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    1) How would you handle the situation if you found out a fellow performer was routinely purchasing your shows and recording them for the purpose of reproducing your shows as his/hers in their own private shows or pray tell.. as a tease show in their guest chat?

    We all have certain things in our shows we do or say that is unique to us as individuals. Lets say you spent several hours detailing a storyline designed for you to play off of, not as the same story over and over again but kind of like an outline for you to use during your shows. Or what if you invented a new type of foot job/blowjob/whatever-sex-act technique that no one else is doing yet, or maybe you choreographed your own strip tease dance that you designed to be able to be reused by yourself in different sequences (You know how you have spaces to fill, like segways?).

    2) How would you handle the situation if you found out it wasn't just the performer but her husband or boyfriend or lover or even another cam girl was encouraging this person, and this person has been a permanent fixture in your gold shows and free chat unbeknownst to you? You knew they were there but you thought it was a regular, not another performer.

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but would it upset you? Do you consider this to go hand in hand with the business? Do we have unwritten rules of ethics that we just know there are some things you really just shouldn't do? We all watch each other and pick up tips from one another on occasion but at what point is it considered crossing the line? Is there such a thing as crossing the line in this business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    1) How would you handle the situation if you found out a fellow performer was routinely purchasing your shows and recording them for the purpose of reproducing your shows as his/hers in their own private shows?

    We all have certain things in our shows we do or say that is unique to us as individuals. Lets say you spent several hours detailing a storyline designed for you to play off of, not as the same story over and over again but kind of like an outline for you to use during your shows. Or what if you invented a new type of foot job/blowjob/whatever-sex-act technique that no one else is doing yet, or maybe you choreographed your own strip tease dance that you designed to be able to be reused by yourself in different sequences (You know how you have spaces to fill, like segways?).

    2) How would you handle the situation if you found out it wasn't just the performer but her husband or boyfriend or lover or even another cam girl was encouraging this person, and this person has been a permanent fixture in your gold shows and free chat unbeknownst to you? You knew they were there but you thought it was a regular, not another performer.

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but would it upset you? Do you consider this to go hand in hand with the business? Do we have unwritten rules of ethics that we just know there are some things you really just shouldn't do? We all watch each other and pick up tips from one another on occasion but at what point is it considered crossing the line? Is there such a thing as crossing the line in this business?
    Honestly I doubt any performer cares enough to actually do that. Just about the ONLY reason a performer would do that is if they saw you making fucktons of money and wanted to be a similar character to you, but even then they wouldn't be in every goldshow, they'd just purchase/watch a bunch and develop their own style off of yours. Are you sure you're not just obsessively paranoid?

    Because, seriously, no one really cares that much. People are wayyyy too selfish to care that much. But anyway, even celebrities have immitated each other decade after decade... but for their own person inspiration & gain ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$) of course. Not because they obsessively care about that person.

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    I'm asking how you might handle the situation if it happened to you personally. Do we have unwritten rules/lines we know better than to cross? or should it be expected/accepted that performers will do this to one another?

    Personally I think it's crossing the line but there are many different performers here with many different mindsets.

    I dunno why but your post seemed to be more of a challenge than a response to my question. No offense. Maybe it's just the way I read it. I'll read it again

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    I'd be annoyed that they couldn't be original enough to come up with their own material, but what would you even do about it? No sense wasting time (= potential money) trying to slander her name on camsites out of anger. I do think it's a shitty line to cross but also realize it could and does happen. People copy. There's no real rule against it - it's just shady and kinda pathetic. The only thing you can do is take solace in the fact that no matter what, she's never going to be able to put on a show exactly like you, block her from your room, and try to keep coming up with fresh ideas to stay ahead.
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    Ban the "customer" who is recording you if you know who it is. I'm not sure if you're just seeing someone imitate you and assuming they're buying your shows or if someone has come to you with proof. But wouldn't you have to be buying their shows to know if they're imitating yours?

    Copyright your "act"? (if that's even possible)

    Otherwise, there's nothing you can do. People don't generally abide by "unwritten rules" and ethics in this business anymore. You can't expect them to, & you cannot make other people's boundaries for them. I think you're gonna cause yourself a lot of frustration if you think you have much power over what others do or don't do in camming.

    Someone did something similar to me when I first started. I didn't do anything about it. But you know what? She no longer has an account on SM. She's had a couple and she always failed. She's not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvarga View Post
    I'm asking how you might handle the situation if it happened to you personally. Do we have unwritten rules/lines we know better than to cross? or should it be expected/accepted that performers will do this to one another?

    Personally I think it's crossing the line but there are many different performers here with many different mindsets.

    I dunno why but your post seemed to be more of a challenge than a response to my question. No offense. Maybe it's just the way I read it. I'll read it again
    Ignore it and keep making $$$$ because obviously you're making some if people are copying you. Life is really not that serious.

    Now, if I was losing revenue due to it, I would confront that person, trademark and copyright everything I could so she/he can't steal it, and then move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Model_Jess View Post
    Ban the "customer" who is recording you if you know who it is. I'm not sure if you're just seeing someone imitate you and assuming they're buying your shows or if someone has come to you with proof. But wouldn't you have to be buying their shows to know if they're imitating yours?

    Copyright your "act"? (if that's even possible)

    Otherwise, there's nothing you can do. People don't generally abide by "unwritten rules" and ethics in this business anymore. You can't expect them to, & you cannot make other people's boundaries for them. I think you're gonna cause yourself a lot of frustration if you think you have much power over what others do or don't do in camming.

    Someone did something similar to me when I first started. I didn't do anything about it. But you know what? She no longer has an account on SM. She's had a couple and she always failed. She's not me.
    I don't want to get into too much detail but I did suspect a specific performer of doing it. It wasn't until that performer had a falling out with another performer who is a real life friend did I realize to what extent. I never had any proof so I couldn't report her to the site but even if I did have proof the fact is, just like you said, there are no rules against it. I do think she is a major sleazebag for it though.

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    And just for the record, I would never outright copy someone's show or style. I think that's pathetic and I personally believe it is crossing the line. However, I think copying some aspects of people's show/style who you believe are successful, compiling aspects of other's game, and generally composing who your cam persona is from the successes of others, etc... that's just being a good businesswoman. I suppose some people's lines are a bit more permeable where that's concerned.

    But I think if you reported it to the site they'd be like "and... what exactly do you think we can do about that?" No offense, but there are just no "rules" being broken and why would the site care if you're both making them money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Model_Jess View Post
    And just for the record, I would never outright copy someone's show or style. I think that's pathetic and I personally believe it is crossing the line. However, I think copying some aspects of people's show/style who you believe are successful, compiling aspects of other's game, and generally composing who your cam persona is from the successes of others, etc... that's just being a good businesswoman. I suppose some people's lines are a bit more permeable where that's concerned.

    But I think if you reported it to the site they'd be like "and... what exactly do you think we can do about that?" No offense, but there are just no "rules" being broken and why would the site care if you're both making them money?
    There is a little more to the story that's being left out, I'm really just addressing the issue that got my steam engines wailing which was the recording (that in itself) and the reusing (that in itself). To me it's a double slap and it made my whistle blow. I blew my fuse.

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    Well, if you have proof of the recording, then I think you should report that. Why not? You'd report it if it was "just" a customer. The fact that it's a model will make it even more likely that SM will ban the customer account and possibly even the model account of that person. If you have proof.

    I understand there's probably more to the story. But of course we can only answer what you've asked. I hope it works out for you. I would've been very mad too.

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    Theres nothing you can do about someone copying you, or rather trying to copying your routine. Because even if they recorded it and played it a thousand times, its never going to be exactly the same as how you did it.

    It does suck though because now your one of a kind routine is not so one of a kind anymore... To be honest there are only so many ways to strip, so many ways to remove a bra, so many ways to stroke a dildo. Props to you for coming up with "a new type of foot job/blowjob/whatever-sex-act technique that no one else is doing yet", but by your own words- no one was doing 'yet'. Meaning once you started doing you somewhat knew in the back of your mind, someone would see-copy-it would catch on and become a trend. So she was the first. If its a good move, it will become a trend and can alteast take pride in the fact that you started it maybe?

    I wouldnt abandon the 'move'. After all if it is a good one theres no reason to give it up. Banning the model and her accomplice if you havent already done so is probably a good idea, but they probably will come back under a new name or as guests because they see youre talented and are looking to you for inspiration and ideas.

    Just stay focused on your hustle and keep coming up with new show ideas and moves, and dont be afraid to implement them.

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    Report it. But really, nobody can copy you anyway. Most people who look at others for inspiration is just that, inspiration. The point of inspiration is for ideas to make oneself better, not to copy someone exactly. I look for decoration inspiration, but I take the idea, and put my own spin on it to personalize it. That could be their idea. Because really, if they try to copy you, they will fail.

    You can do all the sex moves you want, but in the end, personality and the fact you ENJOY your job is what people will care about most. I refuse to do certain things that I know isn't going to turn me on. I tell guys who are vanilla straight up, look, I do best with sissies or bi guys, if you want to go pvt fine, but that's all on you. People in my room value my realness I think better than whether or not I do some trick with a dildo.

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