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When I danced in France, I was an employee. The year before me, the girls received a daily base pay and then a (low) commission on the sales they made. This was transferred into our bank accounts each month. My year, there was no base pay, just the (low) commission which was transferred monthly. If a dancer didn't earn a certain amount (I assume the equivalent of minimum wage), the club made up the difference. This meant that all income was trackable and we were all on the books.
The way the club made money, despite paying girls about 50€ a shift (which, really, isn't that much for a club to pay out to 6-10 girls)? Taking a big cut of our sales. That's the format I'd expect other clubs to take if they had to turn their dancers into employees. When it comes down to it, this is just a commission-based sales job, which doesn't make it that hard to turn the dancers into employees.





That's a good way to lose all your best dancers. :/ Shanna, do you know if the club lost their top girls after that?
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^No they did not! That's what happens when there's only one club to work at in the nearby vicinity, I guess. It's also Europe, so they have a different system, and while there are many clubs that do offer a base pay, many only offer commission.



well would they be forced to give us benefits, too?
^Probably only if you meet certain specs like in a regular job usually (at least in Canada) you have to work there for a period of time first (6mo-1yr), and most places require you to work full time to recieve benefits, so I'd expect them to only be handing out benefits to girls that regularly work 4+ shifts/week. I feel for you guys down there, I'd want to be employed by my club...never. Working whenever I want to far outweighs anything else.



would it be possible that they could give dancers the OPTION of becoming employees (and getting paid/benefits) or staying as an independent contractor?




that's what my club just recently started. they had us sign paperwork as to whether we wanted to stay IC or become an employee. they also gave us the option to switch one way or another at any time. I decided to stay IC. I don't know of any girls who decided to go employee.



that's a major relief!





In San Francisco, there has always been an option to become an employee. Never knew anyone who checked that box, however. Can someone post news links as to what you're talking about w/this lawsuit? Sorry, been out of the loop for awhile.
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This article is *speshul* to me.



Oh jeez. If this actually happens, no more dancing, which I kind of need for school. I know I could figure out other things, because I've been looking into sugaring, fin domme, camming, ect, but I love the option to just walk into somewhere and make at least a few hundred extra.










I have mixed feelings about this whole IC vs employee thing. They both have their advantages and disavanges.



^^ yes but the advantages of being an independent contractor is for most of us the ONLY reason we strip. Flexible, come and go as you please schedule and making a shit ton of money is the only reason I would ever deal with these creeps and do what I do. If I had an actual schedule, and only made hourly plus commission I might as well go work retail and not deal with the stigma of the sex industry.





In some clubs in Virginia (in southeast Virginia, not in RVa or NoVa), all dancers are treated like employees since they get a small pay (kinda like a waitress/bartender salary), they are scheduled by the club, but they also have to pay the DJ or the jukebox (no housemom tips, no bouncer tips, and tipping bartenders/waitresses is optional). Aside from tipping the DJ or putting money in the jukebox, they keep all the money (which is not that great to begin with anyways; it's just stage dancing, no lapdances). Plus, shifts are only two or three hours long so dancers work like eight-twelve hours a week which makes them part time employees and thus, club is not required to pay them any benefits.
If dancers are being treated as employees this is how I see it happening, not like Shanna was explaining. Even for clubs that sell dances, I don't see them taking all the money from dances either; it would probably be treated as a tip.
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Do y'all have any specific questions about this? Because this thread is full of misinformation.




All déjà vu chain clubs offer it. Minimum wage, and a ton of tip out and stipulations that go along with it.



I was just gonna say.. there are some grenades at a couple of my clubs that the managers just.. wont.. terminate.. because why? I'm not sure... afraid to look like assholes? Or maybe because these girls serve as "ringers" to make the other girls look better? But these chicks would definitely benefit from becoming employees.. Because they're that terrible. I'm talking, one lap dance over two weeks bad.



I know deja vu has always offered it, I'm just hoping it's not mandatory soon is all. Whenever I've gotten hired at a Deja Vu club they straight tell me "Do not check employee, it's an awful deal."
Jay12, I'm sure at some clubs there are advantages of being an employee, but I am talking about normal, big money clubs, where girls rely more on selling dances than tips.


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The same testing of employment law has taken place in the UK. And while I am glad that the dancer in question won her unfair dismissal case, it does herald the same inevitable potential to open the gate to this kind of 'minimum wage, no benefits or security' type of contract. Here in the UK - clubs make their money off what we pay them and so they'll just find ways to minimize their exposure and maximize profits. And unfortunately, as is one of the main reasons behind the declineof the industry, there is a ready supply of girls who will accept these conditions.
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