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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    But is there really a such thing as a "vanilla" guy? Do they really exist? I think men generally know where to get off. For heterosexual men sometimes it might be some chick on twitch who's fully clothed or a youtuber who talks about gaming. But I think that same guy also hangsout on Chaturbate or wherever. Finding out where they're most likely to spend their money has been my primary mission. I think there may be more women who we could call "vanilla" more than anyone else and as a result men aren't able to go into full pervert mode. So they'll have to pretend to be vanilla. Women and our current buying power are what's making these platforms decide what adspots to run. I swear this is all so interesting because going forward we are the ones who will decide what mainstream is. We have to know how to spot these trends and know what to do with them ahead of time I think. That goes for the adult industry as well.

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    When I say these platforms and ad spots I'm speaking of Instagram,Facebook, Youtube etc

    Here's an article from Forbes about Women and our economic buying power. https://www.forbes.com/sites/bridget.../#7f7cf6729562

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    We seriously need to start working on our own sex industry related conventions run by women. Something like what Blogher did! That doesn't mean that all genders aren't welcomed but we really have to start organizing our own shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    But is there really a such thing as a "vanilla" guy? Do they really exist? I think men generally know where to get off. For heterosexual men sometimes it might be some chick on twitch who's fully clothed or a youtuber who talks about gaming. But I think that same guy also hangsout on Chaturbate or wherever. Finding out where they're most likely to spend their money has been my primary mission. I think there may be more women who we could call "vanilla" more than anyone else and as a result men aren't able to go into full pervert mode. So they'll have to pretend to be vanilla. Women and our current buying power are what's making these platforms decide what adspots to run. I swear this is all so interesting because going forward we are the ones who will decide what mainstream is. We have to know how to spot these trends and know what to do with them ahead of time I think. That goes for the adult industry as well.
    No, there aren't really "vanilla" men, but I think there is still an untapped market of guys that haven't figured out that they want a cam model or why they should visit a cam site.

    I think most guys would happily fap to most women that they know and think of in a positive light. They'd fap to their favorite YT stars and actresses, their wife's friends, coworkers, etc. They might even declare that they'd pay good money to see Woman X naked. The problem is that, as far as they know, none of these women are ever getting naked for them, so they put the thought aside.

    Instead, they go fap to free porn. They might wish they could get to know the actress a little better or see more of her, but they don't think that will happen, so they nut and get on with their day.

    They may know a thing or two about cam sites, but they mostly see it as a paid porn site. They don't bother visiting because they get off just fine with free porn. They haven't put 2 and 2 together yet. They'd like to fap to women they "know," but never get the chance. They'd like to "know" the women they fap to, but never get the chance.

    Then one day, while fucking around on IG, Twitter, or maybe Cammu, not really looking for anything sexual, the guy stumbles upon yet another woman that seems cool, and he'd like to fap to her. He watches and feels a nice connection to her. He's about to write off anything sexual, when suddenly she drops a hint that one could see her naked elsewhere. One thing leads to another, and suddenly the heavens open and he understands the point of cam models.

    Am I being naive to think that guys like this still exist? Do most men already know all about camming?

    I just really doubt that this type of market is anywhere close to saturated. Surely there are non-internet-natives that haven't fully explored the possibilities at their fingertips, and there are younger guys that are so used to free porn that they don't think outside that box. Plus, people talk a lot about Millenials, but the first Gen Z kids are turning 18 in 2019, and we don't really know what their spending habits will be. I bet there's all kinds of money waiting for models and companies that can successfully convert guys from "I don't really see the point" to customers.

    You're right that the question is where and how to capture that money.
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    Actually, I believe that there are vanilla men but they rare. However, I think they are men who get off to more mundane things than the average guy. Also the "vanilla guy" wants to get off to a girl that he could see as her girlfriend or wife. So, he might jack off to a twitch gaming girl or youtuber makeup guru instead of porn star. Because he wants to have more of emotional connection with this girl."Vanilla" guys might also be very inexperience in real life and just need to a cute yet fun girl to interact with them.Thus, the non-nude market appears to this type of man as much as it appears to the fetish man. Personally, I think that is untapped market that can really be exploited by more cam models and sites if they choose to.

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    But is there really a such thing as a "vanilla" guy? Do they really exist? I think men generally know where to get off. For heterosexual men sometimes it might be some chick on twitch who's fully clothed or a youtuber who talks about gaming. But I think that same guy also hangsout on Chaturbate or wherever. Finding out where they're most likely to spend their money has been my primary mission. I think there may be more women who we could call "vanilla" more than anyone else and as a result men aren't able to go into full pervert mode. So they'll have to pretend to be vanilla. Women and our current buying power are what's making these platforms decide what adspots to run. I swear this is all so interesting because going forward we are the ones who will decide what mainstream is. We have to know how to spot these trends and know what to do with them ahead of time I think. That goes for the adult industry as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    We seriously need to start working on our own sex industry related conventions run by women. Something like what Blogher did! That doesn't mean that all genders aren't welcomed but we really have to start organizing our own shit.
    Yes I agree. In the UK there is already a couple of orgs, and yes they do some good work (I.e over the age verification stuff), but they are mainly made up of men, and more and more of them are studio owners and affiliates. So it becomes more and more about THEIR interests making money off models, and less about real industry issues. Models really need to take this shit back before its out of our hands entirely.
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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    Not the sites but some of the models on these sites.Some of the models are so dumb that they go spread pussy for no tokens , sell 20 videos for any tip or chat to fucking freeloaders in pm. If these girls had more brains they would make more money and guys would be forced to actually give tokens before being contacted in pm by a desperate model willing to show pussy for free or five tokens.

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    As a Domme I have a hard time with the concept of tipping sites for my type of hustle. I can see thing based sites being amazing for other performers. I have had apprehensions but I am joining up with a few and am going to experiment. My image could very well help me stand out, or it could blow up in my face lol. First and foremost I realized I am an entertainer. I am not an entitled Domme that demands tributes for no reason. I am an entertainer first, always.

    I have been on sm for some time now and the sure is getting stale. The site is still in the dark ages and has too many limitations. Being unable to share a wishlist, social media links etc is bs. Then you have a certain few models who seem to get away with it with no issues. Smh. Streamate is having serious issues with connectivity. Members are getting tired of it as are models.

    I really put some thought into transitioning to tipping sites, but decided to go with bonga because it is a smaller scale. When I am ready I will try mfc, cb. I do wonder about the future and tipping sites. I see this is the direction the industry is headed, but these type of sites may not operate the way they have been in the future. Eventually these sites will be under scrutiny and I feel moderating the sites will be enforced in the near future. This is a good thing. The other reason why ppm will suffer is that ppv sites are far and few in between nowadays. I can't find a single new ppm site that is worth a mention. Camming is so individual but imdead and lj have never made me any decent money.

    Competition though? It is like fast food. Die hard McDonald's fans will never go to Burger King. People who want burgers will not go to Chick-fila. However, the amount of tipping seem to outnumber ppm sites. This is the sole reason why I am exploring this avenue. Seriously what ppm sites exist nowadays that are worth mentioning? Aside from SM lol.
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    Sorry for all of the typos above bbies. I use path input and I am sure you can all decipher what I am saying cause we have to de-code typos on a daily basis lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComaRose View Post
    Sorry for all of the typos above bbies. I use path input and I am sure you can all decipher what I am saying cause we have to de-code typos on a daily basis lol.
    Its okay I hooked you up with some paragraphs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorothea View Post
    Not the sites but some of the models on these sites.Some of the models are so dumb that they go spread pussy for no tokens , sell 20 videos for any tip or chat to fucking freeloaders in pm. If these girls had more brains they would make more money and guys would be forced to actually give tokens before being contacted in pm by a desperate model willing to show pussy for free or five tokens.
    I don't think that's a fair statement. Why knock another models hustle even if you don't agree with it? It obviously either works for them (not sure how that affects you because it isn't YOUR product or service they are selling) or else it doesn't work and they will either quit camming because they realize they aren't making money, or they learn and adapt their hustle based off the experience.

    I don't think there's a reason to name call, maybe they aren't educated about the best way to hustle yet? Maybe instead of calling them dumb and desperate we should start demanding for the sites they work on to train them how to sell appropriately, start putting some of that responsibility on them... or if it bothers you so much, how about you offer them some advice and help train them to be the kind of model that you wish to see the industry be about? Or, let them fail (because with a bad business model like that they won't last long) and then they are gone anyway. Just a thought..

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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    Streamate is still my one true love
    tip/token sites have not influenced my income nor do goldshows influence my income (I dont offer goldshows)
    my per hour rate is still increasing, and I love to be able to go all the way up to 20 a minute

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    You as a model make or break your own income.
    Even when surrounded by 0 gold goldsow I can sell findom shows, its all possible. And no I dont think tip/token sites will be killing the cam industry. Free porn doesnt, token sites will not neither.

    There will always be money for a good solid hustler who is determined and ready to improve and excel every second while being online
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    Default Re: Are tip/token sites killing the cam industry? Your thoughts!

    I always cringe a little when I see models call other models dumb. It feels weird especially when I know some of us have made poor decsions in regards to their own chatroom behavior and how they interact with members.

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    One models hustle doesn't affect yours, if customers say another performer will do it cheaper. Then why isn't he in her room?

    For 26 years & there is plenty of free pics & videos all over the web of my boobs. Yet, every time I log on, I get men to pay to see them again. So I have plenty of competition with myself.

    In the end, it is your job to convert them into a sale. Some don't know better, some work in studios & their boss tells them this is how to make money. Lots of new girls are told by the customers that this will make them money. They made need to make less money than you do.

    There are many reasons, but at the end of the day, it is what each of make it to be for ourselves. Those performers do bring in traffic & if they can't convert those guys into a sale, let me try.

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    Never put all your eggs in one basket.

    Learning to hustle on a token site over a private based one only makes you a better hustler in general. I've seen sites rise & I've seen them fall. Customers are the one thing for me that is a constant. It is to them, I owe my loyalty too.

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    At present, I'm mostly on SM. Tip sites,IMO, bring out the cheap dudes, who think our math is so terrible, that we don't know the real value of their tokens......

    Also, I think all sites are evolving........and will continue to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical_Hoohah View Post
    If token styles are infiltrating private sites, it's probably more because girls want to be able to cater to all the markets. Basically, if a guy can only afford a flash or lovense buzz, take his money; if a guy can afford a long fetish private at 9.99/min, take his money. If a company (or cam model) is smart about it, it's possible and profitable to cater to customers at various price points and product needs.
    Exactly so. I've been enjoying SM a lot more since I expanded my tip menu & started to flirt with my freechat dudes. It helps that the minimum tip on SM is 1 gold, which is a damn site better than 1 token.

    Thing is, token/freechat hustle sells a spectacle to an audience, whereas private hustle sells intimacy to a client. I don't for a second believe that the latter market will ever disappear, although I do see it shifting gradually to indy sites, leaving big box sites mostly for the spectacle to rule.

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    Big box sites are not going anywhere.

    There are plenty of great guys on the token sites too. It can be just as intimate. Having several men tip you in competition for your attention can add up really quick. I get some of my best spenders from token sites that cross over to my pay site & clip stores.

    The exposure of having 300 to 2000 men in my cam room helps me build a brand in general. Currently have 2 guys from CB who never bought tokens before or spent money on porn. Happy as can be that they paid for a membership to my solo site.. Have no doubt next time I log onto CB this next week they will be here waiting for me with tokens to tip me too. Then those 2 will also go onto spend money on other lovely ladies.

    They only know the free porn biz model, they needed a bit of education aka a sales pitch to convert them. If I had the attitude that they are all freeloaders & worthless, never would have gotten two more wonderful paying customers. Of course there are bad apples & some who will never pay for it, but it is easy to block them too.

    It took me about 8 months of blocking majority of them, but not really an issue for me now when I do cam, or even on social media. Rarely do I deal with beggars, guess they have learned & can't be pestered into anything.

    In a normal business, those are called sales leads. Companies even in porn pay good money for those sales leads.

    Men think, it don't hurt to try. I think it doesn't hurt to flip the script on them & pester them into paying for it.

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    The key component of being a cam model is being on webcam providing shows and other online content.

    Token sites, Private Sites, Independent Cam shows, even building a membership site with a weekly cam show. Which ever you pick it its better to pick one and master it and depending on your goal branch out. or just maximize your time online and invest in other ventures even it's outside of adult work all together.

    It all boils down to building your audience, keeping your audience engaged and then selling to your audience. It's a lot easier to pick a few strategies as possible and master them. it's a lot easier to build your cam model persona , and branch out into other industries outside of camming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    One models hustle doesn't affect yours, if customers say another performer will do it cheaper. Then why isn't he in her room?
    Gotta love it when they try to troll freechat and do the "LOL 12,99 pvt" "bitch"
    WHILE i am performing in private, adding up the $

    While they complain and nag they get me more customers by me turning their shit into gold, and using them to convert new custies.
    I love freechat for that reason, every minute looking for new sales and custies to make. Never a dull moment
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    Totally off topic fangirling, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    For 26 years & there is plenty of free pics & videos all over the web of my boobs. Yet, every time I log on, I get men to pay to see them again. So I have plenty of competition with myself.
    For some reason this reminded me of a while back, I was talking to my bf about work, and I mentioned that there was this really business minded woman on the forum named Sam38g. My bf literally stopped me in the middle of a crowded sidewalk and asked, "Wait, Sam38g, like THE Sam38g?" I was like, "She's a blonde BBW with really huge tits. I think she might be kind of big in porn. Do you know her?" (Forgive me, Sam, I don't watch that much porn, so I only know you from here.) He was like, "Obviously I don't know her, but I know her videos! Wait... you get to talk to Sam38g...? *grumble, grumble*" It was kind of a cool moment.

    Anyway, back to the topic...
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    I'm not other models, its not slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical_Hoohah View Post
    Totally off topic fangirling, sorry.


    For some reason this reminded me of a while back, I was talking to my bf about work, and I mentioned that there was this really business minded woman on the forum named Sam38g. My bf literally stopped me in the middle of a crowded sidewalk and asked, "Wait, Sam38g, like THE Sam38g?" I was like, "She's a blonde BBW with really huge tits. I think she might be kind of big in porn. Do you know her?" (Forgive me, Sam, I don't watch that much porn, so I only know you from here.) He was like, "Obviously I don't know her, but I know her videos! Wait... you get to talk to Sam38g...? *grumble, grumble*" It was kind of a cool moment.

    Anyway, back to the topic...
    LOL Guilty! I'm just a girl.

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    I personally see us cam models as online escorts (I may get shot for this!) but we provide and intamite and unique service for each of our clients so to me the ppm/ppv are basic set ups to implement this is essential for every model and I think this should be the first step for every model into conquering this industry.

    I will be honest, I have yet to sign up to a tip site and try that hustle. I think in part I find this incredibly daunting as I am a natural introvert and don't feel it fits my cam persona which is quite a niche on its own. There I models I follow and whole heartedly support that mainly work these sites and earn great amounts. Fair play to them. I am also a big believer that different courses for different horses. Some like me can and do like one to Noe sessions only and others can entertain a whole room.

    I will quite happily sign up to cammunity though so I can try non nude hustling and converting to privates. I think Camming is also changing as men don't just want a wank bank anymore and they want true vanilla every day stuff so that they get to know their models better and support more then just sex. I think it's very easy for us as women to think that men only have a one track mind and only provide that, sex is after all one one aspect of human nature. I see Camming potentailly being a slow burn longer game then just hustling, getting naked and doing a show. I think if we truly gave men the option to be fully part of our lifestyle rather then just sex I think we could open up a whole new income level. We also have to remember that only a portion of women would want to offer this and such for our content we can charge even more, win win all round.
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    Last Post: 10-16-2011, 10:28 PM

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