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    I have been escorting on and off for a few years now. I'm currently in a relationship where I don't have to "work" anymore but I want to (Yes I do plan on letting him know). I would like to escort again but refuse to be GFE. How does one go from GFE to Safe GFE (not allowing bbbj or daty). Is it possible to still charge $300 an up and charge this rate? Obenta, Dixie, YR, Tabitha, Sharpie - I know you ladies have some suggestions!

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    WTF..... I hope those lips will still be used for kissing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    WTF..... I hope those lips will still be used for kissing.
    :-)
    Very light (if any).
    What would the going rate for a service like this one be in your area, Mike?

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    GFE ultra light would be very hard to command over 250.... And it is ultra light.... No disrespect intended.... Hard to fill 45- 60 mins with no real oral and very little kissing.... It does happen, I just don't think it happens much at over 250.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    GFE ultra light would be very hard to command over 250.... And it is ultra light.... No disrespect intended.... Hard to fill 45- 60 mins with no real oral and very little kissing.... It does happen, I just don't think it happens much at over 250.
    I don't doubt that. I think it depends on location too.

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    Why should you change your rates? You're still spending the same amount of effort on your appointments and your bills remain the same. I fully stand by my belief that if you provide an overall good service experience there is no reason to worry. If you can still maintain the sensual & conversational aspect of the work most clients will be happy.


    Then again I refuse to label myself with GFE, non-gfe, safe gfe blablabla...its that kind of pigeon holing that will make you crazy.
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    Why should you change your rates? You're still spending the same amount of effort on your appointments and your bills remain the same. I fully stand by my belief that if you provide an overall good service experience there is no reason to worry. If you can still maintain the sensual & conversational aspect of the work most clients will be happy.


    Then again I refuse to label myself with GFE, non-gfe, safe gfe blablabla...its that kind of pigeon holing that will make you crazy.

    Why would I change my rates? I haven't changed anything/Hell I have even posted anything yet. While you are 100% right about bills being the same and level of service staying the same, when it comes to business I prefer to be honest with myself and take the local rates into consideration. I know that I can get away with a higher rate offering safe everything because I'm very "attractive". I know that. Hell I know a lady that is safe everything and charges $600 but she's in vegas. Tabitha, how would your clients know what they're getting into if you don't label yourself?
    Do you just tell the guy when he gets there that you won't give him a bbbj?

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    My marketing doesn't involve any sex industry buzzwords period. Any words associated with prostitution stays off my website and it will remain so. I am a professional companion - nothing more, nothing less.

    When you get into multi-hour minimums with non-hobbyists there are no "what do I get for my $?" conversations. Hobbyists rarely book me because they only want one hour.
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    Yes, definitely you can, and yes at that rate, and higher. I'm always safe even with repeat clients. Some have asked for non-safe the first meeting and I remind them, it's about their health, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    I have been escorting on and off for a few years now. I'm currently in a relationship where I don't have to "work" anymore but I want to (Yes I do plan on letting him know). I would like to escort again but refuse to be GFE. How does one go from GFE to Safe GFE (not allowing bbbj or daty). Is it possible to still charge $300 an up and charge this rate? Obenta, Dixie, YR, Tabitha, Sharpie - I know you ladies have some suggestions!

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    What area are you in? This hasn't been an issue for me. Clients actually appreciate that I'm careful for both our sakes. It totally boggles the mind that some people think you can't catch anything with bare oral.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    GFE ultra light would be very hard to command over 250.... And it is ultra light.... No disrespect intended.... Hard to fill 45- 60 mins with no real oral and very little kissing.... It does happen, I just don't think it happens much at over 250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aether View Post
    What area are you in? This hasn't been an issue for me. Clients actually appreciate that I'm careful for both our sakes. It totally boggles the mind that some people think you can't catch anything with bare oral.
    I'm in Northern NJ.... As to the health risks..... You buy your ticket, you take your chances.

    I never begrudge either provider or customer, their rate/price range.... choices of services.... or desires.

    There may in fact be some Ultra Lite providers in NNJ who are getting above 250..... just off the top of my head I don't know of any.... Doesn't mean they aren't out there.... But then again, they wouldn't be on my radar screen.

    I only wrote WTF... Because those lips of hers are made for kissing....
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    So long as you're completely honest, I see no problems with your choice of services offered or rates. The combination of light kissing only and no BBBJ is fine if that's your comfort level. I'll add that using "GFE" in marketing yourself with those restrictions will cause confusion for some. It's like having a restaurant called "lovelyme's fish fry" and only serving BBQ. Nothing wrong with seafood or BBQ, but the marketing choice is going to confuse some people. I don't know you so maybe I can be a test subject for stupid client here. If I hear "light-kissing, safe GFE" my expectation based on only that information would be condom for everything, kissing with no tongue, and perhaps some increased level of affection/cuddling in order to constitute the "GFE" portion. Am I accurate? If I am, I'd say the marketing is fine. If I'm wrong, then maybe it could use some better clarity on your definition of "GFE" as it does vary widely.
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    Definitely market yourself as Safe GFE so there is no mistake. I wouldn't take DATY off your menu, just add dental dams. Honestly if I were you I wouldn't change your rate - we all know someone will pay it, so might as well get what you want and do it on your terms rather than trying to clean house if you don't have to.

    I recommend this lube - http://www.edenfantasys.com/sex-lubr...ual-strawberry - for covered BJ

    If you're going to get rid of light kissing though, that seems to be adding trouble - that'll remove ANY heat from your appointments, so you won't seem passionate. I would think it would be smarter to play the safe yet passionate and energetic card and keep what you can - which brings me to the question, why the change to Safe GFE in the first place? of course you don't have to answer if you don't want to

    Anyway that's just my opinion - you can get away with more safety shit if you seem wild in some ways!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    I'm in Northern NJ.... As to the health risks..... You buy your ticket, you take your chances.

    I never begrudge either provider or customer, their rate/price range.... choices of services.... or desires.

    There may in fact be some Ultra Lite providers in NNJ who are getting above 250..... just off the top of my head I don't know of any.... Doesn't mean they aren't out there.... But then again, they wouldn't be on my radar screen.

    I only wrote WTF... Because those lips of hers are made for kissing....
    Haahahah yes my lips are made for kissing and I'll kiss you all day, Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    So long as you're completely honest, I see no problems with your choice of services offered or rates. The combination of light kissing only and no BBBJ is fine if that's your comfort level. I'll add that using "GFE" in marketing yourself with those restrictions will cause confusion for some. It's like having a restaurant called "lovelyme's fish fry" and only serving BBQ. Nothing wrong with seafood or BBQ, but the marketing choice is going to confuse some people. I don't know you so maybe I can be a test subject for stupid client here. If I hear "light-kissing, safe GFE" my expectation based on only that information would be condom for everything, kissing with no tongue, and perhaps some increased level of affection/cuddling in order to constitute the "GFE" portion. Am I accurate? If I am, I'd say the marketing is fine. If I'm wrong, then maybe it could use some better clarity on your definition of "GFE" as it does vary widely.
    I would never false advertise. I would advertise "Safe Gfe".
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    Definitely market yourself as Safe GFE so there is no mistake. I wouldn't take DATY off your menu, just add dental dams. Honestly if I were you I wouldn't change your rate - we all know someone will pay it, so might as well get what you want and do it on your terms rather than trying to clean house if you don't have to.

    I recommend this lube - - for covered BJ

    If you're going to get rid of light kissing though, that seems to be adding trouble - that'll remove ANY heat from your appointments, so you won't seem passionate. I would think it would be smarter to play the safe yet passionate and energetic card and keep what you can - which brings me to the question, why the change to Safe GFE in the first place? of course you don't have to answer if you don't want to

    Anyway that's just my opinion - you can get away with more safety shit if you seem wild in some ways!
    Why am I going from BBBJ to Safe GFE? I don't want to tell too much because it will link me to my working persona here on sw and I'm not doing that. But I will say that a good friend of mine admitted to me she had HSV1. You can get hsv from skin to skin contact and the person doesn't have to have any outbreaks for you to catch it. Color me stupid but I didn't even know anything about herp before she told me about it. Everytime I got an STD test they tested me for everything BUT hsv and Hepatitis. I'm sorry, Dixie but I'm not willing to take anymore chances especially now that I'm in a serious relationship. He's the only one that I go uncovered with and that's not uncovered vaginal sex (only uncovered oral) . I also had a scare that had me thinking I was infected with the disease so I drove to anylabtestnow took a blood test for hsv1 and hsv2 and found out I was negative for both diseases. The scare turned out to be contact dermatitis (this is what the doctor diagnosed me with / it was a side affect to an antibiotic I was taken for a very minor sickness unrelated to this profession). Why continue to be paranoid and risk my health for a few extra dollars when I know I can take measures NOW to prevent this from happening to me? I didn't want to make a PSA about this but did you know that over 80% of the US has it. People go around saying that like it makes it all ok. I don't know about you but if I caught herp from any of these guys I would be livid. If you've had a cold sore ever, you automatically are a hsv1 carrier.

    After this past week of finding out as much as I can about hsv, I changed my whole business model. I have already emailed my mailing list to tell my clients that I am no longer offering bbbj to NEW people. To the people I've seen before, yes but not to people I do not know. I am even debating that decision because we both know that these guys see girls like clock work and a lot of these girls do NOT give a damn about their health and will do anything and everything for the dollar. I have decided not to get rid of light kissing but I will NOT allow daty on me - ever, I will not allow someone to talk me into a bbbj-ever. I will not allow fingers in me because someone can easily have hep on their fingers. I have been a bbbj gir; and never caught anything and I'm looking at it as I dodged a bullet big time. I really really wish that girls will think about their health more. I recently moved into a gorgeous apartment and my businesses are going really well, I'm also a single mom - if anything were to happen to me no one will take care of my daughter for me. So what do I care about more... my health or a few dollars and reviews on a hookerboard? My health. I don't have to luxury to not care.

    Will think about the kissing thing...
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    I get it - if you feel the risk is too much for you, it is and that's it. At least you're aware and choosing for you, that's awesome! And of course no please don't link yourself with your work persona LOLz

    I guess I'm just banking on things working out with you-know-who..........

    And do think about DFK, it makes it so much easier to pretend to be in the moment when you aren't if you can distract them with some tongue! haha

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    per my friend the nurse - hsv1 and hsv2 outbreak sites are inter-changeable - to further expand - you can be infected and have an outbreak of simplex 1 on your genitals and vice-versa - 2 orally - and yes it can be located on any body part - and it can be transmitted with contact on any body part - genital warts are also viral - viruses are also very small and latex is porous - per our conversation on this the scariest part of hsv is that if you have it , you are even contagious at the begining of the outbreak even before you even become symptomatic -- i'm really sorry this has happened to your friend - that sucks - I don't think you will regret your decision -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    I have been escorting on and off for a few years now. I'm currently in a relationship where I don't have to "work" anymore but I want to (Yes I do plan on letting him know). I would like to escort again but refuse to be GFE. How does one go from GFE to Safe GFE (not allowing bbbj or daty). Is it possible to still charge $300 an up and charge this rate? Obenta, Dixie, YR, Tabitha, Sharpie - I know you ladies have some suggestions!
    no bbbj or daty or dfk etc. would mean you aren't RBGFE let alone light gfe.
    I would just advertise as non-GFE...makes your menu a lot clearer of what is to be expected.
    As for donations in the 300+ roses range...that's steep for no GFE.
    Id say 160 roses for half hour and 200 roses for full hour is about right.
    300+ roses is usually if not accompanied with GFE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheEp3 View Post
    no bbbj or daty or dfk etc. would mean you aren't RBGFE let alone light gfe.
    I would just advertise as non-GFE...makes your menu a lot clearer of what is to be expected.
    As for donations in the 300+ roses range...that's steep for no GFE.
    Id say 160 roses for half hour and 200 roses for full hour is about right.
    300+ roses is usually if not accompanied with GFE.
    I'm pretty sure location comes into play. That sounds about right for someone in the Carolinas but even then I know i can get way more than that with my looks alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki_Fox View Post
    per my friend the nurse - hsv1 and hsv2 outbreak sites are inter-changeable - to further expand - you can be infected and have an outbreak of simplex 1 on your genitals and vice-versa - 2 orally - and yes it can be located on any body part - and it can be transmitted with contact on any body part - genital warts are also viral - viruses are also very small and latex is porous - per our conversation on this the scariest part of hsv is that if you have it , you are even contagious at the begining of the outbreak even before you even become symptomatic -- i'm really sorry this has happened to your friend - that sucks - I don't think you will regret your decision -
    Correct. And I am convinced most escorts have it especially those that do more. Your nurse friend is right - one doesn't have to show any symptoms to catch it. It is a highly contagious disease. People with hsv1 and 2 go through a process called viral shedding which occurs before AND right after an outbreak and that is when they're most contagious. That is why I said I dodged the bullet. The only uncovered thing I did was bbbj (and dfk) but even I was super careful about bumps/lumps/sores on the body and the people I saw. Also hsv1 is passed through the saliva. Dixie keeps telling me to reconsider dfk and the hypochondriac in me is saying hell no. After finding about about this disease and going back on TER to read the boards, I noticed bbbj providers downing safe provider/CBJ girls - It made my skin crawl literally. After talking to my friends who's an MD and a few clients about my decision - I'm 100% sure I won't regret the decision. Maybe I'll lose money but unlike a lot of folks, I can afford to lose money. I also have other streams of income. Anyone that knows me knows that this is unlike me to be posting like this but after my health scare and my friend telling me about her diagnosis, I really do wish more girls will start giving a fuck about their health, rethink their menu and actually go and get tested for hsv.

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    I get tested for it every damn time and it's always negative. Just because we offer more doesn't mean we don't care about our health - you know that. The odds of catching something through oral are so low the risk is negligible. Just because that's still too much risk for you doesn't make sense for every girl and you know that.

    If you're going to harp, harp on the bbfs trend - that shit is dangerous with a very real danger comparatively

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixievista View Post
    The odds of catching something through oral are so low the risk is negligible.
    HSV is highly contagious and it's not something they automatically test you for at the clinic. It's something you have to ask to be tested for. Also it's not just "too much risk " for me. It's "too much risk" for everyone. Hey you're right. I'm not going to harp about it anymore. I just know I'm going to be careful and not risk my health with strangers anymore. Nope, I don't care to post on bbfs thread because people who participate in that are just blatant idiots.
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    You can catch HSV1 anytime and anyplace in your life, just not in the hobby. All it takes is kissing the wrong person at the wrong time and you've got it. It doesn't even have to be dfk, especially since a lot of people who have it get their outbreaks on the edge of the lips. That quick little peck you might give someone, even a relative or friend, could possibly infect you if they are shedding viruses at the time. Genital infections of hsv1 are less widespread but some people do have it and of course you can catch hsv2 from genital to oral contact as well.

    HSV can also be spread through secondary contact. For example a guy sees an escort who is unknowingly infected. They only do cbj and cfs but he uses his fingers to stimulate her prior to engaging in cfs. He then touches his genitals with those same fingers. He can possibly physically transport the virus from her genitals to his genitals and get infected in this manner.

    Also often hsv2 infections are not just in and on the genitals themselves but spread around the general area. A condom only protects or prevents transmission from the area covered by the condom and not the surrounding areas. It is very difficult to not have some contact in this area during sexual intercourse.

    Also a person can spread hsv to different infection sites on their own body, or the body of someone else by contact. An example would be a someone touching a shedding area around his or her mouth and then touching his or her genitals.

    It a nasty little bug.

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