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    Hey ladies. I've completely retired from the adult biz, but wanted to return and share this story with all my SW fam.

    I've been close friends with a escort for the past three years. Let's call her "Kim." Now Kim has a pretty thorough screening process. She's turned down many potential clients over the years who cannot pass screening. Her motto is better safe than sorry. Unfortunately her luck ran out and she was busted two weeks ago. The detective provided 1), a work number where he was employed as an engineer for a major telecommunications company. He listed the work number and a personal cell when completing her booking form. She called both. (A receptionist even answered the work number and transferred the call to him) And 2) Upon meeting, a business card with said telecommunications logo along with a DL and a credit card in his name. He arrived to her incall (private discreet residence) in a mini van, dressed in khakis, with a beard and neck length hair swept back in a short ponytail. According to Kim, the detective walked in cool as a cucumber and stripped down to his boxers while she went to the bathroom to count the money he left in an envelope on her dresser. He busted her shortly after she returned to the bedroom.

    Now you might be saying, "big deal" or "it happens to the best of 'em", but what I found interesting is the amount of hoops LE went through to appear legit. I also mentioned the mini van and hair because some ladies have it in their mind that undercover LE is going to show up in something that resembles an unmarked police cruiser and be very clean cut. I'm also posting this as a warning to ladies who use business cards as a verification tool. Anyone can print their own business cards from their computer.

    Kim's court date is in a few weeks. I doubt she'll have to spend any time in jail as this is first time she's ever been in trouble with the law. However, the worst part of this whole ordeal is her mugshot got picked up by Busted and other websites so her face (along with her charge) is all over the web when you Google her real name. She is in the process of having them all removed, but the sites charge an administrative fee, anywhere from $60 to $300. And yes, this practice is legal.

    Anyway, I just thought I'd remind everyone that LE is getting smarter about the whole screening process, not to mention this is an election year so they're working really hard to clean up "crime" on the streets.

    Be careful out there.

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    wow. good to know. i can't believe the lengths they go to to enforce laws on this victimless "crime."

    what city was it in?

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    ^Because of all the details I've shared I rather not say here, but you're welcome to PM me for the answer.

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    Actually..this is not new. Its also why I do not accept this kind of work reference as part of my screening...to me, its a method I trust the least.

    I actually find that LE is very willing to jump through these kind of hoops, because for them its no issue at all to set up and theyll pretty happily give over all that info because all the info is anyway rigged... Business are often willing to work with LE and upon calling them, will confirm that the name given works there or xfer the call to LE or an outgoing voicemail where the guy says his name so it appears youve reached his line. Business cards most definitely arent worth anything, like you say, anyone can print up a business card.

    The only way Ill accept a work reference is if the company website has the guys name / picture on it, as well as outside sources such as press releases and news articles about or including quotes or info from the guy...and it has to show a history as well...like info spanning over several years. So far only two guys have been able to pass this method of screening, one was the CEO of a company, who gives presentations around the country and there were several news articles about him spanning over about 7 years..and the other was a board member of a major company, who was quoted in press releases, plus had several news articles written about him. But yeah, for your average guy, but most importantly LE, passing my work ref screening is impossible.

    Its the only way I will see a newbie without references, but then..with that sort of information and a guy who holds a position like that in a company has too much to lose to do something stupid. All the same, its so hard to pass that I dont advertise it as an option.

    Even so, references arent 100%, so its not like I feel like my method is perfect and Ill never get busted, on the contrary, Im always on edge lol..Its just that I really dont trust work references at all. Im really sorry to hear your friend is going through this....really good to bring this up though cause its a good reminder, no matter how careful you are, LE will try to find ways around it.
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    Thanks for your insight, BlkSharpie.

    Re: provider references. Kim does accept those too, however some providers are horrible about answering emails or returning calls in a timely fashion.

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    When that happens, I tell the guy to see if he can get in touch with the lady to give her the heads up that Im trying to get ahold of her. But I never get fussed about over if a lady doesnt respond to me right away. Ive had my moments too...sometimes Im touring, traveling, on haitus, what have you...doesnt have anything to do with not wanting to give a references, but at the end of the day, its a courtesy thing... Im not really on call or obligated and dont feel that way about someone getting back to me.

    So if I cant hear from a lady at all its not a big deal, Ill either ask the guy for other references, or let him know that whenever 2 of them get back to me, Ill let him know so that we can confirm our date. For the most part that isnt an issue, and *most* guys understand.

    Also, some guys purposefully give out the names of ladies who are not reference friendly so he knows she will purposely not ever reply, or someone who has retired and not even providing anymore as a reference trick...to put into a ladies head that well..he had refs they just didnt get back to me, and see him anyway, or to be able to be screened another way that he know he can slip through with. These guys are usually either LE, or dangerous guys who no one will see anymore.
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    Also, this kind of reminds me of a story that broke just as I started escorting, of a couple that was doing porn and providing services out of their home. The police spent over a year trying to bust them, but they were having a hard time because she required references and they could never pass her screening. It took them a year of focusing on her and trying to get through to her before finally she let her guard down and accepted a date with less info than she usually required. Whenever a guy has only one or no references, I do think about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Also, this kind of reminds me of a story that broke just as I started escorting, of a couple that was doing porn and providing services out of their home. The police spent over a year trying to bust them, but they were having a hard time because she required references and they could never pass her screening. It took them a year of focusing on her and trying to get through to her before finally she let her guard down and accepted a date with less info than she usually required. Whenever a guy has only one or no references, I do think about that.
    Some of the better agencies used to operate that way, either a provider or client reference. It's definitely a great way to screen.

    I forgot to mention in the OP that Kim was not singled out for drawing too much attention to herself. They were targeting escorts that worked in a certain county so that's why she was arrested. I sincerely hope LE is putting this much effort in arresting violent criminals and child molesters. Your tax dollars at work. SMH

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    I sure do wish that they would...and considering the amount of crazy guys we come across, youd think the police would see that as an asset, to find out from us who the dangerous guys are and get them off the streets.

    That would be such a win / win... They could get the actually dangerous guys who were raping, robbing, beating and killing people out of society, and if guys knew we had no reason to be afraid of LE, we wouldnt be such easy targets for them and our jobs would be less dangerous.

    But noooooo....
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikkidarling View Post
    Hey ladies. I've completely retired from the adult biz, but wanted to return and share this story with all my SW fam.

    I've been close friends with a escort for the past three years. Let's call her "Kim." Now Kim has a pretty thorough screening process. She's turned down many potential clients over the years who cannot pass screening. Her motto is better safe than sorry. Unfortunately her luck ran out and she was busted two weeks ago. The detective provided 1), a work number where he was employed as an engineer for a major telecommunications company. He listed the work number and a personal cell when completing her booking form. She called both. (A receptionist even answered the work number and transferred the call to him) And 2) Upon meeting, a business card with said telecommunications logo along with a DL and a credit card in his name. He arrived to her incall (private discreet residence) in a mini van, dressed in khakis, with a beard and neck length hair swept back in a short ponytail. According to Kim, the detective walked in cool as a cucumber and stripped down to his boxers while she went to the bathroom to count the money he left in an envelope on her dresser. He busted her shortly after she returned to the bedroom.

    Now you might be saying, "big deal" or "it happens to the best of 'em", but what I found interesting is the amount of hoops LE went through to appear legit. I also mentioned the mini van and hair because some ladies have it in their mind that undercover LE is going to show up in something that resembles an unmarked police cruiser and be very clean cut. I'm also posting this as a warning to ladies who use business cards as a verification tool. Anyone can print their own business cards from their computer.

    Kim's court date is in a few weeks. I doubt she'll have to spend any time in jail as this is first time she's ever been in trouble with the law. However, the worst part of this whole ordeal is her mugshot got picked up by Busted and other websites so her face (along with her charge) is all over the web when you Google her real name. She is in the process of having them all removed, but the sites charge an administrative fee, anywhere from $60 to $300. And yes, this practice is legal.

    Anyway, I just thought I'd remind everyone that LE is getting smarter about the whole screening process, not to mention this is an election year so they're working really hard to clean up "crime" on the streets.

    Be careful out there.

    Forgive me..... And I'm not trying to be mean here..... Really I'm not..... But this doesn't sound believable.... Why go through all the time and expense to beat someone's screening process.... When there is plenty of low hanging fruit much easier to pick off? Especially when as you say.... There is no real consequence for the arrest.

    I think it's more likely she didn't screen this customer as she said she did.... Or on the chance this happened like she said.... She angered someone in her local LE community.... and they went through a lot of trouble to make her life miserable.

    Either way..... I hope things work out well for her.
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    If you see my latest post, LE was focusing on several girls who worked in a particular county, not just her. As far as LE's intentions, the arresting officer was trying to hit her up for info on other women she could help take down in turn for a possible lighter sentence. This county is desperate to get prostitution out of their area and again, it's an election year. In a few months I doubt they'll even make half the effort.

    Neither me nor my friend have no reason to make up stories. If she got lax on her screening believe me, she'd come out and say so.

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    Wow that's crazy. I started having them take a picture of the front and back of their drivers license and running it through a background check site instead of waiting for them to show it to me when they got there, just to be sure the person exists and isn't a cop. But....I'm sure if they really had it out for me they could get past that too. Crazy how some areas just have it out for us lol. I toured in Chicago once and the $$ was good there, but I have heard that LE there is like what you just described so I've been too scared to go back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    Forgive me..... And I'm not trying to be mean here..... Really I'm not..... But this doesn't sound believable.... Why go through all the time and expense to beat someone's screening process.... When there is plenty of low hanging fruit much easier to pick off? Especially when as you say.... There is no real consequence for the arrest.
    You dont sound mean at all, just uninformed.

    Just because low hanging fruit is easy to grab, does not mean that LE never goes after ladies who screen.
    Thats a thought process Id like to just cut short right there, because it will be of more harm than good for anyone to think that.

    Too many ladies who have gotten busted from using work refs as a method of screening which is why I do not trust it.

    Also, there is consequence for the arrest. Her mugshot is now out there in public, and it could potentially be life damaging if anyone in her personal life finds out about it. Many of us are single moms with a child to take care of, and do not need CPS looking our way. LE knows that even if you are not convicted, or just get a slap on the wrist, the damage from the arrest alone has been done, and it scares a lot of women from being in the business. Once theyve done that and a ladies life has been ruined, LE feels like it was a good day for the force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikkidarling View Post
    If you see my latest post, LE was focusing on several girls who worked in a particular county, not just her. As far as LE's intentions, the arresting officer was trying to hit her up for info on other women she could help take down in turn for a possible lighter sentence. This county is desperate to get prostitution out of their area and again, it's an election year. In a few months I doubt they'll even make half the effort.

    Neither me nor my friend have no reason to make up stories. If she got lax on her screening believe me, she'd come out and say so.
    Yeah, this is my first election year as an escort, and jeez... everywhere I look there are ladies giving warnings about how extra vigilent LE is being now...not only to the local ladies, but also keeping a close eye on ladies advertising touring the area since they can also get us for cross border or state to state or whatever you call it, offenses.

    As it is, Im about to cancel a planned tour, because just about every lady Ive talked to have told me that things are so hot right there now, LE is going balls to the wall. Blah...even though I do screen and dont let my guard down, they are so focused on us, that its just not a risk worth taking to even go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikkidarling View Post
    If you see my latest post, LE was focusing on several girls who worked in a particular county, not just her. As far as LE's intentions, the arresting officer was trying to hit her up for info on other women she could help take down in turn for a possible lighter sentence. This county is desperate to get prostitution out of their area and again, it's an election year. In a few months I doubt they'll even make half the effort.

    Neither me nor my friend have no reason to make up stories. If she got lax on her screening believe me, she'd come out and say so.
    Yes.... If I had seen that I would not have responded as I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Yeah, this is my first election year as an escort, and jeez... everywhere I look there are ladies giving warnings about how extra vigilent LE is being now...not only to the local ladies, but also keeping a close eye on ladies advertising touring the area since they can also get us for cross border or state to state or whatever you call it, offenses.

    As it is, Im about to cancel a planned tour, because just about every lady Ive talked to have told me that things are so hot right there now, LE is going balls to the wall. Blah...even though I do screen and dont let my guard down, they are so focused on us, that its just not a risk worth taking to even go there.
    Yeah touring ladies can be a huge target. I hope all this activity hasn't hurt your earnings too much.

    During the last election year I was booking for a touring escort. She picked a county she had toured previously that was deemed safe. According to the back channels LE rarely arrested escorts - they were only interested in streetwalkers. The first day of the tour went off without a hitch. The second day however, was another story. We had two no-shows back to back and the third client canceled right before his appointment. Finally, the escort decides to leave her room to get a bite to eat and notices a police cruiser parked right by the entrance. It turns out LE had cruisers at hotels all over the county that particular week. Clients were freaked out and thought they were walking right into a sting. Needless to say, the escort got out of there pronto.

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    God man...that might also explain why Im not getting like *any* bookings for this city. The only one is one guy who requested I visit, and the other req will be on holiday during that time. But usually when I advertise a tour, I get emails about it right away, and though it will take about a week, Ill get a good amount of bookings to confirm the trip...but so far here...NOTHING and Ive been advertising it for almost 2 weeks now.

    I guess the guys just know its hot, and dont want to walk into a bad situation, just taking it easy. Blah man...blaaaah!
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    Damn, I guess camming is probably the safest route to take right now in this adult entertainment business.

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    Please keep in mind that I have not read every single post in this thread but I wanted to comment on something BlkSharpie said.

    BlkSharpie my darling - DO NOT ever rely on proivder references - ever. Look at the situation in Ohio with the cops getting all those ladies to verify them.
    I also know a girl that was busted by a cop with 6 provider references. Yes cops will go through ALL that trouble. Also think about the girl in Kentucky that was busted after having sex with an undercover cop. The only thing we can really rely on is our instincts. I have been seeing guys without provider referneces for years and have had absolutely no problem with them. You have to know how to screen. Screening is not only provider references and taking any group's word for it is dangerous in itself. Notice I said "group", a guy with 20 refs can be just as harmful. People snap. Stick to incalls, screen your ass off and listen to your instincts. That is all we can do. Hell anyone here can be busted at any time no matter what we do.

    I've known NikkiDarling for a while now (just online). We've had private discussions and the girl is brilliant. If her friend is anything like her and she got busted, then that only goes to show that it's an open house out there right now. Please be careful out there ladies.

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    Oh Miss Lady, you know me better than that hehe! I do not rely only on refs...I do ask for other information as well. Its just that I dont only ask only for info or only for refs...I want *all* the screening info that I require in order to check them out. In lieu of refs, the only type of work refs Ill accept is so constrictive, the average guy wont qualify. And, even if a guy checks out 100%, if I dont have a good feeling about him, Im not seeing him.

    And yup, most definitely, no matter how much we do due diligence, no one is completely safe from getting busted or ending up with a psycho. A guy could have a great rep and tons of refs, then end up getting busted and LE uses his info and rep to bust other ladies. A guy who has always been a total gentleman can have some sort of mental breakdown and go batshit crazy on a girl. Theres just no guarantees in this biz...got to always be on alert.
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    Wouldn't it be easier to just relocate to a state or even a country that allows this kind of profession to be legal? It is legal in most countries outside of the USA

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    Probably about as easy as it is for anyone to uproot their entire lives and relocate to another country I suppose... But this convo isnt really a "if you dont like it, leave" sort of situation. No one is saying we dont like being in America and what it entails.. We're just working with the cards we are being dealt here and hoping that, with many other things that have been progressed in the USA, this is something that at some point may change for the better as well.

    As for another state..there isnt one to go to. Nevada is the only state that has any allowance for legal prostitution, but only in Reno I believe, another county too maybe (Vegas is not an area where its legal) and only for brothels, independent ladies cannot get the required permits to be able to work legally so it being legal there is of no benefit to me or anyone who is Indi.
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    I am not an escort but I just think that cops spend this much time going after all of you ladies who aren't harming people while ignoring those who are a menace to society. I know it's not the same thing but it's one of the reasons I hated dancing during election years both as a club dancer and a bachelor party dancer because LE were looking to bust anyone doing anything even remotely illegal. Anyways, I hope Kim beats the rap and I hope all of you stay safe and aren't arrested.

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    Huge waste of energy and effort where consenting adults are involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikkidarling View Post
    I forgot to mention in the OP that Kim was not singled out for drawing too much attention to herself. They were targeting escorts that worked in a certain county so that's why she was arrested. I sincerely hope LE is putting this much effort in arresting violent criminals and child molesters. Your tax dollars at work. SMH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    Please keep in mind that I have not read every single post in this thread but I wanted to comment on something BlkSharpie said.

    BlkSharpie my darling - DO NOT ever rely on proivder references - ever. Look at the situation in Ohio with the cops getting all those ladies to verify them.
    I also know a girl that was busted by a cop with 6 provider references. Yes cops will go through ALL that trouble. Also think about the girl in Kentucky that was busted after having sex with an undercover cop. The only thing we can really rely on is our instincts. I have been seeing guys without provider referneces for years and have had absolutely no problem with them. You have to know how to screen. Screening is not only provider references and taking any group's word for it is dangerous in itself. Notice I said "group", a guy with 20 refs can be just as harmful. People snap. Stick to incalls, screen your ass off and listen to your instincts. That is all we can do. Hell anyone here can be busted at any time no matter what we do.
    WTF @ the bolded. See, that's just insane. I think we need to remember that LE has access to the same forums we do. They know what they need to do to look like a legitimate hobbyist so they're not going to "sound like a cop" on the phone or look like one either.

    I have seen this business change so much over the past five years. It can still be lucrative compared to vanilla jobs but the overall vibe feels different. The glory days of escorting are over. Gone are the days where an escort can work full time for four years making 250K annually without getting tremendously burnt out. The pressure from these hobbyist boards, overaggressive LE and trying to compete with these ladies charging next to nothing has really transformed the business. I really don't recommend anyone working for more than a couple years, three years tops. Literally work your ass off all while living conservatively. Then take your earnings and start a business or go to school. Escorting is no longer a job where you can just work without a game plan while spending lavishly. A former associate of mine used to call it "working from trick to trick", kind of how most Americans live from paycheck to paycheck. She'd grab a couple appointments for the day and spend it all on a high end purse knowing that tomorrow would bring another $2k. We no longer live in that world. All moves need to be made strategically, like a game of chess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyme View Post
    I've known NikkiDarling for a while now (just online). We've had private discussions and the girl is brilliant. If her friend is anything like her and she got busted, then that only goes to show that it's an open house out there right now. Please be careful out there ladies.
    Thanks Lovelyme! I know we've had our differences in the past, but I think it's because we're so headstrong about our opinions and this business as a whole. Your comment really means a lot. Seriously.

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