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    Default Escorts: do you worry about std risks such as Herpes virus shedding?

    I have read about escorting here on stripperweb and elsewhere. Escorting has appealed to many girls if not for std fears (le is another topic i will not mention here). I have an honest question for you guys. Are you afraid of herpes I/II transmission? If so what do you guys do about it? I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions.

    of course, one could always do FBSM vs. escorting, but the LE risks are more with FBSM than escorting due to legal loopholes?

    I know that bacteria std's wont kill you. with HPV, there is Gardasil. HIV with a condom is actually pretty difficult to spread and if worst comes to worst and the condoms breaks you can go to a clinic and say you got exposrue with a known partner (they wont question you) and take prophylaxis drugs that will most likey prevent you from getting HIV, although they will knock you out for a half to 1 month. It's the same stuff they give to nurses and medics and police officers that get needle sticks.

    However, with Herpes, there is virus shedding where there are no lesions or bumps, where the virus sheds on intact skin such as the perinium, anal region, and balls. These are no covered by condoms. There is increasing research that says that shedding may actually account for a large portion of herpes infection since most people w/o herpes wouldn't sleep with a man if they saw visible lesions.

    Also, I realize that men ni normal sexual situations like to touch their balls, or touch their cock to adjust it, etc, and then touch you or try to finger you. Also, with missionary style and doggy style, their testicles are litteraly pushing into your butt or outside vagional area--perfect for herpes viruses on the balls from shedding to get onto you. Of course, you chould squirt alcohol on their hands if they touch their cock or balls at all before they touch you, but would that break the mood to the point where they get upset and never see you again? Or only allowing certain styles like girl on top where you control the depth and make sure their balls dont contact your vaginal area?

    I've always wondered about this. I know for some girls herpes itsn't a huge deal, they take their valtrex and go on with their lives. But in a small portion of people herpes can explode to ALS or Guillan Barre disease where the nerve cells go crazy becuase they've been messed around with the dormant herpes virus. I knew somebody that died of guillan barre syndrom probably due to herpes.

    All of this is assuming you use a cover for intercourse and oral.


    Here is a journal article about virus shedding relating to herpes

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    I have read about escorting here on stripperweb and elsewhere. Escorting has appealed to many girls if not for std fears (le is another topic i will not mention here). I have an honest question for you guys. Are you afraid of herpes I/II transmission? If so what do you guys do about it? I'd like to hear your thoughts and opinions.

    of course, one could always do FBSM vs. escorting, but the LE risks are more with FBSM than escorting due to legal loopholes?

    I know that bacteria std's wont kill you. with HPV, there is Gardasil. HIV with a condom is actually pretty difficult to spread and if worst comes to worst and the condoms breaks you can go to a clinic and say you got exposrue with a known partner (they wont question you) and take prophylaxis drugs that will most likey prevent you from getting HIV, although they will knock you out for a half to 1 month. It's the same stuff they give to nurses and medics and police officers that get needle sticks.

    However, with Herpes, there is virus shedding where there are no lesions or bumps, where the virus sheds on intact skin such as the perinium, anal region, and balls. These are no covered by condoms. There is increasing research that says that shedding may actually account for a large portion of herpes infection since most people w/o herpes wouldn't sleep with a man if they saw visible lesions.

    Also, I realize that men ni normal sexual situations like to touch their balls, or touch their cock to adjust it, etc, and then touch you or try to finger you. Also, with missionary style and doggy style, their testicles are litteraly pushing into your butt or outside vagional area--perfect for herpes viruses on the balls from shedding to get onto you. Of course, you chould squirt alcohol on their hands if they touch their cock or balls at all before they touch you, but would that break the mood to the point where they get upset and never see you again? Or only allowing certain styles like girl on top where you control the depth and make sure their balls dont contact your vaginal area?

    I've always wondered about this. I know for some girls herpes itsn't a huge deal, they take their valtrex and go on with their lives. But in a small portion of people herpes can explode to ALS or Guillan Barre disease where the nerve cells go crazy becuase they've been messed around with the dormant herpes virus. I knew somebody that died of guillan barre syndrom probably due to herpes.

    All of this is assuming you use a cover for intercourse and oral.


    Here is a journal article about virus shedding relating to herpes
    First of all, Let me answer your question about FBSM. I don't know who told you that garbage but they have no clue what they're talking about. I've been an FBSM provider on and off for years and have never gotten in trouble. In fact, I got harassed more as an escort by LE than I ever have with Full body sensual massage. I am not saying that FBSM is legal. I am saying that you have to screen your dates just like an escort would screen her potential clients. Some of the ladies here have seen my FBSM site and it's very straight to the point and every guy IS screened. IF anything, there is LESS risk with FBSM.

    On escorting: Please do not squirt alcohol on ANYONE... you will only piss them off. I know for a fact if someone squirted alcohol on me, I would be pissed off.

    STDS: I was a GFE escort for years and never caught herpes. In fact, I got a full panel STD test every 3 months, the worst thing I have ever gotten was a yeast infection and a UTI (i know gross). I have never caught an STD. It is possible to escort and be clean. Just a few months ago, I sent out a newsletter to my clients letting them know I was now "Safe GFE" meaning I will no longer offer "bbbj" - only CBJ and very light kissing. I did this after a "scare" that turned out to be nothing and finding out one of my friends contracted HSV1. Yes 80% of the world currently carry HSV1 but after being tested for it and finding out I did not have it, I did not want to take that chance.

    Fact: Once you have HSV1, it is pretty tough to catch HSV2 (Genital herpes) BUT it can still happen.
    Fact: HSV2 can be transferred to your lips. The mouth is home for HSV1.

    Do escorts care about STDs? Of course. This is how they make money. If it got out that an escort had an STD, it would put her out of business. Most of the ladies I know are routinely checked. I can't say all escorts get routine STD checks because I do not know that. However, I can say that a lot of ladies have herpes and do not know it. Go to the health clinic and ask for an STD test and see what they test you for. The full panel STD test at most clinics do not include tests for HSV1 and HSV2. It is something you have to request most of the time. I have lectured women about these diseases and a lot of them act like they don't care and go on about business as usual. After my friend was diagnosed with HSV1, I contacted a few ladies and asked them if they've ever had a cold sore and 7 out of 8 were like "Yes". And they were all like "Oh it's nothing". I totally understand that HSV1 is something a 4 year old can get but I have a feeling those ladies didn't get them from kissing a 4 year old and that bothers me everytime I think about it. yannow?

    It's unfortunate that no one is held accountable when it comes to STDs. You really don't know who you're sleeping with on either sides (escorts or hobbyists). This is why you have to be careful. I will tell you honestly that ever since I switched from GFE to Safe GFE - inquiries hasn't gone down. I still have guys wanting to see me even with the "Safe" titles. My advice to you would be to do whatever makes you feel comfortable but there are diseases out there. And now there's that new gonorrhea outbreak.

    Did you know a guy can have herpes on his fingers and pass it on to you that way? Herpes is one of those diseases that you would be very lucky NOT to catch. It is highly contagious. Be very careful. I personally decided to leave full time escorting alone and stick with FBSM, sugardaddies and my other business.

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    Default Re: Escorts: do you worry about std risks such as Herpes virus shedding?

    Hrm... For many of us... definitely for me, escorting is my livelihood, and not only do I do my best to protect myself and get checked out for my health, but the added reason like Lovely said, once you have anything... Your biz is ruined.

    I'm more curious about women who have casual sex, meet guys in bars and then may take that chance with unprotected sex cause she's drunk or thinks he's "the one" love at first sight... or does it hoping to gain a guys affection time and time again...

    They worry me a million times more than me as an escort does (and probably has more sex than me too... ironically)

    Even so... even the most conscientious women in a monogamous relationship get burnt after their man cheated. I've been with I don't even want to say how many guys and have never had an sti. My best friend has been with two men, already twice has had sti, that I know of.

    There are NO guarantees... Being an escort puts us at no greater risk than anyone else who is sexually active. The only way to totally avoid it is to be celibate and never use public restrooms (not even kidding... I've read reports abt bathrooms and will hold it till I get home if at all possible!)
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    Default Re: Escorts: do you worry about std risks such as Herpes virus shedding?

    Yes I worry but have been pretty lucky so far. Where I live FBSM has less legal consequences than prostitution but the guys are just harder to screen. I mostly just do that now and like it was said above if you do get into this I would just be "safe gfe". Too many risks out there and god only knows where some of these guys di**s have been. =/

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    Default Re: Escorts: do you worry about std risks such as Herpes virus shedding?

    A girl at my club recently got fired for giving several customers she saw OTC chlamydia. I then thought of all the nasty guys I dance for who tried to put their hands under my undies every shift. I'd already gotten tested recently since I got it for free in a research trial, but I still got squeamish and was happy to hear that management made the right decision on that.
    All the girls going bareback, guys not being hygienic with their hands, and guys being kiss-happy are really the threats that escorts and dancers alike have to deal with, either directly or indirectly. And as noted above, regular non-working girls have to deal with this, too, especially if their men are the ones involved with this at any point before or during relationships. Men need to feel pressured to be safer-- most guys I know hate condoms/protection, even in one-night-stands. They seem to see protection as something that only benefits the woman, for whatever reason.

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    Default Re: Escorts: do you worry about std risks such as Herpes virus shedding?

    Statistically, 15% of the population in the United States have herpes II or genital herpes. It is a serious risk, and yes you can get it from the ways that you described. It helps to do "dick checks" on the guys discreetly to make sure that they don't have any lumps or bumps, lesions, etc. Also, you definitely should use a condom for everything including oral. There is one provider I knew who ended up with herpes from providing bareback oral. There are providers out there who will continue to work in spite of the fact that they have an std. There was an escort in the Miami area who was caught by LE and found out to be HIV positive. Let's face it, if they are dependent on the money, and this is all they know, they aren't just going to up and quit. You just need to be careful out there and use protection and fuck what guys say about it not feeling "natural."

    It's disturbing. I get on the theeroticreview.com all the time, and the subject of BBFS or bareback full service comes up A LOT. There is even a poll on the home page asking guys if they would consider it and almost 40% said yes. It's crazy that these guys actually think this is an option in today's day and age. But, knowing that women are more at risk for catching an std than men just by the mechanics of our bodies, it's no wonder they don't give a shit about using protection. It's easier for you to catch hiv than it is for them. And I told them on the board that I'm on to the way they think when it comes to condoms. These "hobbyists" think they are so slick by letting us take all the risk while they get their rocks off at our expense. So while it is true that we are more likely to catch an std, we are ALSO just as likely to get pregnant if you have unprotected sex with us. And I reminded them that they will be stuck paying for 18 years of child support if they aren't careful. All of the sudden, a lot of them didn't think bbfs was so cool anymore. One of them goes, "well, i'll just ask them if they are on the pill." And I'm like do you think she has to be honest with you. I'm not saying that a provider would purposely get pregnant from a client to get child support, but it does happen in the regular world, so why would you think that it wouldn't happen in our world? Especially, if you get some lady who is just tired of turning tricks and see's you (the hobbyist) as a way out. So they were kind of dumb-founded when I brought this up. I'm like "didn't think about that one, did you." College degrees and all of that, and they couldn't put two and two together.

    So anyways, be safe and practice safe sex, ladies.

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    Hell, yes, it's a concern. There're always the clients who ask for bare this or that ... I don't know what makes them think that they're immune. And you're right, carriers don't always show symptoms. Lovelyme mentioned fingers can transmit disease --- it freaks me out when a client licks or spits on his fingers and tries to touch me bare there --- nooo! Use dental dams, prophylactics, heck even use medical gloves especially if you're doing something extra special, lol. On top of being safe, keep healthy --- exercise and take supplements, shore up your immune system.

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    Default Re: Escorts: do you worry about std risks such as Herpes virus shedding?

    I'm a dancer.But even I worry.I work in a semi-contact club, and I have been freaked out a bit recently by guys who try to touch me 'there',as folk have said I don't know where their fingers have been. I even caught one guy putting his finger in his mouth as I was doing floorwork-obviously intending to try to touch me once I came back toward him!!
    On reading this post,I am thinking of carrrying alcohol solution and or/alcohol wipes with me in case an arsehole customer ever manages it.
    I know it's not THAT likely that I could catch something like this, but it's certainly not impossible for herpes or warts to be transferred this way, he could have just been playing with his d**k in the toilets for all Iknow.
    I freaked out proper bad a few months ago, a dude had waited until I had my back to him on the floor and literally jumped off the seat and pounced on me ( I think he was trying to lick my ass).
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    I have hand sanitizing gel that I keep in my locker and put ALL over me after and even during work for the same concerns, sugarmouse. :/ I'm more concerned with illnesses like the flu and colds, to be honest, but STD-type stuff concerns me with guys touching me anywhere as well. I wish I could scream at them for being gross, but in Houston, that would mean I'd go hoarse from all the screaming.

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    I always wondered about this myself. How does an escort deal with HSV I or HSV II carriers. Also the whole hobbyists demanding uncovered bjs always brought this to mind. After really reading up on different STDs for school HSV I and II can be on both the mouth, anus, vaginal area, penis balls inner thighs. HSV II mainly shows up below the belt and HSV I pops up around the mouth area but mouth to bj and back can easily transfer it. There are people with herpes on their ear, hands, stomach and other places that people wouldn't think to even look. I saw the most gross picture slide of someone with herpes around their eyes. Also somewhere between 70% of the population has it even though they don't get break outs.

    So alcohol probably would piss people off I imagine but I doubt most guys will say " hey I have herpes can we still kiss?" I also want uncovered bjs thanks! I would think an anti viral wash before playing would be a fair option but what guy really is going to do that? I still can't believe so many seem to demand unprotected sex in any form. Maybe if all the escorts refused then they would have no other option. Still from what I read anyone going against the grain on a review board seems to be attacked and shunned.

    Same thing I wondered if fbsm ladies and gents work with gloves?

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    This is why though I really think that vanilla women who are just out "having fun" casually dating/having sex with several men are more of a risk than we are. *Because* this is our job and our livelihood, we are more concerned about things like this. Im hyper aware of anything that looks unusual about a guy, and not at all afraid/shy to speak up if I think something is wrong...Ive done it. I always use protection for FS, there is no "just this one time" or so drunk and partying and I forget...doesnt happen. Im one of those who do not do CBJ, but all the same... I think that being an escort has me more aware, and I get tested a lot more than a vanilla lady who is just trying to get laid, and only gets tested once a year if at all.
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    Of course it is a risk, but it is a risk when having sex or kissing anyone, ever.

    Herpes is a bitch - both oral and genital herpes are horrible things to have to deal with, but unfortunately, as you have pointed out, they are pretty much impossible to protect against entirely. Not only is it possible to contract the virus from intact skin, but it is also possible to transfer oral to genital and vice-versa. It is also possible to transmit when you are not having an outbreak, and scariest of all, it is possible to be a carrier without having an outbreak, ever. As someone else pointed out, a large percentage of the population already have herpes - and if you consider ORAL herpes, you are up well above 50% of the population. And that is the % that KNOW about it.

    Condoms do not protect you.
    Checking for lesions does not protect you.
    Asking if they have ever had an outbreak (even if they were 100% honest) will not protect you, because they may not know.

    But those same risks come with having sex with anyone, not just a client. It can also come from getting oral herpes through lipsticks, lip balms, etc, which can then be transferred orally.

    Unless you want to live celibate, you are at risk. All you can do is be as safe as possible.
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    ugh the Herpes virus is truly a whore. I've never had an outbreak so I'm not fully sure if I have it or not, but I frequently check out the Research/cure section of a popular herpes forum just to see if they'll approve anything within the next few years! I know there are several trials that are active at the moment, it's just a matter of completing each trial successfully and then having it FDA approved.
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    You can get tested to find out if you have HSV1 or HSV2.

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