Creepshots and revenge porn: how paparazzi culture affects women

[Dirty Ernie]

I stumbled on this article back when Princess Kate's topless pics surfaced and thought I'd share.

http://m.guardiannews.com/culture/20...e&type=article

[Aniela]

My hit list just expanded exponentially after reading this article.

[Flickdreams]

^ What do you mean by that?

"I do think it's a rage against women being sexual on their own terms. We're perfectly fine with women being sexual, as long as they are objects and they're passive, and we can turn them on, turn them off, download them, delete them, whatever it is. But as soon as it's women who want to have any kind of exclusionary rights about their intimacy, we hate that. We say, 'No, we're going to make a whore out of you'." (From the article)

Years ago my boyfriend and I took many comprimising pictures of him and I in some very non-vanilla sex. I still regret sending the pics to be developed. I have a fear that they will surface. I wish I had used a polaroid camera.

[Optimist]

Wow! Thanks for sharing this article. It perfectly expressed the rage I feel being not only at work but in public and some jr.-wannabe-rapist type taking photo of me with no consent. I was at the beach reading a book and some freakshow creeps up behind me to take either video or film of me. I only caught him because of his shadow!!! I'm not out with a face full of makeup all dressed up to attract attention and interact with dudes that way. I'm just kicking it fer chrissakes. But that's how they like it, against your will. An older guy on the subway snapped me as I was just sitting there! It was the weirdest shit. The article perfectly pointed out the aggression of the psychos who do this. Thousands of women offer a look at their bodies in photos/videos but they want the woman who's unwilling--like a rapist. The following is, I think, the best answer.

http://jezebel.com/5949379/naming-na...its-creepshots

A 25-year-old female Redditor has finally come up with a way to beat Reddit's r/CreepShots posters at their own game: compile their personal information and report them to their bosses and local authorities. So far, it's working.


One afternoon in late September, Coweta County Sheriff Investigator Jason Fetner asked Christopher Bailey, a 35-year-old substitute teacher at East Coweta High, to meet with him regarding a school theft. But when Bailey arrived, Fetner told him the real reason for their meeting: he knew that Bailey had been posting photos of his students — "Hot senior girl in one of my classes," read one charming caption — on the subreddit r/CreepShots, some of which had been viewed thousands of times.

Most of Bailey's CreepShots contributions were relatively "innocent" (for example, you couldn't see the senior girl's underwear) and therefore legal, but the content Fetner subsequently found on Bailey's cellphone — including multiple texts and nude photos that he sent to girls as young as 16 — were not, and police are now pursuing charges. But how did Fetner know that the substitute teacher with a clean record was a secret sexual predator? Thanks to a tip from a group of anonymous Redditors who are sick of seeing the CreepShots community gleefully post teen upskirt photo after teen upskirt photo while telling the "internet morality police" to "fuck off" and stop ruining their fun.

[Tsepmet1]

*bump*

I'm really irritated about revenge porn and creepshots. Why?

Revenge porn vs camming.
Rape vs sex.

What's the difference? MOTHER FUCKING CONSENT.

I really don't understand the great lengths that people go to objectify women. My husband commented on a music video earlier (sarcastically), "Are women even allowed to be in music videos without wearing a bikini?"

It's a sad world.

[FiendishGyrator]

The original title for Girl With The Dragon Tattoo was

Men Who Hate Women.



That title/idea floats across my head at least several times a week when I hear or read of different hate crimes against women.

[smeca]

I read that when it came out. The paragraph quoted by Flickdreams sums it all up. I think the topless pictures of Kate incident was dispicable. As far as I can tell they were very far from the road in a private villa, some creep was on the road with a zoom lens.

The whole thing makes me so mad. If I ever catch anyone taking a picture of me I'm going to call them out on it.

[FasaCorp]

Perhaps this is not directly related to taking pics in public, but it definitely hits the stalking territory: last year during Halloween my place of work had a costume contest (as we do every year). One of our most attractive female employees dressed as Poison Ivy. Now, during the contest, all of the employees wearing costumes have their pictures taken and posted on the wall of the employee lounge with a number assigned. This is so they can be voted on by anyone who wished to vote on their fave.
After the contest was over, it was discovered that her pic (Poison Ivy) was missing. Nobody knew for how long (or who took it) but it was pretty obvious someone had. For about 2 or 3 weeks nothing was ever heard about it again, then an employee (security officer) was given the pic by another employee who said HE got it from ANOTHER employee, who said he just wanted to "borrow" it for awhile.
After that, nothing was ever said of the incident. I have no idea if anyone lost their job because of it. All I do know is that she was pissed off like no other (she was even afraid to touch the pic with her bare hands....yeah).
God only knows what the perp did with that photo during those 2 or 3 weeks, especially with Internet access and a scanner.

[Almost Jaded]

So the Muslims have it right, and all women should be covered head to toe at all times?

Don't get me wrong - the problem is the people taking the pictures. But what can be done about it? Pass laws? They already exist. Forbid pictures in public? Restrict the free press? Hold website owners liable for their content (this might sound good at FIRST, but think about it...)? If you go out scantily clad, if you go nude or partially nude in an open area - no matter how secluded; if you visit a sex club; if you work in porn or the adult industry at all... Male or female... You're probably going to have illicit photos taken of you. The more attractive you are by society's current standards, the more famous or infamous you are - the more likely this will happen. We live in n age where cameras are everywhere. Literally EVRYWHERE. If there are none within miles of you - there are satellites for fuck' sake.

It's bad, it's wrong, it's despicable - and really - throw out ANY realistic way to stop it. Prosecute offenders that can be caught, sure. Beyond that - laws are empty without means to enforce them. Stay covered up, or accept that this is the world we live in.

[Kellydancer]

^ What do you mean by that?

"I do think it's a rage against women being sexual on their own terms. We're perfectly fine with women being sexual, as long as they are objects and they're passive, and we can turn them on, turn them off, download them, delete them, whatever it is. But as soon as it's women who want to have any kind of exclusionary rights about their intimacy, we hate that. We say, 'No, we're going to make a whore out of you'." (From the article)

Years ago my boyfriend and I took many comprimising pictures of him and I in some very non-vanilla sex. I still regret sending the pics to be developed. I have a fear that they will surface. I wish I had used a polaroid camera.

This reminds me of something that happened over 20 years ago and STILL haunts me. I was trying to get into magazines like Playboy and Penthouse and had a male friend take photos of me to send to the magazines. Long story short I found out he liked me as more than a friend and had schizophrenia and found out the guy I liked and sent HIM the photos. The other guy said he destroyed the photos but what if he didn't? At the time I didn't know the male friend liked me since I thought he was gay (since found out he was bi)nor did I know he was shizo.

Then of course there are also the photos I did pose nude for in various respects such as for pay or when I got scammed (basically lied to and said it was for magazines). I am not ashamed of the photos I did for pay because they were artistic but the other ones were using a then naive 20 year old.

[GlamourRouge]

So the Muslims have it right, and all women should be covered head to toe at all times?

Don't get me wrong - the problem is the people taking the pictures. But what can be done about it? Pass laws? They already exist. Forbid pictures in public? Restrict the free press? Hold website owners liable for their content (this might sound good at FIRST, but think about it...)? If you go out scantily clad, if you go nude or partially nude in an open area - no matter how secluded; if you visit a sex club; if you work in porn or the adult industry at all... Male or female... You're probably going to have illicit photos taken of you. The more attractive you are by society's current standards, the more famous or infamous you are - the more likely this will happen. We live in n age where cameras are everywhere. Literally EVRYWHERE. If there are none within miles of you - there are satellites for fuck' sake.

It's bad, it's wrong, it's despicable - and really - throw out ANY realistic way to stop it. Prosecute offenders that can be caught, sure. Beyond that - laws are empty without means to enforce them. Stay covered up, or accept that this is the world we live in.

I think the only way to combat this issue is to raise awareness with what can be done with the material. No sexy-dressed 16 year old is going to realize whats done with creepy potential photos and videos of her. "Men may take pictures and jerk off to it or post it on the internet on a creepy forum!" On the other hand, is that sexualizing teens/children by letting them know these things? I didn't realize how pervy 99.999999% of the population was until I was like 17. I was taught that some have perverted minds, but that those are the ~*sick*~ ones and that doesn't happen often. Lies lies lies. So naive, but that's what I was taught.

Adults, on the other hand, well they choose what they wear. If you're 25 and you dress up sexy, you know what you're getting yourself into. Photos are a risk that comes with the territory. And if you're a celebrity or in the public eye, then you especially know what you're getting yourself into and is also a risk that comes with the territory. Just as sexworkers may be outed to their friends and family, celebrities get their privacy invaded. Theres a reason why both make the handsome salary they do. While some may not agree, these negative consequences are practically in the job descriptions. Its not right, but its reality.

[sexysusie]

What if you're not 'dressed sexy'? I am wolf whistle against my consent almost daily, and for the most part I am in a tracksuit with no makeup and shitty hair! I remember as a child (yes CHILD) of 13 or so, having some creep crawl next to me in his car and take a picture of me completely out of the blue - I was walking back from my riding stables with muddy wellies and straw in my hair!!!!

Anyway, why aren't people just dmca'ing these sites?

[sexysusie]

Adults, on the other hand, well they choose what they wear. If you're 25 and you dress up sexy, you know what you're getting yourself into. Photos are a risk that comes with the territory

^ slut shaming right there.

Women can wear whatever the fuck they want. It is down to every individual to control themselves and have respect for the autonomy of others, and NOT down to women to 'dress appropriately'.. (What even is appropriately?! See my comment above)

[Luna66]

Wow, old thread but I have to say something. I am fucking fed up of hearing "well, when you dress up this way you know what you're doing" or "cover up and this wouldn't happen" or "don't go to this or that neighbourhood and it won't happen". No. Fuck you. It happens when i'm dressed up and when i'm casual and it is just as often the rich people from the 'nice' side of town as it is the broke people in the 'bad' side of town. I have massive (natural) breasts on a slim frame, it doesn't matter what I wear, my boobs are noticeable, there's nothing I can do to hide them. And the worst part of these stories are the teen ones because my boobs starting growing at age 9 and I had men perving on me, catcalling and taking photos from the age of 11 when I was in my school uniform and clearly very young. It's disgusting and I refuse to let these people dictate what I wear, what time of day/night I go out and where I go. Of course it's my fault for having genetically big boobs, not the fault of the men who can't control themselves and treat an 11 year old girl like a sexual object.

[hyori]

This reminds of that story in the news about how a young girl was not allowed to go to her prom because her dress was too revealing and tempting to the adult male chaperon's eg. fathers of the children---yes, you heard that right. Her dress btw, was a knee length, tastefully elegant dress for a 17 year old.

Why the fuck did they kick her out of her own prom and not the fucking pedophiles who reported her? WTF.

[SnuffleUffleGrass]

What if you're not 'dressed sexy'? I am wolf whistle against my consent almost daily, and for the most part I am in a tracksuit with no makeup and shitty hair! I remember as a child (yes CHILD) of 13 or so, having some creep crawl next to me in his car and take a picture of me completely out of the blue - I was walking back from my riding stables with muddy wellies and straw in my hair!!!!

Oh my God, how disturbing.

Tabloid culture had definitely made all Westerners dumber, meaner and more miserable.

[invibe]

Everyone who wants to be a weirdo has a camera in their pocket and an audience they can upload to. Strange times.