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    Default Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    In having a discussion in the chat the other day, I wanted to hear model's thoughts on the subject of tip/token sites and other sites where it is also advertised as "free" to the viewer. I heard several opinions on the matter where many were very strongly against tip sites such as MFC, Chaturbate, etc because so many girls give away shows for free or for very little and how the standard is set so that most viewers sort of "wait" to see what they can get for free. Also many will beg the model or often just go into rooms where they can see what they want for free making it difficult for cam girls to really profit off of these sites in comparison to places that have private shows.

    What are your thoughts? Do you hate tip sites or does MFC pay your bills? Or maybe a tip site works for you however you may even still think they could be a bad thing.

    Do you think tip/token sites will ruin the cam industry for other models by eventually making it so viewers can basically see whatever they want for free because so many other girls offer it? That many viewers have now stopped paying for shows and becoming freeloaders thus making private shows even harder to get? I think you get my drift of what I'm asking.

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    most of the free chat cum shows and masturbation is shit, awful bollocks. painful to watch. usually some $2 whore who looks the part. no1 wants to fap to that sorry. guys will pay 2 see the proper shows.

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    Camming on a site where you perform in free chat and earn tips is a totally different job then one where you solicit customers in free chat to take you prvt. Presently there are demands for both jobs and I really dont see that changing in the future.

    Not every member is looking for that 'free show' or wants to be part of a group. A lot of them are looking for one on one interaction and thats something that isnt easily available on tip based sites. So as long as that need exists, prvts, and prvt based sites will still exist.


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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    I agree 100% with Annabellz. I do not think it is killing us per say. I do think something is changing with camming though.


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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    I don't work tip-based sites, would never want to, yet I don't think they're 'bad' for the industry either. One positive thing about popular tip-based sites is that they help expose potential customers to camming. Some of those guys, like Annabellz and Evil stated, will prefer private one-on-one shows and will pay for the pleasure

    I tend to assume that everyone knows about camming because I'm exposed to it every day, but at least once every few weeks I do a show with a guy who is brand new, not only to indy camming, but to camming in general. Just last night I did a show with a guy who had just learned about Chaturbate and heard one of the chicas there talking about skype. He liked the sound of that kinda show, so he went looking for indy cam chicas and found me. He could have easily gone looking for a site like sm instead, which offers the same sort of private one-on-one experience.

    I will never understand chicas who will entertain dudes for free, in any way, because that's not something I have the patience for. I don't consider tip-based sites a threat in the slightest, however. I ultimately think they help, not hurt the industry-at least in the short term. Long term...I don't have a crystal ball, but I would imagine that as technology develops so will the additional features and benefits available in one-on-one private shows. As for the tip-based sites, all the tech in the world can't replace intimacy. The one thing tip-based sites will never be able to provide is private, one on one interaction that some guys (the ones with the most $$$$, not incidentally) are seeking when they visit us.

    As far as advertising shows as 'free', that's a time tested tradition in advertising of all forms. Hell, even some sm affiliates and white labels advertise 'free' cams. That doesn't bother me as much as a site that I DO work that advertises indy shows for "as little as $1 per min". Most people hear 'free' and think it's a gimmick, whereas advertising low paid rates attracts broke wanna-be customers who want the world for $10.

    So yeah...meh.
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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    Confusion is what is killing everything.
    Is it free? is it not?
    is it $1? is it $7?

    Basic business theories explain how easy and simple everything that is presented to a potential customer should be.
    Should be.
    but again and again......
    who said that people who are running these sites has any business degrees?

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    I just wish sites with free chat would emphasize that CHAT is free...not a whole god damn personal sex show for you!

    I used to try free chat all the time..but since xpeeps ended I don't think there's another one I'll be quick to be loyal to. It's not too bad when you're just editing some vids or responding to emails anyway, and helps break that work up. But profitable? Err...no.

    As for killing the industry, by all means no. Even if girls weren't giving shows for free, their shows may end up somewhere else for free for someone. There's tube sites everywhere, free porn all over the place. BUT every man has an ego, and most inflate well when being able to spoil a girl for some special time.
    I agree that free chat sites are what help most guys find the camming world. Probably most of the spenders started out as guests asking for boobs. There's newbs with everything. They see others begging and they beg, but we all get tired of begging eventually

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    Whelp, the only tip/token site I've had any degree of success with is xpeeps so I am a bit limited in my thinking. I started camming on a per minute sit and am still with them to this day so I am perhaps a bit biased. I don't think that tip sites where free shows are there for the taking is ruining camming, but I do think it's changing the way camming operates, both for the viewer and the model.

    I am starting to see tip based sites where public cum shows are the norm as a lot like watching free porn tube sites, from the casual consumer's perspective. You can go to pornhub or xhamster right now and find some hardcore porn, or you can go to mfc or chaturbate and just as easily find a model doing a live dildo show at this very moment (or actual live b/g sex on chaturbate or cam4). What's the difference to the casual consumer who has no intention of making a member account and just wants a quick wank? I do not see the difference.

    But, to that special type of customer who forms a personal attachment to his favorite cam models and combines his adult content consumption with social media? I can see how he's drawn to these tip based sites. He's going to pay for shows regardless because he values the relationship he has formed with a girl, and tip based sites not only give him the opportunity to indulge in that show, but it also gives him a certain degree of "prestige" and "rank" on the site. It's not enough for him to take a girl exclusive and enjoy her privately. He wants the whole world to see that HE is the one who is making the show happen. He relishes in the fact that the model gives him special attention because he is her high tipper, and he likes having an audience when he is being generous because it boosts his sense of self-importance. It makes him feel sexy because a beautiful woman is fawning over him (/his tips) AND it makes him feel superior to the other guys in the room because it's his wallet that can afford to make things happen and theirs can't. Of course, all guys want to be admired. They want to swoop in and flaunt their money, letting everyone know they're a baller. So tipping wars start, and the model profits, IF she is able to build and maintain a loyal stable of regs. So these tip based sites become a whole subculture, where the uninitiated perceive it to be just another form of free porn, but for the connoisseurs it's gratifying on so many different levels.

    Now for the girls who don't work on these tip based sites and choose to stick to per minute privates, it still makes her step her game up. Because it's no longer just about live sex acts, but it's about how tailored you can make your shows to what your viewers want. It's no longer enough to look sexy; customers can get free "sexy" on tip sites. They are still willing to spend on per minute sites because they have specific desires which a tip show for 100 guys simply cannot indulge, purely due to the nature of the beast. So now us per minute girls have to approach camming from more of a psychological angle, really. It's not just a phsyical show, it's literally become more of a mind fuck, in my opinion.

    So that's why I don't think that tip sites are "killing" the cam industry, but I DO think they are making all of us work a bit more intelligently and are forcing us to go above and beyond merely spreading the poom poom for gold.
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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    I think having the word "free" in the name of the site is a seriously bad idea and sends out completely the wrong message. I don't and never want to work on a tip based site.


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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    As long as there a super picky guys. The answer is no. What if the girls doing free shows aren't exactly what the picky guy is looking for? Or what if he wants to see something specific? I notice a lot of guys would rather not pay for a show for free loaders. I make more off private than anything. My biggest spenders on mfc spend for individual attention despite the free shows going on. Even if another girl they visit is doing something free they still come to me. There is a guy on mfc who lurks the rooms and just hangs out when he's broke. He's not much of a tipper at least not to me. But when he has money even if this other girl he visits is online doing a public show he still comes to me and spends a couple hundred in pvt every time bc he's really specific about what he wants to see me do and hear me say. People like him keep privates alive.

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    I think they already have ruined it. Personally I'd love if all cam sites were strictly ppm, OR that strict rules about free chat were enforced, so free is literally a place where a guy can get an idea of what a girl looks and sounds like (although even this is generous as they can clearly see that through galleries/ videos). And yeah "free" should be taken OUT of any camsite advertising, because it just attracts losers.
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    Yeah, I will put in my opinion on this in regards to the "free" being in the name of the site...TOTALLY wrong message despite it's ability to get site traffic. Cam sites that hand out paychecks to models should NEVER be advertised or marketed as "free". Stupid idea. I agree it attracts moochers and freeloaders.

    Someone was talking to me about it recently as such. Pretend you went to a concert. You paid good money for this concert. You show up and get your seat and are ready for the show and then a bunch of people come in who didn't have to buy a ticket or pay anything and they get to stand right next to you watching the same thing...but for free. You would be pissed right? This is why I don't like tip sites. It does seem to generate a lot of guys into thinking if you just hang around you can stop in on someone else's show for free.

    Supposedly girls aren't supposed to be doing full on 'shows' in public but I see crazy shit happening all the time in public on there. If these rules were enforced I think more girls would have luck and there would be less mooching. I mean, admittedly if I got tipped 1000 tokens or whatever, yes, I'd want to show the dude my tits or even do a diddle show. However it doesn't seem really fair when it boils down to it I suppose....unless everyone chipped in. And that doesn't seem to be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    Someone was talking to me about it recently as such. Pretend you went to a concert. You paid good money for this concert. You show up and get your seat and are ready for the show and then a bunch of people come in who didn't have to buy a ticket or pay anything and they get to stand right next to you watching the same thing...but for free. You would be pissed right?
    One thing to remember about tip-based sites (I'm thinking mfc in particular) is that part of what guys are buying when they tip in public chat is the gratitude and esteem of other guys in the room. I'm thinking in particular about what I've heard about the mfc 'big boys' club...the cam chica is almost secondary to what these guys are really after, which is to feel/appear like a baller amongst their other males peers in the room

    in a tip-based free chat environment these guys can also buy an ego stroking from the cam chica he tips, if he's tipping far more than other guys in the room

    then some guys probably tip just because their decent human beings and they recognize that the cam chica deserves to get paid for the entertainment she provides

    In noting this, I'm not criticizing tip-based sites. They are what they are. All I'm saying is that, as in many other forms and niches of camming, a sexual experience is often a secondary to what customers are really seeking. As such, I don't think the concert analogy really translates.

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    Supposedly girls aren't supposed to be doing full on 'shows' in public but I see crazy shit happening all the time in public on there. If these rules were enforced I think more girls would have luck
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    Default Private chat going downhill?

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    Nah, I make the most money in pvt and excl

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    On which site?
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    90% of my income on cam is from privates & exclusives. Last night made more in exclusives than in private. Depends upon the site you work on & your hustle.

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    Oh yes, Streamate is a private based site and it's totally going downhill. This is the end of Streamate, it's over!

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    It was just a question, wasn't related to streamate, I see some sites like xcams and xlovecam trying to get into the free shows area

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    In that case...


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    I work streamate pretty much exclusively. I'm in paid chat 70% of the time, on average. I have operated only using classic chat from day one. I've never used party chat nor gold shows. Last night I was at 87% paid chat until 8pm EST...and then it just died. Took a break and cammed for about 3 more hours...finished up at 64%. I'd say, for SM at least, PVT and EXCL is still kicking a$$

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    90% of my income on Streamate is private and exclusive, I definitely don't think it's dying.

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