



I will still be using this site even with having to use their payment thing. I really hate that indy listings now want you to use their processor to get a payment. I have my own payment processors I don't want people getting more of my money! Now before anyone jumps on my ass...I have NO issues paying a fee to be listed on a directory. I just hate throwing away a percentage.



I hate this too. But you have to understand... We both put a TON of work into the listing sites we run, and we both have jobs ourselves. I'm an indy camgirl myself and he's an IT guy for the adult industry. I spend a ton of time entering girls, changing their rates, helping them with their profiles, and trying to make the site better. I don't want to charge girls a listing fee, because many just do indy shows as a side gig. I know Mark doesn't really want to, either, but this job definitely takes a toll on you. He was starting to get really frustrated (understandably) and instead of allowing girls to get away with using Paypal, he made it a requirement that girls use his payment processor. He did this for the better good, not to screw any girls over. He barely charges anything- just 5%. For the amount of work he puts in, that's peanuts. Many girls think that we owe them a favor, even though we are offering a free service. The rudeness and attitude really wears you down after a while.



Everything loveshooks said is totally true. There really isn't much money in indy payment processing, which is why I asked other verified models on DD what kind of rules they'd like to put in place for new models. That may seem like two separate points, but let me explain.
Because I do not make much (ahem, any) money running Domino's Damsels, I want the girls that are listed on my site to be honest, hardworking, entrepreneurial models. If a girl signs up for a listing, and I create her page, a subaccount on CCBill, and spend time explaining how to set up her profile, that takes up at least one hour of my time. There are about 25-30 girls on my site. Add in site maintenance, bugs, tech questions, and general questions, and it takes up a ton of my time.
Naturally, I do not want to give a girl a listing if she isn't going to take advantage of the service. It's a huge waste of my time and sanity to add a girl and have her never log in again or not utilize her profile. The more hoops a model has to jump through to prove that she's dedicated to camming, the less likely I am to waste my time making a profile that will end up being unused. I truly want to help other models make money and be successful, and I want customers to not have to worry about scammers. As loveshooks pointed out once, the Pareto principle applies to models on indy camsites too - 80% of sales will be earned by 20% of the models. Money doesn't really concern me - I am not looking to get rich off DD, but it works to my advantage because the more indy listing sites that are out there, the more likely I am to make money, too.
This being said - a truly dedicated model with her own website and following will definitely benefit more from setting up her own payment processor. Like loveshooks said, you'd be keeping 89% with Zombaio and 85% with CCBill. But in the world of independent camming, you only get back what you put into it. If you mainly work on MFC or SM and do Skype shows on the side, it's probably not worth it to go through the trouble of setting up your payment processor. If you rely on indy customers and do not cam on another site, you're better off creating your own website and using CCBill or Zombaio to process your own payments.
I hope that made sense. Now I'm rambling. To sum it up, the money is not important to me, but quality, paying traffic = money for me and the rest of the girls on DD.
While I was typing this, I had a guy try to buy a show from CMD via Zombaio. The transaction froze and it said "processing" but the payment never went through. A few minutes later, the customer got a call from his credit card company saying that they payment was blocked because Zombaio is based in a blocked country. They're in the UK and Sweden.. so I'm not sure why they're blocked. Something to be aware of, though. Maybe loveshooks can add something here, because this was literally my first experience with Zombaio.
This is what Zombaio had to say about it:
Mark Baldwin: it's me again. a customer tried to purchase a show from a model and HIS credit card issuuer would not let it through. said zombaio is from a restricted country. what is that about?
David: The card that is being used might not allow for international transactions and the bank declines it. The cardholder could check with the bank if they can enable international transactions on the card
Mark (http://CamModelDirectory.Com Creator): Mark Baldwin: is this a common issue with US credit cards?
David: No, not very common
Last edited by domino.damoiselle; 12-17-2012 at 02:58 PM. Reason: adding info
Mark now has his very own payment processor, No more zombaio![]()
Never regret.



I'm tired of being on the same website as girls who charge $1 per minute for anal. It seems like everyone on there keeps making their rates lower and lower, and now the only adds I seem to get are guys who expect me to sell myself for just as cheap..yeah, that's a big fucking no.





I used to get shows here. But not one all summer long. Not one. I get guys contacting me and asking for paypal. Like its a sport or something to see who is willing to do it. Also I noticed that several people link to their freechat sites as their website? How does that work? It's supposed to be a indy site but traffic is being directed to the megasites where they can sit in a chat room and jackoff for free. The rates people charge aren't that bad, but they arent that good either. Mostly around $2 a minute. I always assumed he had a minimum in place. Never seen anyone charge less than that?
Cam Model Directory was charging 10% when he had the Zombaio and as soon as he got his own payment processor he raised his rates 20%. This was in March of this year. He got the Zombaio account in December of 2012. Then in May of this year he announced he was raising his fee to 25% starting in June of this year. That's 2 increases in a 6 month time period. That's a big increase from 10% to 25% in that short a time period. Most payment processors charge a minimum of 20% and that what he should've set his fee at. I think the 10% was to lure a lot of models in. Now that he's got all these models on the site it's 25% and you can't accept any other forms of payment. That Pay Pal excuse was just that was just that, a excuse to put his own payment processor in place.
That post about the treating him like dirt I don't agree with. What people don't realize is that when that site started out it was a free site to place your add. You only paid if you want to be featured or wanted a VIP spot. He basically took the cam models freedom from them. First he said that he was charging to be listed on his site unless you used his payment processor. He got Zombaio and because the fees were too high got his own payment processor. Once he got his own payment process then he said you could only use his payment processor on the site and he raised the fees twice. That's what pissed a lot of cam girls off. He took the control from the cam girls which defeats the purpose of being independent.





Well you are always free to go somewhere else. I don't have any personal gripes with the guy. He's always very nice. I just see a few things that could use some tweaking. Like direct links to freechat sites. Although a guy may find that out if they visit your indy site and the model has a banner to mfc,sm or whatever. Which I do not. Not for my main camsite. I want the focus on me me me me me me me you get the pictureSaying he took the control away not sure I agree with that. I did raise an eyebrow when he went from 20-25%. Going from just being a directory to only using his payment processor not a bad business move on his part. I started out paying for the VIP spot. But not every month. The guy has to make money, I mean c'mon. From what I remember there weren't many people paying to be featured. So what would have been his incentive to keep it going? Not much. Bragging rights? Sadly that does't pay the cost of running a site and "optional" billing for those who choose to use it. I never thought of the no paypal as a way to hook and lure us in. I think of it more as a way to enlighten and train our consumers on better payment methods.
Of course he's in it to make money but be honest about it. I'm in it to make money also. I fell for that 10% just like a lot of cam girls did but it didn't affect me as bad as it could because I got my prices high enough to where that 25% won't eat my money up but if it starts getting above 30% then it's going to be a problem. I'm not setting up my cam everyday because I don't have anything to do. What you fail to realize is that if the percentage keeps going up in a short space of time then you're either going to take a hit or have to raise your prices. If you start raising your prices then you risk losing your customer base. I don't know about you but I'm not losing my customer base so someone else can make more money. I've got business expenses just like he does and everyone else who owns and runs a cam site. Cam girls don't run their businesses for free. You also have a lot of cam girls starting off in this business and it's easier for them to get taken advantage of. I've been in this business almost 10 years and I know for a fact that when you start off offering something for free and then want to charge for it after you've gotten established then you're going to have problems. It's the principle of it. He started off saying it was free to place your ads and then jumped to you had to pay for advertising if you didn't want to use his payment processor. That was the start of it. Don't do a bait and switch on the cam girls and expect them to be happy about it. If you're going to offer a service then charge for it from the start and charge a reasonable price. It's not just Cam Model Directory that I'm talking about but I've seen a lot of this over the years. These website offer things for free and after they are established enough want to charge for it or better yet decide the won't allow adult content. I recently heard of a blog site that got brought out by another company and a lot of cam girls have blogs on this site. They decided that if your blog has advertising on it they will delete your blog. Some cam girls get their blogs deleted without warning. To each his own but it get kind of tiring always looking for the catch 22 when something is supposed to be to good to be true. This isn't a easy industry to work in. It's hard for a independent cam girl to get a merchant account and that's why a lot of us are on big cam sites and use payment processors. That's all I'm saying on this subject. Have a nice week.





I realize a lot of things, but what I don't understand is why get irritated over something that is a mere option in a sea of others? CMD is not the only way to go. As a matter of fact I only use that site for the existing traffic. I never divert my traffic there. I only use them if the guy found me there on his site. That's only fair if I'm gonna ride the traffic. But honestly it's been awhile since that happened lol Traffic leaks are a major issue in this business. But imo as long as they are good to me I will be good to them, you know what I mean? I still don't see how Mark coerced people into using his services. Things change and he gave notifications. Unlike some other setups I know of. Explore your options and see if you can find something that is more to your liking. Take your customers there. Hopefully they didnt come from CMD but meh. I don't think the problem are his fees. If you make him a lot of money have considered contacting him and asking him to go down to 20%. Some indy processors will do that if you generate enough business in a set amount of time. Check that out.
I hate to ask such a stupid question but I still find CMD so confusing. How do you sell things through the site? Do you just make a listing for the thing you are selling? (Videos, underwear, etc?)
I've been considering joining CMD for a while. Today I had a look at the Model Application Form and saw that I have to indicate other camsites I am listed on. I am always a bit cautious or maybe even paranoid when a person knows both my real name and my model name on other sites. I know that CMD owner seems to be a trustworthy guy but can anyone of you tell me why he wants to know on which other camsites I am already listed?
I think it has to do with the verification process.





Yes, I have a CMD ad (it's free to create) that says that I charge $3/minute with a 10-minute minimum. Next to where it says 'Pics/Videos for sale' I selected Yes, and next to where it says 'Panties for sale' I selected Yes. In the 'Description' section I mentioned that I'm offering custom pics or custom videos for x dollars. There's also an area for you to post a URL for your website, and an area for you to put the URL to your Twitter profile. I just checked, and it says that my CMD ad was listed March 14, 2013 and expires in 8 days and 19 hours.
My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx
Let me tell ya, I've been with cmd from almost the beginning, and you best bet I'm gonna stick up for it. I know a few woman, who constantly talk shit about cmd all over multiple forums but still have the fucking cheek to list their ads there week after week. If you don't like it, LEAVE.
Never regret.
I like the site.. I like the concept.. I just HATE the timewasting MF'ers





He's on skype right now. Try again. It may not be for the reason you think.




I tried Dymomite,thanks !Never answered to me ,I give up!
I know this is a zombie thread, but it's the one I could find that seems to directly relate to the site.
I just started there & am confused about how to have guys pay me. I just give them the link to my ad?
Thanks ladies. Sorry. I know it's a very basic question for a cam vet, but I just started indy & I don't see the answer listed in the Model FAQ.
Thank you so much. I looked at my ad but didn't see a payment link. Now I see a button that asks for their credit card info, so that's good![]()
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