO GET TO KNOW in PAID chat is indeed the person who is in paid chat. ... and that's another thing.. are you allowing them to get to know you in free chat? "Getting to know you first" is a paid service. Why? The guy who, "wants to get to know you first" either has no money to spend OR is extremely lonely and will pay you, "to get to know you".

    This is a sore spot for a lot of models but I am going to say it. I have been in this game since 1997 and am here again in 2012 so I do have slight knowledge. Call me obsolete, call me out of touch but the fact is men are very basic. They haven't changed, it's the guest chat game that has changed. It's an abused feature.

    Do NOT pull your tits out, dance around, bend over and "show ass bb" because "I need to see what you look like first" unless you want freeloaders, trolls and cheapskates. BULLSHIT! They can see very clearly what we look like. If it's not enough, direct them to your photo's. If they have questions about your show direct them to your profile. When you start describing what you do in your paid shows it is a paid service. DONT fall victim to the asshole who is asking you to verbally tease him in your free chat and understand just how important the female voice is to the male orgasm. How many times in your free chat have you been asked, "do you like young, BBC, little, 12 inch..." and after you answer, no matter what answer you give, they leave. They didn't want the answer. They needed your reaction and your voice to complete their orgasm.

    When you give it away for free, you will get just that, guys looking for something free. The ONLY two exceptions are the girls who have their own sites and can rely on their site members to pitch in, and the cheapskates who say, "show me bb and I'll take you pvt". 25% of them will take you private.. for 2 minutes..... and 75% will whack off to your tits and leave without giving you a private, and they will continue to return and do it again and again and again until you finally catch on. Use your own digression and better judgement because only you know your following. Yes, I'm sure there are some impulse buys into gold shows with it but overall? My opinion is you are working waaaay too hard and selling yourself waaay too short. Personally, I don't do it, but just because I say it's wrong doesn't mean what is wrong for me is wrong for everyone else. The question to ask yourself knowing guys will pay to see tits is are you a business woman or are you so desperate for a buck because "everyone else is doing it" that you succumb to the pressure and show your tits to the droves of freeloaders on social security and the teenagers that have faux member accounts on 7-11 bought cards purchased to troll SM. I made $1500 last week and it sure wasn't by showing shit for free. I also find my following appreciates me more when I say, "I have way too much respect for my following to give away for free what they pay their hard earned money for". They often tip me when I say it to show their appreciation. * please note: My bulk money comes from private chat. I do gold shows as fill ins when my following is over spent. This is also how I get $100 tips on my $150 goals.

    IF you choose to tease in free chat. There is an age old saying I learned from the original adult webmasters who were selling my indie site and advising me in general. A first impression is immediate. It takes all of 20 seconds to differentiate between attraction and disinterest. If someone is interested they will continue to engage you for up to 3 minutes at which point a decision has been made. That said.. the way I operate my free chat is on a dating or sex premise. They either want to date you or have sex with you, either of which becomes a paying member.

    That's not to say some silent lurker who has been watching you the last 3 months isn't going to finally convert, what it does mean is most shopping on these sites are either impulse buys or a calculated purchase. You need to get to know who is in your chat room to decide who is who and the only way to do this is to have a definite persona that you consistently project.



    Quote Originally Posted by NewCamGirl1 View Post
    4. Is SM really a good site to work for? No CB's are a good thing. But I've heard some really bad things about it. Is Ifriends better? I won't do MFC because I don't want to show my face and I know it won't work there at all.
    You can hop around from site to site and look for your following or you can have a set persona and have your following find you.

    Arguably, I find SM to be a great site. Yes, sure, there are days where I have lovers quarrels with my site (slow days, troll days.. etc) but that's all it is. A lovers quarrel. I have the utmost respect for Shawn (SM site manager) because he has been good to me. Yes, there have been days where I question his judgement but over-all.. 2 snaps up in a circle. He's great and so is SM.

    Ifriends was the first cam site. I have great respect for them for this reason but refuse to perform on the site for reasons only myself and ifriends know.

    Cams.com I disrespect because I know Tony personally but just as any relationship someone else will come along and say he's been great and Shawn is the devil.

    You are having a relationship with your site. Just as you choose individuals, you will choose your site.

    That said. To be successful in camming to know who it is you are trying to attract to your chat room and portraying the image that will attract them is what it means to be successful. It takes research if you don't know what that is. If you are playing your own self as an alter ego (meaning you are who you are but you choose a side of your own personality that works for you) it should come easy.
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    jeez, cvarga, I need another cup of coffee just to read your post.... LOL
    damn, its long!

    @NEwgirl...
    There are lots of insecurities that you posted about.
    what other people think of you and your self worth..and their self worth..
    what other kids would think of your kid if they knew his mom does this job.
    you dont want to show face/feet because what if they get off quick and wont pay..

    this is the problem.
    Once you get rid of these insecurities and see that they were only in your head, you might be confident enough to let the mask go..
    Once you let the mask go , you can try to be stressful.
    Like cvaga says you can alter your looks by wearing glass- glasses, wigs, heavy makeup, fake tattoos on your face , arms, neck(somewhere visible).
    Most women with lots of make-up on look nothing like they look in real life, without make-up.(you tube some make-up transformation tutorials)..

    Showing your face is mandatory for success in camming.
    Because people can see emotions on one;s face.
    Its not what they get from you, but what you give.
    Its the same thing, I know lol. but its not really...
    You have to allow them to get emotions from you so that they are willing to pay big bucks.
    If you;re after the big bucks...
    If you only want to make a little $ now and than.. then keep the mask.
    Nothing wrong with that.

    well, thats what I think......

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    More great Fridays wisdom!! ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    I'll bite......



    There are 29 second guys and there are 2 hour guys.

    First question, what are you charging? The lower your charge, the lower quality the viewer.
    Second question, what are you doing in your show? Are you engaging? What role are you playing (strip now, dildo fast or tease em and ease em in?)
    Third question, how much time are you putting into creating the image you want to create? Do you just hop on cam? Spend time & money first? What are you wearing? Is your profile conveying the same message you are sending in your shows? Do you stay consistent? Do you reinvent your shows or put on the same show over and over again?





    There are ways to alter your appearance without dawning a mask. Wigs, extensions, eyelashes, makeup, glasses... men want a woman they can relate to. They want to see your eyes. They want to see your lips. They want to see you smile.

    It doesn't matter if (I have a gap in my teeth) if you consider your smile to be imperfect because for every 400 surfers, 100 will love it. Hair is a fetish. Eyes are sexy, a smile is sexy. You are depraving them of this when you wear a mask.

    No one likes, "wankers" in free chat. NO ONE. What are you doing in free chat to encourage them to actually pay you for that wank? Are you dancing, showing tit, ass, camel toe? You said, "no" but these are reasons for guys NOT to pay. Men will spend 20 minutes in PAID chat just waiting for you to take your top off just as they will spend 20 minutes in your FREE chat to see you take your top off. Every breast is unique and every woman is different. A tit isn't just a tit. Some of us have big aureola's, some of us have little ones.. a cup, b cup, c cup... it is one of the most magic parts of a woman's' body. Cleavage suffices. It leaves something to the imagination and if you are stubborn about it (but teasing enough) they will pay $100 just to find out what is hiding behind that amazing bra you have on.

    It seems to me you have the same issues I do which is you are much more inhibited on cam than you are perhaps in your real life for fear of being recognized. What I have come to realize is this; they are no less innocent if they do find you and if you adjust your appearance they can prove nothing. Just go with it (easier said than done).



    Free chat came about because Russian studio models were stealing photo's, posting them on their profiles and when John Q Voyeur logged in they were pissed off to find out Miss 24-24-24 with big blonde hair was actually 44-55-55 with black hair. It was designed to show potential viewers that the person they are paying TO GET TO KNOW in PAID chat is indeed the person who is in paid chat. ... and that's another thing.. are you allowing them to get to know you in free chat? "Getting to know you first" is a paid service. Why? The guy who, "wants to get to know you first" either has no money to spend OR is extremely lonely and will pay you, "to get to know you".

    This is a sore spot for a lot of models but I am going to say it. I have been in this game since 1997 and am here again in 2012 so I do have slight knowledge. Call me obsolete, call me out of touch but the fact is men are very basic. They haven't changed, it's the guest chat game that has changed. It's an abused feature.

    Do NOT pull your tits out, dance around, bend over and "show ass bb" because "I need to see what you look like first" unless you want freeloaders, trolls and cheapskates. BULLSHIT! They can see very clearly what we look like. If it's not enough, direct them to your photo's. If they have questions about your show direct them to your profile. When you start describing what you do in your paid shows it is a paid service. DONT fall victim to the asshole who is asking you to verbally tease him in your free chat and understand just how important the female voice is to the male orgasm. How many times in your free chat have you been asked, "do you like young, BBC, little, 12 inch..." and after you answer, no matter what answer you give, they leave. They didn't want the answer. They needed your reaction and your voice to complete their orgasm.

    When you give it away for free, you will get just that, guys looking for something free. The ONLY two exceptions are the girls who have their own sites and can rely on their site members to pitch in, and the cheapskates who say, "show me bb and I'll take you pvt". 25% of them will take you private.. for 2 minutes..... and 75% will whack off to your tits and leave without giving you a private, and they will continue to return and do it again and again and again until you finally catch on. Use your own digression and better judgement because only you know your following. Yes, I'm sure there are some impulse buys into gold shows with it but overall? My opinion is you are working waaaay too hard and selling yourself waaay too short. Personally, I don't do it, but just because I say it's wrong doesn't mean what is wrong for me is wrong for everyone else. The question to ask yourself knowing guys will pay to see tits is are you a business woman or are you so desperate for a buck because "everyone else is doing it" that you succumb to the pressure and show your tits to the droves of freeloaders on social security and the teenagers that have faux member accounts on 7-11 bought cards purchased to troll SM. I made $1500 last week and it sure wasn't by showing shit for free. I also find my following appreciates me more when I say, "I have way too much respect for my following to give away for free what they pay their hard earned money for". They often tip me when I say it to show their appreciation. * please note: My bulk money comes from private chat. I do gold shows as fill ins when my following is over spent. This is also how I get $100 tips on my $150 goals.

    IF you choose to tease in free chat. There is an age old saying I learned from the original adult webmasters who were selling my indie site and advising me in general. A first impression is immediate. It takes all of 20 seconds to differentiate between attraction and disinterest. If someone is interested they will continue to engage you for up to 3 minutes at which point a decision has been made. That said.. the way I operate my free chat is on a dating or sex premise. They either want to date you or have sex with you, either of which becomes a paying member.

    That's not to say some silent lurker who has been watching you the last 3 months isn't going to finally convert, what it does mean is most shopping on these sites are either impulse buys or a calculated purchase. You need to get to know who is in your chat room to decide who is who and the only way to do this is to have a definite persona that you consistently project.





    You can hop around from site to site and look for your following or you can have a set persona and have your following find you.

    Arguably, I find SM to be a great site. Yes, sure, there are days where I have lovers quarrels with my site (slow days, troll days.. etc) but that's all it is. A lovers quarrel. I have the utmost respect for Shawn (SM site manager) because he has been good to me. Yes, there have been days where I question his judgement but over-all.. 2 snaps up in a circle. He's great and so is SM.

    Ifriends was the first cam site. I have great respect for them for this reason but refuse to perform on the site for reasons only myself and ifriends know.

    Cams.com I disrespect because I know Tony personally but just as any relationship someone else will come along and say he's been great and Shawn is the devil.

    You are having a relationship with your site. Just as you choose individuals, you will choose your site.

    That said. To be successful in camming to know who it is you are trying to attract to your chat room and portraying the image that will attract them is what it means to be successful. It takes research if you don't know what that is. If you are playing your own self as an alter ego (meaning you are who you are but you choose a side of your own personality that works for you) it should come easy.
    I charge 3.99 for Exclusive and 4.99 for premium as to deter having "peepers". Still, some men still take me premium for 4.99, I don't turn them down

    I don't tease in free. I wear something that covers my bum, like a skirt or panties, and a bra. I usually show only cleavage and a side view of my bum if lying on the bead. If sitting i show cleavage upward. That's about it. I have a masquerade mask. I used to wear a wig, I hated it. But I have had a bunch of guys say they love the mask so. And usually to get them to go private I start talking about my shows and what I can do I ask guys what they are into. Then once I get a few guys sticking around for more than a minute I'll talk about either how horny I am if they are "vanilla" or I'll be a total bitch if they are sissies or slaves. Usually in about 20 seconds I have a guy in private. For my slaves, they stay longer. The vanilla guys are dick in hand and going to town. Honestly, a guy called me yesterday on the phone service, heard me tell him to unzip my boyfriends pants (he was a closet bisexual) and put his hand in and he came...just from that. I was like oh really I didn't even say anything dirty. But I keep getting five stars so obviously they like the show, they aren't leaving because it's bad. But maybe I should do a sexy strip first.

    I DO NOT put my tits out, show my nipples, dance around, bounce my ass, bounce my tits, do a twirl, show my feet, show my tongue, show my underwear that I might have lying around, show my shoes...etc. I have had all those requests. I don't do it. You see enough to know what shape my body is, that way they know if I fit their personal preference, and they know enough to see that I have a pretty face and smile and pretty eyes. The whole "I need to see what you look like" doesn't work with me. Obviously they can see me. I usually call them out on it and when they whine I make fun of them for whining, call them a baby, pout at them and tell them to go to another room if they don't like it. It's the highlight of my day.

    I consistently project a certain persona. I don't change who I am day to day. My persona on cam is not my real life persona, but it is consistent.

    But hey, thanks. At least I now know that by not teasing in free it's the right thing to do according to people who have done this. Because a stroll around the site and chicks have their tits out and hoo ha's all over and men tell them to do this or that and they DO it for free. I just wanted to tell some Russian girl the other night "STOP! Why are you doing this when you can get PAID for it?" But that's their choice. A stupid choice.

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    Yeah, I don't see me letting those insecurities go just yet. It's not so much about my kid and any other kids that might find out, it's about how women are portrayed on tube sites. Personally I think it's really disgusting that they use foul language to describe the women on there. Like "Slut takes huge cock in her ass". Really? Couldn't they say "Hottie having amazing orgasm from anal?" or something a bit less derogatory. I am the change I wish to see in the world, but the world, at least the USA hasn't changed and I won't have my face and my ass full of a dildo in the same shot and let some asshole demean me like that. He can put my masked face up, it's still the same thing, but it's not recognizable as me. Sort of lessens the sting. I don't give a hoot about the sex part. I'll openly say that I do webcam modeling. Big deal. But I really despise men who are sexist pigs who treat women like objects and camming might be objectifying women to some, but in the end I get the last laugh because they are PAYING me. They are losing, not me. I don't have to touch them or know their name. They see me, they like it, they get off...I get $$$$$. I win. The mask will stay, if for no other reason than to pose a challenge. LOL. If I can just make 150 a day for the days I'm on I'm happy. Because once I get a job in the industry I'm trained in I'll probably stop camming because I'll make more than I do camming.

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    I've learned A LOT from this thread! Thanks so much for posting it NewCamGirl!
    I just gotta be me!

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    all day today i kept saying this aint burger king or mcdonalds u cant have it ur way till u pay then a guy was all i just want a sample im all this aint baskin robins either

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    No problem. I don't mind sharing what works for me. But hey, doing the right thing is better for business for all. I'm sure veteran cam girls know what works, and girls who do things for free hurt everyone. So, I didn't want to be one of those girls. And since I have to do sort of vanilla shows now I had NO IDEA what I was doing LOL.

    I get how to "make the sale" when it comes to toying with the heads of subs and bi boys. But when it comes to straight up horny men, I have no clue. I thought T&A was about all that mattered.

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    You should def look into SM then. Theres no nudity allowed in free chat there and Im pretty sure youre allowed to wear a mask there. Theres plenty of paying traffic there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewCamGirl1 View Post
    how women are portrayed on tube sites. Personally I think it's really disgusting that they use foul language to describe the women on there. Like "Slut takes huge cock in her ass". Really? Couldn't they say "Hottie having amazing orgasm from anal?" or something a bit less derogatory.
    Thread jack sorry, gotta clear this up:

    actually it is a fantasy (a type of submissive/humiliation fantasy); "nasty little cumslut"; "filthy cock grinding whore"; etc., etc. this is a fetish, a niche that i play up alot in my prvts. i have had a reg who would come in once a month and take me excl. and have hour long chats on the phone all about my "slutty sexcapades"- i get many guys who are into that sort of thing. i dont take offense to these terms; however they arent allowed to call me that in FREE CHAT; "you want to call me your little cum guzzling slut? - PRVT!"

    MANY things that are taboo like that in the real world are a fetish in the camming world as well, you will get used to these types of things over time. dont sweat it. the longer you cam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewCamGirl1 View Post
    Personally I think it's really disgusting that they use foul language to describe the women on there. Like "Slut takes huge cock in her ass". Really? Couldn't they say "Hottie having amazing orgasm from anal?" or something a bit less derogatory..
    because..........
    THIS brings in the traffic that you use to make money off...

    I used to hate it too...
    Now Im like... phhhh... do/say whatever you want.. just get me a room full of people ok?!

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    @newgirl.

    to me it sounds like you are really not in good spot, mentally speaking, in terms of what you think about what you do...
    God forbid that mask falls one day, by mistake, you;ll have a heart attack LOL.....

    Men are pigs?
    So then women are what...? LOL
    I dont know about you ..... but I know for sure I ( and other women ) have a pretty sick sexual imagination...
    And its all good...
    Its always both ways...
    you sound soooooooo righteous.

    Just curious now..
    How much would one have to pay you to take the mask off?

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    Im kind of with Fridays on this one...

    Your reasons for wearing a mask are different to say the least. Its also kind of strange that you only use the mask when camming solo but not when doing couples camming- because those videos do end up on tube sites as well, with just as 'offensive' tags as well...

    On a side note- if you decide to give it a go sans mask- there are things you can do to try to minimize the chances you'll be used in affiliate marketing. Playing copyrighted music during prvt sessions. Saying the customers name repeatedly during the session, Or simply contacting model support and asking politely for your content not to be used for affiliate marketing purposes. (on SM rumor has it if you have geo blocking enabled affiliates are not suppose to use your content for promotion- do they? I dont know but theyre not suppose to)

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    True, some men like calling women little sluts. I'll be honest, I'm such a man hater. I mean, I love men but I hate them, I love sex. I also love women. I can't lie, I'm a high maintenance ball busting feminist who supports women's sexuality to the max. Instead of being one of those feminists who says porn is bad because it portrays women as sluts, I say porn is good, society portrays women as sluts and we all know what society thinks about women who explore and even embrace their sexuality.

    So, I just can't go along with the porn tube sites. No way. In some fetish porn women are treated like sluts, that's ok. That IS a fantasy, everyone is playing along. But of all of the thousands of generic porn depicting women as whores, that's NOT a fantasy. That's just people being mean, rude, and inconsiderate. It's funny nobody is depicting men as brainless robots who are only good for what is between their legs in those descriptions.

    Tonight I tried a different routine and it worked. I put on more clothes, and didn't show my face at all. I got a ton of subs though, which is good. This started as a kid. I used to make my best friends brother play barbies with us by telling him that if he would play, he could be my "boyfriend". He had a cute crush on me, but instead I'd give him the ugliest Ken doll to play and make him my personal slave. Like, go get my car, go get my clothes, etc. LOL. It was non sexual, but I completely got some sort of satisfaction from it. And he was never my boyfriend, not even in Barbie world. I doubt if camming for a few months will change me because I don't want it to. Even in Kindergarten, I had three boys that I would make them do things for me. Like, get my backpack, put out my mat in a certain area if they were the ones who were selected to lay out the mats, I'd also make them save me seats at lunch, etc. And they would. I loved the fact that I could just say "do this" and they would.

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    @newgirl.

    to me it sounds like you are really not in good spot, mentally speaking, in terms of what you think about what you do...
    God forbid that mask falls one day, by mistake, you;ll have a heart attack LOL.....

    Men are pigs?
    So then women are what...? LOL
    I dont know about you ..... but I know for sure I ( and other women ) have a pretty sick sexual imagination...
    And its all good...
    Its always both ways...
    you sound soooooooo righteous.

    Just curious now..
    How much would one have to pay you to take the mask off?
    Oh no no, I'm not righteous. I Tan topless at the beach. I curse like a sailor. I enjoy getting in a group of religious women and dropping some goddamn jesus fucking christ swearing just to irritate them. Can't stand snippy old church lady soccer mom bitches. I'm about as irreligious as one can get and I'm definitely not a prude. I think I explained in the post above. To be honest, I'm a bit hypocritical. I turn the tables on men, I treat them like things to be used. Why, I don't know. Nothing bad ever happened to me and men have always been very nice to me. It just amuses me. But like I said, the mask it's not out of insecurity. I just see women doing every little thing men want and playing up to them and I want to puke. I'm like seriously, they will do anything if you just fuck with their head. Men like a woman who is a challenge, not one that is easy. It's ok to go out and get what you want, or have sex or whatever. But damn, make them jump through hoops for that.

    With the couples thing it was a new thing for us. And the poster is right, you have to show your face there. I didn't like the couples, it was too much of my husband having to dominate me and blow jobs. Normally, in my real life I usually make my husband all about me, not me all about him. And then if he satisfies me, he gets a reward. But it doesn't work that way in couples cam. Plus he was a bit turned off by being a "stunt cock" so I doubt that's going to be a big thing for us.

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    This is so fascinating.... lol! Thanks for these awesome opinions.... more posts, please! :-))))))
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    What I DO have issues with, is that this was a couple of years ago And Judas is still in the freezer.

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