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    Does anyone have experience of clearing up eczema?

    I have occasional outbreaks (like once every 4 years or so) but am currently experiencing my worst outbreak ever that feels like it will never go away. It came as dyshydrosis on my hands in July and has just got worse and worse to the point that my handsare now cracked bleeding and flaking, swollen with infection and keep me awake at night. I have to wear white cotton gloves to the office and if i didn't feel freaky enough it's spread to my face, scalp and neck too.

    I look like a leper and feel terrible, not to mention itchy and painful. I have a modelling assignment booked for the first week of December but i can't do the job if my skin is in this state!

    The steroid cream and moisturizer my doctor gave me hasn't really helped at all and i am waiting for a appointment with a medical dermatologist. I know that i am very stressed and work in a very dry air conditioned office. I've given up caffeine and dairy as i know both these things aggravate my skin, i've also started to drink apple cider vinegar every morning as i've read this can help. Any suggestions gratefully received.

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    http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/eczema.html


    I was under the impression excema was related a lot to digestion issues. do you have stomach or elimination issues¿
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    I have allergies and my eczema is definitely allergy related. I suffer with very bad hayfever which was particularly bad this year. I also have pet allergies, dust, and when i am hyper sensitive feathers. Food wise I know that caffeine triggers my dyshydrosis on my hands and i have for the first time found dairy to also bring out a reaction. So i have cut caffeine and dairy from my diet and am trying now to eliminate wheat/ yeast as i've read that can encourage the infection.

    Digestion wise - my digestive system is operating just fine - things react through my skin rather than my gut.

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    This whole subforum is awesome, highly recommended: http://www.skincaretalk.com/f/40/eczema





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    Thanks, roast! I posted on here, about a swollen, itchy eyelid, which I believe from reading that link is eczema
    Also, this sounds weird, but I've been using a topical generic Benedryl spray. For my eye, I spray it on a swab, then apply w/swab carefully avoiding getting to close to inner eye area. So far, it's helped the best for the itching, & seems to calm it down. I have mixed reactions from aloe, sometimes it burns a bit or dries it out somewhat. I also use Simple brand lotion or cream, again applying carefully. I am considering trying/testing out something for rosesca too.
    Also, spart., I am like you w/the allergies & stress!
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    eczema is "inflammation of the blood" and is an autoimmune condition suspected to be caused by leaky gut syndrome (toxins leaking into blood due to the lining of your stomach being corrupted). I recommend eating no gluten and raw as often as possible.

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    ^ what? Sorry but there is no such thing as "inflammation of the blood". Inflammation is an immune response seen in tissues ie. Organs, Vessels, skin, not fluids... Your blood cannot become inflammed. Your blood carries cells/substances that can contribute to an immune response - transudate, exudate, proteins,etc. Eczema is a general term used to describe skin irritations. It's very difficult to find out the cause of these but I can tell you that my mom who suffered terribly for years and also had to wear gloves, has had the best results after seeing an allergist rather than a dermatologist. Dermotolagists generally just treat the symptoms because it's so difficult to pin point a cause. In my moms cause she found out that she was allergic to almost eveything! Not kidding. She is allergic to a chemical found in paper and plastic! So she has to do this massive daily routine. I will ask her to send it to me and I'll inbox you. Only thing is its very time consuming but she says it's worth it.

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    ^ what? Sorry but there is no such thing as "inflammation of the blood". Inflammation is an immune response seen in tissues ie. Organs, Vessels, skin, not fluids... Your blood cannot become inflammed. Your blood carries cells/substances that can contribute to an immune response - transudate, exudate, proteins,etc. Eczema is a general term used to describe skin irritations. It's very difficult to find out the cause of these but I can tell you that my mom who suffered terribly for years and also had to wear gloves, has had the best results after seeing an allergist rather than a dermatologist. Dermotolagists generally just treat the symptoms because it's so difficult to pin point a cause. In my moms cause she found out that she was allergic to almost eveything! Not kidding. She is allergic to a chemical found in paper and plastic! So she has to do this massive daily routine. I will ask her to send it to me and I'll inbox you. Only thing is its very time consuming but she says it's worth it.
    I have psoriasis and eczema and have for over 20 years. I've looked really in-depth into it. It exists. Autoimmune = a disease based on inflammation or "heat".

    http://www.drshen.com/herbsforeczema.htm#navigation2
    http://www.chinesenaturalherbs.com/b...clear_heat.htm

    Once I started taking dandelion & burdock root (cooling herbs) and cut out "heat" (inflammatory) foods, my psoriasis and eczema that covered my scalp, lower back, legs, arms, feet, eyelids, and sometimes pelvic area went completely away. Its still on my scalp (psoriasis only) a liiiiiiittle bit, but that's where it was the thickest.

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    ^I know what autoimmune is. Its a type of hypersensitivity reaction. I study veterinary medicine. Im just saying what you described is not a medical term. There is no such thing as inflammation of the blood. And inflammation is not just "heat". Yes one of its characteristics is heat. It is also characteristed by redness, swelling, pain and injured or impaired function. Your eczema may be autoimmune (which is your body recognizing a protein made by your own body as foreign and hence having an inappropriate immune reaction), but this is not the source of all eczema. My moms for example has been proven to not be autoimmune (she self-diagnosed and though it was) and it was later shown to be an allergy (which is another hypersensitivity reaction). Its safe to say eczema is pretty much always going to be caused by a hypersensitivity but there are several classifications (types) of hypersensitivity reactions - only one is related to "self" such as in your case. Im not trying to be a know-it-all but it is my pet peeve when people who have no medical training or advanced understanding of molecular biology try and give advice on it. This is why so many people self-diagnose and get it wrong. I dont doubt that the remedies you have tried worked, and that is great and good info for the OP, but to give "scientific" information that is not correct and people read here and take it as truth.

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    ^^^ Well if she self-diagnosed then its obviously not eczema. They usually need to send off a sample to the lab and do a blood test to confirm anything autoimmune. Otherwise its just an allergic reaction. An autoimmune issue is totally different.

    I am another posted from SW with a new account, and I have dealt with major autoimmune problems (lupus anyone?) for the last several years, and smaller ones like these for my whole life. So I have talked to various doctors (rheumatologists, dermatologists, etc.) as well as naturopathic doctors, and read several books on these issues. Traditional science is flawed and can't explain many major medical things. But chinese medicine is just as much a science and is based on scientific studies of what certain herbs do to the body. And in fact, herbs tend to be found in most pharmaceuticals, the same ones chinese medicine often says helps to cure those same issues. Because herbs, after all, are essentially just dried food. Dried leaves & roots. And I think we can all agree that some food are inflammatory and some are anti-inflammatory because you can feel it right after you eat them.

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    My younger sister has had severe eczema all her life. She had it over 95% of her face, hands and arms as a baby until she was about 3 or 4 and we got a good dermatologist. She is 24 now and still has some patches, but it's very mild now. She had laser resurfacing done on her face due to the scars. My father also had it so badly as a child he had to be bound in tight ace bandages and hydrocortisone cream every night before bed so he wouldn't scratch. Needless to say, I have a lot of experience with this.

    First of all, it is NOT caused by a "leaky gut", or "inflammation of the blood". There's actually no such thing as "inflammation of the blood". The blood is not an organ, it can't be inflamed. Furthermore, if things were leaking from your digestive system into your bloodstream, you would get digestive bacteria AND waste matter in your bloodstream which would probably give you septic shock. Now, you can have VASCULITIS, or ARTERITIS which is the inflammation of the blood VESSELS, but not the actual BLOOD.

    "Inflammation" is not defined as "heat". Where in the world are you getting your definitions?! There is oftentimes heat associated with inflammation as a SYMPTOM, but that is NOT the definition. Biology, people.

    Now, on to reducing your eczema symptoms: allergies can play a big part in it. My sister has a ton of allergies, and when she eats better, her skin is better. You should also keep the areas clean, as in don't try to cover it with makeup or anything, and moisturize with an unscented lotion, particularly in the winter. Keep your breakout areas away from cold and wind. If it gets really itchy, treat it with a light hydrocortisone cream, 1% is usually fine. Cooled chamomile teabags can help as well. If it gets really unbearably troublesome, then go see a dermatologist. Try using free and clear laundry detergent, this can also reduce your symptoms.

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    ya'll are fighting over differences in eastern and western medicine. Just stick to what you know and don't negate the other if you don't know about it. Accupuncture, to western science, shouldn't work for a lot of people, but it does. There's certainly a lot of western science that works but there's also a lot od eastern medicine that works too. Hell, there's a thread in the lounge about ayahuasca tea which is South American Shamanism, and you know what has responded to that? Colorectal cancer.

    So stop jumping on what "heat" means in western versus eastern meds and get down to what could work for the OP. I'm sure she already knows some biology and some Western scientific explanations. I've heard of heat in Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine but it's not really my forte.

    Anyway, OP, how ya doin? I make my own detergent and it's really easy and cheap so you don't have to go buy the twenty dollar a jug natural detergent when thirteen bucks or so of supplies will make you ten gallons of gel detergetn (I usually make five gallons at a time and it lasts me about six months if I'm the onky one using it.)
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    ^^^ Well if she self-diagnosed then its obviously not eczema. They usually need to send off a sample to the lab and do a blood test to confirm anything autoimmune. Otherwise its just an allergic reaction. An autoimmune issue is totally different.

    I am another posted from SW with a new account, and I have dealt with major autoimmune problems (lupus anyone?) for the last several years, and smaller ones like these for my whole life. So I have talked to various doctors (rheumatologists, dermatologists, etc.) as well as naturopathic doctors, and read several books on these issues. Traditional science is flawed and can't explain many major medical things. But chinese medicine is just as much a science and is based on scientific studies of what certain herbs do to the body. And in fact, herbs tend to be found in most pharmaceuticals, the same ones chinese medicine often says helps to cure those same issues. Because herbs, after all, are essentially just dried food. Dried leaves & roots. And I think we can all agree that some food are inflammatory and some are anti-inflammatory because you can feel it right after you eat them.
    No if you read my posts she originally self diagnosed. Then she saw an allergist who confirmed she did not have auto-immune and only severe allergies to several substances. And yes if you eat a substance you are intolerant to your body elicits an immune response (inflammation) in your gut. Not your blood. Thats why you get a tummy ache. But that is not auto-immune. Auto-immune is when your cells recognise proteins produced by your "self" as foreign. So food (which is not "self") can cause an inflammatory response but that is just delayed type hypersensitivity, not auto-immune. The point is there are a wide variety of possible causes of eczema. Eczema is just a name. Not the cause. I dont doubt what you have tried has worked for you but at the end of the day we do understand how the body works. It is science.

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    ya'll are fighting over differences in eastern and western medicine. Just stick to what you know and don't negate the other if you don't know about it. Accupuncture, to western science, shouldn't work for a lot of people, but it does. There's certainly a lot of western science that works but there's also a lot od eastern medicine that works too. Hell, there's a thread in the lounge about ayahuasca tea which is South American Shamanism, and you know what has responded to that? Colorectal cancer.

    So stop jumping on what "heat" means in western versus eastern meds and get down to what could work for the OP. I'm sure she already knows some biology and some Western scientific explanations. I've heard of heat in Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine but it's not really my forte.

    Anyway, OP, how ya doin? I make my own detergent and it's really easy and cheap so you don't have to go buy the twenty dollar a jug natural detergent when thirteen bucks or so of supplies will make you ten gallons of gel detergetn (I usually make five gallons at a time and it lasts me about six months if I'm the onky one using it.)
    lol i know, I'm laughing so hard because everything I posted was proven to be true in research studies and published in major journals. My eczema and psoriasis did not respond to Western treatments (or it did, and then got worse when I stopped them).

    Acupuncture has also helped a lot of people i know with psoriasis, but I have not tried it. I bet it would help though. And I think its covered by most insurances AND is an eastern treatment.

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    Hey, some alternative therapies DO work. I'm not knocking that. What I'm refuting is the lack of science and bullshit in these claims. News flash: BACTERIA AND WASTE WILL MAKE YOU DEATHLY ILL IF THEY LEAK INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM. This is basic knowledge. Even if there's a perforation in your stomach or intestine, this will make you very, very sick. It is NOT the cause of eczema.

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    Google, books, and research studies are your friend. These are just random ones that came up when I googled.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7291783.stm
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898551/
    http://www.cmjournal.org/content/6/1/17 (see references)

    Study details: British Journal of Dermatology, publication date March 2008, "In vitro and clinical immunomodulatory effects of a novel Pentaherbs concoction for atopic eczema", T.F. Leung, K.Y. Wong, C.K. Wong*, K.P. Fung¹, C.W.K. Lam*, T.F. Fok, P.C. Leung¹, K.L.E. Hon; Departments of Paediatrics and Chemical Pathology*, and Institute of Chinese Medicine¹, The Chinese University of Hong Kong, Prince of Wales Hospital, Shatin, Hong Kong. DOI 10.1111/J.1365-2133.2008.08502.X

    Previous study: British Journal of Dermatology Aug 2007, 157 issue 2, p357-363, "Efficacy and tolerability of a Chinese herbal medicine concoction for treatment of atopic dermatitis: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study", K.L.E. Hon, T.F. Leung, P.C. Ng, M.C.A. Lam, W.Y.C. Kam, K.Y. Wong, K.C.K. Lee, Y.T. Sung, K.F. Cheng, T.F. Fok, K.P. Fung and P.C. Leung. DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-2133.2007.07941.x




    Stick to what you know, I'm done "arguing" here so continue as you please on your own.

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    Google has the ability to pull up credible sites, and should be obvious which ones are or aren't. I stick behind my words, I have only talked about what I personally know and gave a short summary in the most basic way possible. You're pulling apart little pieces and trying to warp it into something else. I know because I have personally had to deal with these issues and doctors for years, and know what has worked for me and for others. Lastly, I was not the one that originally said that phrase in this thread, I echoed it because there's no point to an east vs west debate. Its common eastern knowledge, I didn't discover it. But when you're too close-minded to start knocking other people's cultures and practices, it becomes pointless to try and defend. eastern will never be put before western because there are billions & billions invested in western medicine, but its usually much healthier (for treatment) for minor or chronic things like these.

    If I were the OP I would want several people to give me remedies that have worked for them, and that's just what I did.

    OP asked "Does anyone have experience of clearing up eczema?" and then continued to say western steroid creams did not work for her, so I decided to tell her what worked for me because that was my exact experience. The remedy I gave worked for me personally, and worked perfectly when nothing else did, so I'd say it works. And its a remedy I received from a friend of a naturopathic doctor, so since her remedy worked perfectly, obviously I am going to look at her and eastern medicine as very credible. Doesn't matter if it can be proven or disproven or what it is, it works, and that's all that matters and all that the OP asked for. But again, done here.

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    "Done" generally means a cessation of posting, not repeatedly coming back to get the last word.

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    i feel like i'm allergic to everything. I know that tea,coffee, dairy,caffeine, paper, wine, beer all set me off!

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    ^Im sending you that info as soon as my mom sends it to me. Im still waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartaca View Post
    i feel like i'm allergic to everything. I know that tea,coffee, dairy,caffeine, paper, wine, beer all set me off!
    I hear ya, love! Ok, there's this company, I don't know if they're still around..Wise Way Herbals. She has a booklet, describing the various natural formulas she makes (Mariam Massaro an herbalist for 20 yrs.) Page 2 says avoid caffeine, sugar, alcohol, white flour, etc.
    Anyway, I have previously used & liked her formulas, this one, Black Walnut/Tea Tree salve is in a base of olive oil provides a natural alternative to steroid cremes (BW - used to control fungal rashes due to its anteseptic/astringent qualities), also has in it calendula, chamomile, birch (which soothes irritated skin/relieves swelling, used by Native Americans) etc.
    It is used for eczema, psoriasis, herpes, boils, etc.
    I'm going to look for it, or something like it, maybe use some of above mentioned herbal tinctures
    It's sold on Amazon, & wiseways.com, & I'm sure at health food stores
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    She just sent it! Yay! So this is what the allergist told her to do. She follows it pretty religiously and she has almost no eczema now. When it says "here" shes talking about Canada so you should have the same products if you are in the states.

    1) Soak in a warm, Not hot, bath with a product called Oilatum. This is sold behind the pharmacy counter here, but does not require a RX. It is a bath oil with parafin in it. I put one capful in the bath.
    Soak in the bath for 15 minutes. I use an egg timer to track the time so I can relax and not check a clock. Do NOT use soap. Wash only parts of the body that actually are in need of washing with Dove baby soap or Cetaphil skin cleanser. You know, like wash only your arm pits, bum, front bum, hehehe, and feet.
    2) Pat yourself dry, ie you dont have to be perfectly dry, leave skin moist. then apply any prescription ointments the doctor has prescribed to the bad areas. Then slather your whole body with a mixture of Glaxol Base and Glycerine. Both these products are out on the shelf here. The ratio is 1 teaspoon of glycerine to 10 teaspoons of glaxal base. The glaxal base soaks in, does not stain clothing and has no odour. So be liberal.

    You can also get injections that are kinda like a vaccine for allergies. Shes never done it but we learned about it at uni and my teacher has had them for his dust mite allergy. Apparently they are quite expensive but pretty amazing cause they can stop your reaction to whatever its treating for.

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    She just sent it! Yay! So this is what the allergist told her to do. She follows it pretty religiously and she has almost no eczema now. When it says "here" shes talking about Canada so you should have the same products if you are in the states.

    1) Soak in a warm, Not hot, bath with a product called Oilatum. This is sold behind the pharmacy counter here, but does not require a RX. It is a bath oil with parafin in it. I put one capful in the bath.
    Soak in the bath for 15 minutes. I use an egg timer to track the time so I can relax and not check a clock. Do NOT use soap. Wash only parts of the body that actually are in need of washing with Dove baby soap or Cetaphil skin cleanser. You know, like wash only your arm pits, bum, front bum, hehehe, and feet.
    2) Pat yourself dry, ie you dont have to be perfectly dry, leave skin moist. then apply any prescription ointments the doctor has prescribed to the bad areas. Then slather your whole body with a mixture of Glaxol Base and Glycerine. Both these products are out on the shelf here. The ratio is 1 teaspoon of glycerine to 10 teaspoons of glaxal base. The glaxal base soaks in, does not stain clothing and has no odour. So be liberal.

    You can also get injections that are kinda like a vaccine for allergies. Shes never done it but we learned about it at uni and my teacher has had them for his dust mite allergy. Apparently they are quite expensive but pretty amazing cause they can stop your reaction to whatever its treating for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartaca View Post
    i feel like i'm allergic to everything. I know that tea,coffee, dairy,caffeine, paper, wine, beer all set me off!
    Poor girl. My sis is the same way, she's allergic to anything related to birch (including raw carrots and celery, and aspirin), dust, trees, cockroaches, albumen (egg white protein, she can't even have some vaccines), iodine (so no shellfish or anything) and all of her reactions are either anaphylaxis or massive hives. A lot of eczema is hereditary. Keep a food journal, and log what sets you off and what doesn't. Once you identify your triggers, you can start avoiding them. In the meantime, Jessie's suggestions are very good.

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    I guess I'm just curious then because while I have no dog in the leaky gut fight, I do believe that blood can carry toxic stuff. I had to sit and think for a moment, and I'm not going to get into a science pissing match because my words are only backed by stuff that works for me, or stuff that I read mostly anecdotal evidence on.

    Oil pulling, helps people and it probably mostly has to do with cleaning out excess bacteria between teeth and on the tongue but there's also a hypothesis that one oil pulls for twenty minutes because of the permability of the membrane underneath your tongue allowing toxins to be pulled up out of the blood stream from the vein that runs through there. Blood takes, what, fidteen to twenty minutes to circulate so that's the idea of cleaning up the blood.

    When tang was talking about leaky gut syndrome I focused on inflammation. I just skimmed again and maybe I missed it but I didn't see her saying pieces of shit were slipping into the blood stream. Yes, sepsis=deadly bad.
    I am very curious about how the body might be able to reabsorb toxins that it's trying to push out if the body does not get rid of them quickly enough. We have a lot of stuff that biologically we cannot evolve fast enough to deal with: environmental toxins, higher gluten, more corn and likely meat than ever before in history, as well as a more sedentary and less sun filled lifestyle. So the idea that our bodies get blocked up or overwhelmed makes sense to me that inflammation, as a term, can be applied.

    my phone is about to die but I do want to say I've been.reading some interesting stuff about cold showers triggering the body's immune system to respond. I'll try to write more later.
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