thanks! What a close call that was!


thanks! What a close call that was!
Last edited by missenvy; 03-19-2013 at 01:47 PM.




Oh my goodness this sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen, I don't even know where to start. Has she done any research? Read the Amanda Brooks books? She has to least do that. I don't really want to give any more advice because I'd feel liable. Seriously this sounds like a terrible idea if she hasn't researched any of this. There are TONS of resources here and elsewhere - loads and loads of threads about screening, marketing, etc.
For legal issues, she needs to find a criminal defense attorney in her area that preferably hobbies and would be able to tell her the loopholes. There are a lot of issues to work through with this, I wouldn't even know where to begin.
So if you want to be with me
With these things there’s no telling
We just have to wait and see
But I’d rather be working for a paycheck
Than waiting to win the lottery
Besides maybe this time is different
I mean I really think you like me




I wrote a long draw out response to this and deleted it. I don't want to be accused of being judgmental or a bitch. When I read this, I immediately thought I'm not giving any advice to this person. Fact of the matter is, this is WRONG. It is NOT your place to coach her on how to do this. If she is an off age adult, she needs to be doing this herself. She also needs to be the one here on stripperweb posting a thread asking for advice. I have found that a lot of girls (when it comes to escorting) , don't want to do their research. They just want to walk in the room, collect the money and see the client. Girls like that 8 times out of 10 unless they're with a really good agency, get busted. There is nothing cute about helping your family member become an escort. Personally if it were me , I'd work harder to help my cousin out financially until she can look for something else to do.
I've been an escort for 3 years and I don't know how you can accidentally introduce someone into this world. My friends and family still think I work at an office somewhere. You knew what you were doing when you asked her to do camshows with you. It's the can of worm and you opened it. As for her escorting, you can hire a lawyer and do everything right and still end up raped, beaten or dead. Being good at screening just doesn't cut it. Instincts will save your ass most, if not, ALL the time. She has to have that third eye. A guy can be a model citizen and still be a serial killer so anything can go wrong at anytime. And you have to let her know this.
Again, tell her to do her own research and take yourself OUT of it because if something happens to her - you're going to feel terrible. This for me is a no go zone.





One one hand, it sounds like she did *some* research, because shes giving you a lot of the canned answers Ive seen online to some of your concerns...unfortunately the answers are just that...canned and not wholly accurate. Let me see if I can go through some of these for ya
-- She says she is going to fill out a fake name for the photo release. She says that if she puts her real name the studio people can just anoymously post her info on the internet. But legally speaking, if she puts her fake name on there and somebody DOES steal her photos, doesnt that mean that she has no legal right to do a cease order?
My theory on this, and its just a theory which would need to be researched, is that she could register her work name as a DBA, and then she would have legal rights if she puts her DBA name on the photo release. Unfortunately, that means that her DBA and her real name would be connected, but on the flip, the odds anyone is going to assume she registered her work name as a DBA and research that are pretty low. Its totally in theory though, shed need to research that. Otherwise, your right, putting down a fake name would offer her no protection at all, her photos could get distributed and she would have no legal recourse since the photo release would be invalid.
Personally, Im of the thought that its not necessary to put that that kind of money into photos when first starting. Its much better to work first, and use money from earnings to put back into and improve her business with professional photos. I take all my photos myself, but if I didnt know how to do a decent job of it, I would have had someone else take the photos for me *with my camera* so that I always have total possession of the pics.
--I told her not to trust the website designer (who runs a company providing sex-industry related websites) to register her name/domain. She should do it herself and then make sure its private. She says THAT's ok....and safe...is it??
As a web designer, I have *always always* told people to register their own domain. That is the crux of your business, and at any time, someone can take it hostage or simply disappear and leave you with no way to take control over it. Better to have control from the very beginning. Ive just seen this scenario go bad so many times, practically 80% of the new clients I had taken on had domain issues and had to register a new domain. Crazily enough, still asking me if I could register the domain for them... It costs like $8/year and takes all of 5 minutes to set up. Not worth the risk to have someone else do it for you. And yes she definitely should make sure to privatize her domain.
-she told me there is no chance of arrest as long as sex is NEVER mentioned.
Wrong on so many levels...she could never touch the money, go through with the date, have sex with the guy, and still end up getting busted. Having him place the money down without mention and not talk about sex at any point are indeed smart things to do, but "No chance of arrest" doesnt exist in our vocabulary..seriously. She needs to always be on guard.
is it true that: the guy can't hand her the money? It has to be placed on the table, bathroom counter, etc, and she can then retrieve it? Can she be seen retrieving it? IF person gives you incorrect money amount during date, even if it seems like honest mistake, like one hundred short, you have to leave immediately and return payment?
Ladies handle this in different ways. I dont handle or count the money in front of my date...I have him go to the bathroom to "freshen up" and then quickly count and hide the money before he comes back. Its wise not to go through with the date if the payment is not in full cause then it'll go into backchannel (or worse, in a public review) that she will go through with a date even if the guy chooses his own rate.
--she is going to screen them with employment AND ter/datecheck, p411. But, she's not going to allow reviews. I told her that this isn't possible, as she will need to be ok'd with TER in order to screen guys with the above methods. Who is right?
Well...a lot of women who advertise online have a no review policy but some slip through. Some guys respect that, some dont. If they dont, you cant really get upset because if you are going to advertise yourself on online especially on review boards / websites, then its common sense and it should be expected that you will get a review. If shes on TER definitely expected, since your reviews on TER is what gets you business on there. DateCheck and P411, in my experience, most of my dates I get from those sites are not typical hobbyists/review guys. But the Catch 22 is that reviews are a part of the verification process to be accepted onto DateCheck and P411 as a legitimate provider.
--being in a major metro city, eros is probably sufficient?
Depends on which major metro city. Where to advertise is regional. I dont think though that its smart to depend on just one site as sufficient. Never put all your eggs in one basket, if that one site goes down for whatever reason, you are starting all over again to establish yourself elsewhere.
--Ive considered massage and would be very interseted. But, according to my cousin, massage is more legal risk than escorting becuase of the legal loopholes?
They are both a risk...the added risk with massage is that you cannot actually say "massage" only body rub or sensual touch or something like that, because you need a license to do massage. So even if they dont get you on anything else, if you say massage, they can arrest you for performing one without a license. But...if you do get a license and caught doing sensual massage, you lose your license for misusing it. Just dont call it massage.
--what are some good safe people to make massage/escort websites? High heel designs is way to expensive.
No idea...there was a recommendation for this just a day or two ago and Im always seeing info about escort web design on here so do a search for that one.
Can I make money as a high end, $150/hour social escort?
No. This bears repeating. NO.I mean, if we could make any amount of money just being a social escort, moreless a high end one, we'd all be doing it. Instead, at $150/hr guys will just assume you are a low end cheap escort. Forget "text book dictionary" definitions. If you advertise yourself as an escort, know that guys expect sexual services. You may end up getting some legitimate social escorting dates along the way, but far and few between...you will never ever make good money as just a "go out to social functions, look pretty and smile" escort.
--get a lawyer on retainer and a bail bondsmen? I am moving in the spring and wont be able to bail her out god forbid. How does that work and how do you find a good lawyer with good, real, current insider info on high end escorts? Isn't that going to cost a fortune?
I will confess, this is something I have not done so I dont know much about it, but I do know that its possible to get a lawyer on retainer or something of the like. Ive also heard of a service specially for escorts who they can call a lawyer if they end up arrested. Locally, in one of the online communities there is a legal fund that has been set up for escorts who contribute towards it to help pay for legal fees.
-when is the best time in the fall to launch? or spring? She only wants to do a few weekends a month. As a low volume high end girl, will she even make enough back to cover the outrageous eros fee? I can't even make the eros fee in a shift!
Also regional...down here in the south, around May-Oct are slow seasons and things dont pick up til winter during tourist season and when snow birds come down to live in their winter homes. Up north Id imagine it would be the opposite, that things slow down in the winter. But youd have to get the know the ebb and flow of your area. All the same...I started my biz in April, right when slow season was hitting, and I did okay.
Depending on how she markets herself, she could definitely work a few weekends a month and survive. I work maybe 5-7 days a month, or on average 1-2 dates a week and I do quite alright. She needs to have a business plan, know where she wants to go with this business, what she wants to get out of it, and not lose track of that goal, always making choices towards it. I had to work a lot more when I first started, and my rate was lower as well...its not instantaneous, nothing is.
Ummm...okay, I think thats all the q's whew what a lot of typing, I think I hit my quota for the monthSeriously though, all these answers are really just my personal take on things. While there is no one right way to do anything, as we all manage our business' in our own ways, there are some definite wrong ways of looking at/doing things which I tried to address. Others will chime in Im sure with their own methods and ways of doing it...its good to have a well rounded view. Its *necessary* to know what youre getting into though.
Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. Don't turn your back. Don't look away. And don't blink!





After my whole novellaI have to say, this is something I wholly agree with. I mentioned a lot too, that she needs to research... Neverminding that hearing anything from you isnt really going to make an impact on her since you yourself are not an escort, anything you have to tell her is just heresay. And YES if anything happens to her, you will feel totally responsible. She needs to take it upon herself to research, research, research. I think newer ladies just dont do as much research as they should and thats how they get screwed.
I ended my post saying its necessary to know what youre getting into, and that is the honest to goodness truth. This is such a high risk job....our health, our well being, our lives, and our freedom is at stake just for being an escort. Its very serious, nothing to muck around with, and its well worth the time it takes to educate ones self as much as possible.
Ive been doing this almost 2yrs now, and Im just as paranoid as I was the day I booked my first date. I also still keep researching, keep on top of useful info, local news, and Im sure of it that until the day I stop doing this, I will always learn something and find out something new that Ive been doing wrong/can improve. Letting my guard down isnt an option, and taking risks in an already risky job is just brainless. Research research research!
Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. Don't turn your back. Don't look away. And don't blink!


If she doesn't have a mentor who's experienced in the biz, and has a very young child to consider, why doesn't she look into being a sugarbaby first? She's in her early 20's I think you said, which puts her right in the most desired zone by many of the SD's, and I believe you also mentioned that she's in a large city. Much less risky legally, and if there's no one to take care of her child if she gets busted. It's one thing to take risks like that if there's a support system for your child in place, in case the worst happens, but if there's not? I'd have to really think about it first.
BTW, link to a book on Amazon about a girl who moved to NYC to basically find SD's. She tells what she did to make herself most appealing to them, her experiences, etc:
http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Morta...g+with+mortals
Last edited by littlemissbliss; 10-11-2012 at 08:13 AM.
Well now this just isn't fair. You can't say the OP's cousin is an off-age adult and responsible for her own choices and actions, and then go and say that it's the OP's fault that her cousin is plunging into escorting without doing any research, simply because she cammed with the OP. Sippery slope fallacy. The cousin made that decision on her own, and the OP is just trying to help make sure she covers her ass and minimizes the risk.
OP: Send her a link to this thread, maybe to the Amanda Brooks books as well, and really stress how important it is for her to do some research and know exactly what she's getting into. You have no experience with escorting, so advice coming directly from you won't hold much weight, but if you can point her to direct resources, maybe it'll resonate with her better.








@lovelyme
I did the same damn thing. She's on a train headed for a wreck if she wants to go balls to the walls without doing any research. You've got to build something to last or you'll crash and burn.
So if you want to be with me
With these things there’s no telling
We just have to wait and see
But I’d rather be working for a paycheck
Than waiting to win the lottery
Besides maybe this time is different
I mean I really think you like me
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